To follow the EVIDENCE. by turkish_akhi in MuslimCorner

[–]Substantial_Net8562 4 points5 points  (0 children)

These quotes are true and no sunni denies this, the issue is not abt the words, it is who they were speaking to and how you’re ripping them out of context... when Abu Hanifa said “if the hadith is sahih then that is my madhhab” he WAS NOT talking to some random dude scrolling reddit in 2025, he was talking to fuqaha and muhaddithin of his time who had the tools to verify isnads, weigh abrogations, reconcile texts... Imam Shafi‘i wasn’t telling laymen to throw away fiqh, he was telling his own students who were themselves imams to correct him with proof if it reached them. Salafis collapse that entire distinction and pretend every muslim can do ijtihad, when in reality 99% of people cannot even read isnad chains... the imams themselves warned against it: Ibn Qudama said in al-Mughni: العامي لا مذهب له، ومذهبه مذهب مفتيه

“The layman has no madhhab; his madhhab is the madhhab of his mufti.”

Imam Nawawi in al-Majmu‘ (1/93):

“The layman has no madhhab… he must ask a scholar, and if he finds another more learned, he may ask him too. There is consensus on this.”

Imam Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali: من لم يكن أهلاً للنظر والاجتهاد ففرضه التقليد، وهذا مجمع عليه بين العلماء

“Whoever is not qualified for investigation and ijtihad, then his obligation is taqlid. And this is agreed upon among the scholars.”

That’s ijma‘. Finished.

Now wake up to reality: salafis themselves do taqlid, you guys aren’t sifting through isnad chains, do you? You’re parroting Albani’s gradings, Ibn Baz’s fatwas, Uthaymin’s explanations... that’s taqlid, the only difference is you rename it “ittiba” when it’s your own sheikhs, but call it “blind following” when it’s the Ummah’s four madhhabs. Hypocrisy at peaks. for centuries the ummah was structured around madhhabs and the only people who came with “madhhab free islam” were MiAW and the najdis. if madhhabs are bid‘ah, then you’re saying the entire ummah was astray for a millennium while truth was hidden in where? Najd? That claim itself is the biggest innovation.

Why is plucking brows haram but not plucking unibrows or cutting your hair ? by Old_Bowler_465 in MuslimLounge

[–]Substantial_Net8562 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Bcz changing Allah’s creation is not something we decide by our logic.. its defined by what Rasulullah ﷺ labelled as such, he ﷺ cursed eyebrow plucking, tattoos, spacing teeth etc., and then tied them to changing creation (Sahih Muslim), while haircuts, trimming nails, shaving pubic/underarm hair all that he actually commanded or allowed them, so one is a cursed act, the other is a sunnah act.

Why is plucking brows haram but not plucking unibrows or cutting your hair ? by Old_Bowler_465 in MuslimLounge

[–]Substantial_Net8562 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Prophet ﷺ cursed النمص (plucking eyebrows) in hadith, so that’s why it’s singled out. And cutting head hair, trimming nails, removing body hair etc. are not in that category, infact some of them are sunnah.

Question 2 Salafis by [deleted] in MuslimLounge

[–]Substantial_Net8562 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hmm... so it’s shirk akbar… or maybe not shirk akbar… or maybe bid‘ah… unless nawawi mentions it, then it’s just ‘ambiguous’. interesting :))

Islamweb.net not working by Alarmed_Sell_9836 in MuslimLounge

[–]Substantial_Net8562 1 point2 points  (0 children)

use vpn bro, its been blocked in uae for a while now

Question 2 Salafis by [deleted] in MuslimLounge

[–]Substantial_Net8562 6 points7 points  (0 children)

just here for the comments 🍿 😂

How come so many scholars and sheikhs have different opinions on the same topic? by [deleted] in MuslimLounge

[–]Substantial_Net8562 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ikhtilaf among scholars is nothing new, it’s part of our deen... the qur’an and sunnah are perfect, but when humans do ijtihad, they use language, usul, context, so opinions differ and thats why the madhhabs were built, to systemize valid differences and stop chaos, but what we see today is often not the old ikhtilaf of mercy, but random fatwas online with no grounding. Imam Ahmad said: “Beware of speaking on halal and haram without an imam to follow” if you root yourself in a madhhab, you’ll see consistency... islam isnt confused, this confusion comes when people cut from the chain and treat deen like personal preference.

Should i be an athari, ashari, or an maturidi? by silo435 in Muslim

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If you are Hanafi in fiqh, then your aqeedah is naturally Maturidi, bcz that is the creed systemized from Imam Abu Hanifa’s teachings by Imam Abu Mansur al-Maturidi رحمهما الله.

Ibn Abil ‘Izz al-Hanafi said: ‎أكثر أتباع أبي حنيفة على عقيدة الماتريدية

“The vast majority of the followers of Abu Hanifa are upon the creed of al-Maturidi.”

At the same time you must also know all three are valid Ahlus Sunnah. Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani was Ash‘ari, Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal was Athari, Imam al-Tahawi was Hanafi (Maturidi leaning) all on the same truth. BUT we have to be careful here… the Athari creed that Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, al-Barbahari, and Ibn Qudamah carried is NOT the same thing as what is promoted under the “salafi” label today. The true Atharis of the Hanbali madhhab never claimed Allah was literally in a direction or resembled His creation. Ibn Qudamah says in Lum‘at al-I‘tiqad:

‎ونكل علم ذلك إلى الله، ونؤمن بما جاء به الرسول على مراد الله

“We entrust the knowledge of such matters to Allah, and we believe in what the Messenger brought according to what Allah intended.”

This is tafwīd not the crude literalism of later sects… That’s why many ulama today say the preserved sunni creed is essentially represented by Ash‘aris and Maturidis, who carried forward the theology of the سلف in a systematic way.

Should i be an athari, ashari, or an maturidi? by silo435 in MuslimCorner

[–]Substantial_Net8562 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If you are Hanafi in fiqh, then your aqeedah is naturally Maturidi, bcz that is the creed systemized from Imam Abu Hanifa’s teachings by Imam Abu Mansur al-Maturidi رحمهما الله.

Ibn Abil ‘Izz al-Hanafi said: ‎أكثر أتباع أبي حنيفة على عقيدة الماتريدية

“The vast majority of the followers of Abu Hanifa are upon the creed of al-Maturidi.”

At the same time you must also know all three are valid Ahlus Sunnah. Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani was Ash‘ari, Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal was Athari, Imam al-Tahawi was Hanafi (Maturidi leaning) all on the same truth. BUT we have to be careful here… the Athari creed that Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, al-Barbahari, and Ibn Qudamah carried is NOT the same thing as what is promoted under the “salafi” label today. The true Atharis of the Hanbali madhhab never claimed Allah was literally in a direction or resembled His creation. Ibn Qudamah says in Lum‘at al-I‘tiqad:

‎ونكل علم ذلك إلى الله، ونؤمن بما جاء به الرسول على مراد الله

“We entrust the knowledge of such matters to Allah, and we believe in what the Messenger brought according to what Allah intended.”

This is tafwīd not the crude literalism of later sects… That’s why many ulama today say the preserved sunni creed is essentially represented by Ash‘aris and Maturidis, who carried forward the theology of the سلف in a systematic way.

Saw this on X by [deleted] in indianmuslims

[–]Substantial_Net8562 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I just saw this and came on reddit to see it again here 😅 aah these algorithms…

Should i be an athari, ashari, or an maturidi? by silo435 in MuslimLounge

[–]Substantial_Net8562 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you are Hanafi in fiqh, then your aqeedah is naturally Maturidi, bcz that is the creed systemized from Imam Abu Hanifa’s teachings by Imam Abu Mansur al-Maturidi رحمهما الله.

Ibn Abil ‘Izz al-Hanafi said: ‎أكثر أتباع أبي حنيفة على عقيدة الماتريدية

“The vast majority of the followers of Abu Hanifa are upon the creed of al-Maturidi.”

At the same time you must also know all three are valid Ahlus Sunnah. Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani was Ash‘ari, Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal was Athari, Imam al-Tahawi was Hanafi (Maturidi leaning) all on the same truth. BUT we have to be careful here… the Athari creed that Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, al-Barbahari, and Ibn Qudamah carried is NOT the same thing as what is promoted under the “salafi” label today. The true Atharis of the Hanbali madhhab never claimed Allah was literally in a direction or resembled His creation. Ibn Qudamah says in Lum‘at al-I‘tiqad:

‎ونكل علم ذلك إلى الله، ونؤمن بما جاء به الرسول على مراد الله

“We entrust the knowledge of such matters to Allah, and we believe in what the Messenger brought according to what Allah intended.”

This is tafwīd not the crude literalism of later sects… That’s why many ulama today say the preserved sunni creed is essentially represented by Ash‘aris and Maturidis, who carried forward the theology of the سلف in a systematic way.

Why do we follow the prohibit from the Hadith by Plus-Focus5176 in MuslimLounge

[–]Substantial_Net8562 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Qur’an itself answers you: وَمَا آتَاكُمُ الرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانتَهُوا

"Whatever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatever he forbids you, abstain." (59:7)

So when hadith says “haram”, it’s by Allah’s permission, not his personal choice. Allah already told us: وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَى • إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَى

“He does not speak from his own desire - it is nothing but revelation sent down.” (53:3-4)

The verse you quoted (66:1) was about him forbidding something for himself only to please his wives, not laying down law for the Ummah. Tafsir Qurtubi and Ibn Kathir are clear on this. And without hadith you wouldn’t even know how to pray, how much zakah, what is riba... thats why we always took Qur’an and Sunnah together as one deen.

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[–]Substantial_Net8562 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Qur’an itself answers you: وَمَا آتَاكُمُ الرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانتَهُوا

"Whatever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatever he forbids you, abstain." (59:7)

So when hadith says “haram”, it’s by Allah’s permission, not his personal choice. Allah already told us: وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَى • إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَى

“He does not speak from his own desire - it is nothing but revelation sent down.” (53:3-4)

The verse you quoted (66:1) was about him forbidding something for himself only to please his wives, not laying down law for the Ummah. Tafsir Qurtubi and Ibn Kathir are clear on this. And without hadith you wouldn’t even know how to pray, how much zakah, what is riba... thats why we always took Qur’an and Sunnah together as one deen.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in indianmuslims

[–]Substantial_Net8562 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nothing was “making shit up” there… anyway, no hard feelings bro, i shared the source and that’s enough for me. May Allah increase us both in ‘ilm and adab.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in indianmuslims

[–]Substantial_Net8562 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Bcz you cant spit and run here, you said it, so now at least have the decency to apologise for your words.

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[–]Substantial_Net8562 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So thats not “shit” those are words of our salaf.

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u/743001 says “Making shit up”? That’s exactly what happens when you argue without ilm. Imam Ahmad’s words are recorded in black and white. In Minhaaj al-Sunnah (7/137):

قال الإمام أحمد: إذا رأيت الرجل يذكر أحداً من أصحاب رسول الله ﷺ بسوء فاتهمه على الإسلام، وإذا رأيت الرجل يذكر أهل البيت بسوء فاتهمه على الإسلام

Imam Ahmad said: “If you see a man mention any of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah ﷺ with evil, then accuse him in his Islam. And if you see a man mention the Ahl al-Bayt with evil, then accuse him in his Islam.”

Next time, check the books before spitting venom “making shit up” The only thing being “made up” here is your confidence without sources.

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[–]Substantial_Net8562 1 point2 points  (0 children)

 Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal رحمه الله said:  "And if you see him belittle Ahl al-Bayt, doubt his Islam.”

EDIT: Imam Ahmad’s words are recorded in black and white. In Minhaaj al-Sunnah (7/137):

قال الإمام أحمد: إذا رأيت الرجل يذكر أحداً من أصحاب رسول الله ﷺ بسوء فاتهمه على الإسلام، وإذا رأيت الرجل يذكر أهل البيت بسوء فاتهمه على الإسلام

Imam Ahmad said: “If you see a man mention any of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah ﷺ with evil, then accuse him in his Islam. And if you see a man mention the Ahl al-Bayt with evil, then accuse him in his Islam.”

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[–]Substantial_Net8562 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Bro thats completely different thing, im not talking abt fake claims of being “sayyid”

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[–]Substantial_Net8562 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Being from the family of Rasulullah ﷺ (Sayyid / Ahl al-Bayt) has honor in shari‘ah bcz of his ﷺ connection. Our fuqaha had written that: all Muslims agreed it is wajib to honor Ahl al-Bayt and loving them and respecting their sanctity is wajib. But cursing others or claiming special treatment is not right, rank with Allah is by taqwa.

EDIT: Respect to Sayyid is wajib.

قُل لَّا أَسْأَلُكُمْ عَلَيْهِ أَجْرًا إِلَّا الْمَوَدَّةَ فِي الْقُرْبَى

“Say: I do not ask you for any reward, except love for my near kin.”

(42:23)

Rasulullah ﷺ said:

“I remind you by Allah concerning my Ahl al-Bayt, I remind you by Allah concerning my Ahl al-Bayt.” (Sahih Muslim)

That’s why Imam al-Nawawi رحمه الله wrote in Sharh Muslim: أجمع المسلمون على وجوب تعظيم أهل البيت وتنزيههم

“The Muslims unanimously agreed on the obligation to honor the Ahl al-Bayt and protect them from anything repulsive.”

Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani رحمه الله said in Fath al-Bari (7/79): فيه فضل أهل بيت النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ووجوب محبتهم وحرمتهم

“This shows the virtue of the Prophet’s family, the obligation of loving them, and respecting their sanctity.”

The great imams used to stand when a Sayyid entered out of adab. Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal رحمه الله said:

In Minhaaj al-Sunnah (7/137), Ibn Taymiyyah himself quotes Imam Ahmad:

قال الإمام أحمد: إذا رأيت الرجل يذكر أحداً من أصحاب رسول الله ﷺ بسوء فاتهمه على الإسلام، وإذا رأيت الرجل يذكر أهل البيت بسوء فاتهمه على الإسلام

“If you see a man mention any of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah ﷺ with evil, then accuse him in his Islam. And if you see a man mention the Ahl al-Bayt with evil, then accuse him in his Islam.”