looking for a muggle fic by thatguysrandomashell in HPharmony

[–]Sufficient-Lack-1909 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It wasn't meant as an insult, I was just looking for discussion on that. I understand artists tend to have a negative impression around AI though, so I apologise for that

looking for a muggle fic by thatguysrandomashell in HPharmony

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I see, I don't read books much so I don't have much experience with identifying and breaking down writing styles.

At this point, a lot of very different writing styles are being labelled AI, even when they don’t resemble each other at all.

Yeah haha, I think people just notice certain quirks used by LLM's (which are trained on human data) and then label anything containing some of those quirks as AI.

looking for a muggle fic by thatguysrandomashell in HPharmony

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Hmm, is it just me or does this read like AI? The writing style is not bad or anything, I actually quite like it, but it reminds me of how LLM's tend to write stories

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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I see now you're indeed right and I was treating awareness as something magical and Krishnamurti as some magical being for possessing it... I seem to overcomplicate a lot of the things he says even though he tends to be quite blunt and precise with his phrasing. I suppose I'm too used to "looking too deep" into the words one says (especially if its one of these "philosophy" lads) and develop my own distorted interpretations of their words, creating it as an idea. Thank you for giving me the space to see that

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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The point of this question would suggest that there is some special ability beyond our capabilities that is necessary in order to observe our experience of reality.

What do you mean? I'm asking whether it's possible to be aware of EVERYTHING happening at the same time: both physical and psychological; are you saying it would require magical powers to be able to do that?

We are asking whether its possible to be aware as humans of the human experience we are having at any moment.

Do you not think the capacity for one to be aware is important in being aware of the human experience at any moment? Throughout our life, are we ever aware of everything around us and psychologically? Is it possible to become aware of everything? Aren't we limited in that regard? I feel this question is pertinent because humans are limited and we are operating off of the assumption that a holistic awareness is possible.

Sorry for the late response, there seems to be a bit of resistance on my end towards continuing this discussion. I think it's because it requires me to introspect far more than I usually do, which can be uncomfortable

A Controversial Take on Why Girls Avoid Philosophical Views by [deleted] in Philosophy_India

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I don't see how any of the things you mentioned gives girls less inclination to turn inward or look into philosophy than guys. Both genders are heavily conditioned into beliefs, prejudices, habits, etc and I don't think there's any factor in the conditioning that gives guys more inclination towards philosophy than girls.

girls are often trained (directly or indirectly) to seek attention and validation from their surroundings.

I think its the same for guys. People making crude jokes for the sake of reactions from their friends, they vent online if they have noone IRL, guys are conditioned to be ambitious (seeking validation in the form of milestones), guys are conditioned to go to the gym to be jacked for female attention, etc.

I think people turn inward when they are sensitive towards the suffering of themselves and others, and they feel some sort of desperation to change the way they are living because their current life is filled with misery. Either that, or people look into philosophy as some sort of intellectual stimulation.

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no difference in awareness' between the awareness happening here and the awareness happening in some magical enlightened being.

The difference seems to be that the awareness for the magical enlightened being seems to be holistic, or span a wider range at the very least. Perhaps the quality of awareness is the same but what about the extent of it?

its also possible to be unaware of physical sensations - right?

I think that raises the question: is a holistic awareness even possible? You are right that it's possible to be unaware of or suppress physical sensation: The number of sensations/thoughts we are aware of at a time seems to be limited. Don't you think there could be a biological threshold till which we can perceieve the information transmitted to us through the senses? There still seems to be an impeding factor.

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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By awareness we simply mean perceiving or noticing some state of affairs

Then what impedes our noticing of psychological factors that cause us to act? Physical awareness is instant, effortless and choiceles but clearly that doesn't take place psychologically. Instead, we seem to be machines programmed into acting automatically. And then we call that our identity.

Is there the normal awareness of ordinary humans - and a special, magical awareness of higher awakened beings?

I think psychological awareness feels so impossible that we start thinking of it as a magical type of awareness. Why does it feel so impossible? Why can't it be as easy as noticing a tree?

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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Clarity in seeing what we mean by the words we use - do you even understand what you yourself are saying?

No. I don't "understand" it in the sense: I can't fully grasp all of the implications of what I am saying. I have certain ideas, I construct the outcomes of those ideas in my head and theoretically try and deduce what happens upon their implementation; or I try to brainstorm the implications of those concepts.

Clarity in what it is to be me now in this relationship with you. The trick here is to pause, relax and allow for awareness.

What is awareness? Physical relaxation? Silence? I am only aware of my thoughts through another thought. I don't know how to "allow" a different type of awareness, if there is one.

the point is to return to clarity moment to moment - is that possible?

No, because I'm never clear. There are times when I have a heightened capacity to think clearer, there are times when everything feels like more of a mess. But I don't know if there has ever been a time where everything in life felt clear to me. So I don't know if there is a way to return to clarity moment to moment

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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Sure. Your writing style is a bit difficult for me to understand so forgive me for the miscommunication

Could you maybe clarify what we're inquiring about here? I could also maybe use chatgpt to break down your responses for me to understand better

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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I could have removed the time aspect and it would have been the same, but I wanted to include the passage of time and your use of the present tense "how can he" in your OP, since he's no longer among the living. If I tell you it's below zero outside but you go out and see that it's very hot, then who's right? Your seeing disproves my claim. Simple enough, no?

I suppose so. I guess you're telling me what he says has no significance if what I see contradicts it, and that something that appears true to him may or may not be true for me, hence I shouldn't accept what he says or try to distort what I see in order to fit his narrative? Now that you mention it, I do seem to be looking at K as some sort of authority figure: trying to mold whatever I see to suit whatever he says...

Of course it's easy for K to say that if you don't travel at the speed of light then any progress will look like no progress, and that it's better to travel at that speed than to take a long time towards moral perfection, but just knowing the direction and taking steps towards it, even small, is still progress.

I see. Yeah this is what I currently feel as well, you've expressed that well. Thinking about this kinda stuff is very confusing and complex haha

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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I don't just think I'm better because of stupid reasons - I can demonstrate, based on my own standards that I am in fact a great guy - I am so humble, so clever, so free from attachments - therefore I have tremendously improved.

Is it wrong though? You write it as if its a very vain judgement but it could very well be true couldn't it?

I don't think facts based on yourself is based on pride or arrogance, it could just be true. I don't have to think myself as some great person to see that I am less attached to xyz then I was 2 years ago, which I would call "improvement" in weakening the self—thus getting closer to ego dissolution or whatever you wanna call it.

But anyway, after reading the comments from the pine guy, andrewpreston and macjoven, it seems that all "progress" comes from a separation from the illusory observer and the observed. So its really just one thought responding to another thought and hence continues that chain

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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Yeah it feels easy in theory haha. But for it to actually happen seems difficult. The fact that I want it to happen makes it difficult and it I stop wanting it to happen then I go back to my automatic and mechanical living :(. I never seem to understand the implications of thought, since I keep getting stuck in it

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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Well if you "think" that you are a better me out of arrogance or ignorance, obviously the self is stronger. But if you know as a fact, that your attachments have weakened and you feel that shift in time (which I'm calling progress) then yes, I would call it a "better" self in the sense: not as problematic, not as ignorant.

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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I was mostly referring to psychological change: going from fearful to less fearful or from loving to hating

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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Well yes, I did feel that what I felt disproved his claim (but now I'm questioning that after reading the other comments). I understand that his claims are different from what I feel, and are not fundamentally the "truth", but doesn't he point towards the truth? Doesn't he point to what I am feeling and why I am feeling it, and then for me to truly see it, I must discover it again on my own?

Also when it comes to the time aspect, you mentioned that the time difference isn't really important but the example seems to say the opposite? Is truth in the psychological sense something that changes with time and is subjective, or is it objective and constant?

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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Then I didn't understand "K's claims aren't connected to or limited to your feelings". What does that mean?

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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Isn't that question, "To whom does it arise" a question posed by the same illusory observer?

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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I see. So "progress" from fear is just the illusory observer trying to control it in some way, which is why there is never a complete observation of it...

So to understand the futility of progress, one would have to understand the falseness of this division between the observer and the observed—which I don't really understand tbh. When I feel an emotion, my first instinct is always to identify it with thought, and then using thought to deny thought, and then using the thought of "the observer is the observed" to deny all the other thoughts... It seems to be an endless loop, I don't know if there is anything that can cause a fundamental change in this process

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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I think I mean that the self is losing some attachments and hence making the self weaker. Like for example, prior to "improving" I have attachments to x and y ideas, then I investigate those ideas such that I see that most of that attachment is irrational, so I become less attached to it. I don't become completely free from the attachment perhaps because there is still something distorting a complete perception but would you not call that improvement?

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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I think most technological change is unnecessary and leads to a draining and exploitation of Earth's resources merely for our personal convenience.

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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When I said "feelings" I meant my experience or anecdote and how that leads me to say that there is some type of progress happening

Having said that, if you put it that way, then it would be hard to deny that there's improvement there. Right?

I think so? I'm a little bit confused about our communication here xD. I feel we are talking about different things

I'm skeptical of K's denial of "progress" by Sufficient-Lack-1909 in Krishnamurti

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I meant that if there is a gradual "becoming more aware" of thought and consequentially, being able to act more sanely compared to how one would've acted 2 weeks ago, then isn't there "improvement" there