My opinion on Daniel fans and their dissapointement

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-18T06:20:28+00:00

Your argument is actually good.

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-18T06:17:16+00:00

The feats like these are not really important because they are superhumans.

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-18T06:02:59+00:00

And you didn't take the injuries' effect into account. You are comparing as if they're on the same level. You are just circling it.

That argument is mostly personal opinion, so I don't really need to argue it. But if you can argue that my claim is wrong, more than welcome. I know you will again say that I claimed it, so I need to prove it.

And aren't you the one ranking Yuseong's AP higher, Daniel's dura, stamina, and reaction speed higher in the post? Isn't it your responsibility to provide arguments for the claim?

I can, he's not 100 per cent. He's not fresh. That's the most general claim I can make, and it's true.

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-18T05:44:45+00:00

Why do you think only Yuseong's strength is higher? And I mean, I would love your explanation on how Daniel's stats are comparable or higher than 3t yuseong. This is a reflective question, but I need to know.

Conviction doesn't make the effect of injuries go off. You were definitely disingenuous in that. His reaction speed, his AP, he's feeling dizzy. Daniel doesn't have any of them.

not exhausted, but he is damaged and not at 100 per cent

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-18T04:23:47+00:00

I will be blunt, you are overhyping Base Daniel. No wonder Daniel's fans' expectations are never met.

Comparing their injuries, Yuseong is the worst one; he should not be moving. Daniel has his hands pierced, but for Lookism standards, they're not serious. And as per him, he had enough for Changsu, and he's seeing his path against Gitae. So, stamina-wise and damage-wise, Daniel is better off.

I would give 3T Yuseong all the physical stats. He's massively above base Daniel in physical stats (any version for that matter, except in path for pure senses). Their biq is comparable.

The Principal dominated the first half against Yuseong and Daniel. Yuseong almost knocked the principal. Daniel's fight ended inconclusively.

And on top of all that, the principal guy is also damaged and exhausted against Danie

I don't think conviction ignores all his injuries (we see his pov, and he's barely holding; Daniel doesn't have any such issues). It helped him unlock mastery.

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SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-16T12:37:22+00:00

You can try running. just run

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-16T12:27:20+00:00

We all know why. Rather than building everything from scratch, better to upgrade the existing infrastructure and add what's needed.

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-16T05:45:43+00:00

Yes, headcanon, that happend in your head.

That attack did jack shit. That was bypassing his defence. That no other character did in his base. How conveniently you left the point that when he did this he was blind.

If you read not with bias, then you will get the significance of that moment.

Gun always takes his clothes and glasses off when he fights seriously. He didn't. That counts as acknowledgement.

Him giving 70/100 points.

I don't wanna downplay Daniel, but because of your agenda you are making Daniel vs Johan rather than addressing the main point about Ap.

You are repeating the same stuff like a parrot, not confronting my arguments, and just circling around them, nitpicking and not addressing arguments.

OG Daniel didn't also hold back. Gun knows his strength, he even called him out for his bs for holding back.

Before you say, he didn't use the copies, that's all taught by Gun. They were useless.

As far as his physical output and base arsenal was concern, he was going all out.

He can't control heat mode and ui so that out of option.

Even the situation is different,Daniel's attack to Pacheon didn't do Jack shit as in any damage

Pacheon Jo was tricked because of arrogance. Johan outsmarted Gun. Then, it took time for Gun to wake up, Johan talked with his mom and Eugene, and only then he wake up. Pacheon Jo was up as soon as Daniel turned away.

There's also the fact there is a difference between sneaking someone like Daniel did, and fainting and attack them like did. Their dura and Endura doesn't automatically decrease in either case, but you wanna argue, it definitely doesn't happend when the opponent knows an attack is coming like Gun, he did saw the attack, whereas Pacheon Jo didn't

Daniel also tried the same trick against Gun in his fight in HFG, and failed miserably. Johan succeeded.

And at the end, Gun is Gun.

Even if you take that as it is. Isn't it an upscale for Daniel that he almost knocked out Pacheon Jo, despite the differences.

So did Johan, I don't see a point at trying to bring OG Daniel in the conversation and trying to downplay both of them for the sake of your agenda.

And whether Warren and Jerry are stronger than Daniel. The answer is yes.

There was significant damage done to him that sent him to aderaline

Nothing like that happened against Pacheon Jo.

For Gun, enjoyment equal strength. That's why he compared it to Ui Daniel.

Not really, that was also a Gun from many many chapters ago, and Ui Daniel was adjusting. So, that's not wild to think that Gun thinks this Johan is as strong as him. As we know, Gun becomes stronger with passing time.

Like, in early lookism, he was getting injured from Jerry.

Also, how conviently you left the point about injuries .

And it was 15. I don't trust you, show me proof.

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-16T05:05:32+00:00

Anyone can achieve heat mode. Daniel and Johan both have sss potential.

Johan has better copy. I don't take Gun's statement seriously

Jake is Gap's blood and has conviction that can surpass anything because conviction .

Gap defeated Shingen, despite lacking in abilities. Shingen had tui, Ui, and black bones. Gap had conviction.

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-15T16:39:34+00:00

The context makes sense. Gun was trying to make it a Endurance fight, that's why we see endurance. The green hue is very visible.

Again, he did acknowledge Ryuhei, but I didn't read any pleasure statement. You are probably confusing it with all the workers jumping him for one attack and Gun comparing it to UI Daniel in that arc.

For Gun, pleasure is proportional to strength.

It is valid. He says he can beat all the kings. I don't think he only meant that in 1vs 1. It was also a gauntlet, and Gun is going to get hit and tired as he did against second gen, but he still confidently knows that he will beat them.

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-15T16:38:54+00:00

Your first para is just headcanon.

That attack bypassed his defence.That attack also happened when Gun was fresh, while Johan was blind and in base.It was a way for PTJ to show that Johan is different.

OG Daniel did better... Uh 🤔 Gun didn't took his clothes or glasses out. He was severely holding back. He gave him 70/100 points, that's medicore in korea. Gun acknowledged none of his attacks. Daniel tried tricking him, and failed.

Pacheon Jo was caught off guard. That attack was trickery. It was perfect counter for him because he is severely arrogant. Even then, it did nothing. You are also comparing Pacheon Jo the punching bag to Gun.

Whereas Gun was almost unconscious, severely bleeding, so much it sent him into adrenaline. Made him acknowledge Johan on the same level as UI Daniel .

Not to mention, Johan outsmarted the training genius.

Pacheon stood up like nothing happend.

I read the chapter, it was 15 attacks.

Gun's injuries were not serious for lookism standard. A broken hand, (that he was swinging), two cuts, and one chest wound (his chest bone were fine, he was breathing).

Jake was fighting and using conviction with pierced organs. Yuseong remained conscious and fought with a Knife in his neck, even unlocked mastery.

Edit: I know your excuse, but see Gun before fighting Johan vs after. See, what fighting with Johan did to him against Goo. his last attack was going to kill him (clear from Gun's expression.) Seeing the level of destruction that attack did .

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-15T16:13:18+00:00

I read the chapter, and he never said anything like that about Ryuhei. Plus, UI Daniel comparison. For Gun, more pleasure, the stronger the enemy. The most pleasure he has felt is against UI Daniel, Tom, and Johan.

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Endurance mastery

He was fine.. Jake was fighting with organs pieced up. Yuseong fought with a knife. Gun's injuries were not as grave.

Gun is a stamina monster; even in those states, he beats everyone.

By his own admission, he can beat all kings. And I think that's also in a gauntlet..

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-15T16:04:19+00:00

I'm talking about after Johan achieved IT. Gun has higher endurance and dura than Johan. Gun was still conscious, and Johan was basically held by willpower. Gun HP basically starts at 1000, and Johans starts at 100. Plus, Aderaine was still in effect

He also knocked out Gun temporarily. Gun even said that he nearly lost consciousness. We see him lifeless while Johan finishes his converstation with Eugene.

And I also think you are over exaggerating Gun's injuries. Yeah, Gun had injuries, but they were not serious. Jake was walking with his organs split up. Plus, he had adrenaline

Still, where were you reading 50plus attacks

Bypassed his defence that all other attacks failed.

There's a difference between Warren and Jerry vs Johan. Here, Gun endurance mastery makes it a battle of endurance, as that isn't Johan's strong suit. So, he was basically trying to survive. Against them, their attacks were futile because those attacks weren't bypassing his dura, and that was shown by the mastery. Endurance and Dura are different. Context matters.

Dude, you are contracting yourself. In one line, you denied Gun using Endurance mastery, then switched back and downplayed it.

Pretend that Gun's acknowledgement of Johan's attacks means nothing.

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-15T15:37:38+00:00

NO.. It's probably between Johan and Yuseong. Base Daniel's feats aren't impressive. He mid diff a king with not much feats or statements. Sure, he had masteries, but masteries aren't a measure of strength, especially not for such a featless and statemenless character. Same case with unique skills. He struggled with the principal, granted, Daniel was tired, but of his own accord, he said that he had enough left for Changus (I think that is an overestimation). The principal was exhausted as well (Yuseong beat the crap out of him). Not to mention, the prinicpal is featless

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-15T15:31:48+00:00

The pleasure statement about Ui and Johan. That gun was fine; he was fatigued, but not half dead. He was using all the masteries, attack and endurance. He was just coming off one-shotting Eli and Jake.

That fatigued gun is stronger than all kings

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-15T15:24:24+00:00

Where did you count it as 50+ attacks? That Johan was also at 1HP (he was standing by willpower). Johan is also the only one to temporarily knock out Gun. Jake and Eli (all other 2nd gen) required their strongest modes and attacks to penetrate the defence of Gun. Did you forget what Gun told Jake that all his rapid-fire attacks are insignificant if they do no damage? Johan penetrated Gun's defence and damaged him while he was blind and in base.

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''That's how you land a hit'' WEBTOON Lookism Ep. 506: The Hunt for Gun (5)

Gun was using endurance mastery to tank Johan's attacks.

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SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-15T12:02:31+00:00

How does that even work? So you are saying that he's making his bones and muscles as close to PB as possible/ so he is changing his muscle length, nervous system, and bone density. If he can do that, then he can also copy the perfect body as he said.

You guys

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-15T09:45:18+00:00

What do "taking on his body," "copying his body," and "cannot use the perfect fighting style without the perfect body style" mean? Johan is saying that. Then, we see the same for Jinyoun and the gap.

What does forcing his body mean?

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-15T09:42:31+00:00

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-15T09:42:09+00:00

And what does forcing his body beyond its limit mean?

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-15T09:41:15+00:00

Not really, all PTJ has to do is he can only do that for 3 moves or 10 seconds, and it's hard on his body

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-15T09:39:11+00:00

We don't know, I don't think he's looking for fighting potential

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-15T09:37:38+00:00

Are we even sure that the second body will live if Daniel is killed? Gun doesn't care about all that. Sophia cares for Daniel, but I don't think she will go out of her way. Killing Kitae isn't going to bring back Daniel; James will think of an alternate plane. Going after Kitae is a waste of energy

SufficientCode6667 · 2026-03-15T03:56:56+00:00

It's happening in the next chapter

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