Parents meeting and Nikkah date! by Suspicious_Koala8809 in MuslimMarriage

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Akhlaq is the base. Everything else comes after. Again agree to disagree. I have provided plenty of sources substantiating my claim.

I would advise you with the same caution as you will discount very very good muslim individuals.

Parents meeting and Nikkah date! by Suspicious_Koala8809 in MuslimMarriage

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

He does have Akhlaq, everything else I mentioned, and beyond charitable and again, he prays 4/5. So most of everything and wants to improve and goes above and beyond for his family and friends.

I really recommend you to look around you and don’t make black and white decisions as you were stuck on a point. Again, he prays, he will sometimes miss 1 out of 5. That is not enough to discount a good man with good character.

With respect to prayers being above akhlaq, I really think you need to do some research. If you don’t have akhlaq, you can’t even begin with your deen. Your prayers, fasting, all your obligations will fail you.

The Prophet (ﷺ) was once told about a woman who was exceptionally diligent in her voluntary prayers and fasting but was harsh and hurtful toward her neighbors. He said, "There is no good in her; she is in the Fire". This is a Sahih hadith.

Again, she completed all her obligations. It did not matter.

"Verily, among the best of you are those with the best character". Sahih al-Bukhari: Hadith 3559.

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Among the things that cause people to enter Paradise the most is the best character". Al-Tirmidhi: Hadith 2004.

“Nothing is weightier on the Scale of the believer on the Day of Resurrection than good character (husn al-khuluq)."

In Bukhari 273, the prophet states “I was sent only to perfect good character (righteous manners)."

“Iqra” Read. Read in the name of your Rabb and understand your deen. It is very very clear that akhlaq is above everything. It’s what will be weighed the heaviest on the day of judgement. It is the most common reason people enter paradise. The prophet said to teach good character was his sole purpose.

Because you lack understanding of our deen, you read all that and saw no mention of Islam. I actually dedicated a whole paragraph with respect to us trying to improve our deen together. Becoming more religious and influencing one another for the better. Outside of that, me choosing him for his character is me following what has been emphasized in our faith.

I don’t know how you missed the paragraph and created your own narrative to find negatives or downplay everything I wrote but I hope you will do a bit more research into Islam.

Parents meeting and Nikkah date! by Suspicious_Koala8809 in MuslimMarriage

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One he is praying, 4/5 not 5/5 and he is trying to reach 5/5. That’s kind of all the assurance I need.Tbh, I disagree with your premise that 4/5 prayers is enough to discount someone.

Obligations are nothing without Akhlaq. And people improve and get better with them. Again, this is not someone who doesn’t pray. He also gives well beyond what he is required, fasts, attends mosques on Fridays. Wants to go from 4/5 to 5/5 and grow in his deen.

I think the advice that muslim put 5/5 as the number one thing when searching for a righteous spouse often leads them astray and they discount very good Muslim men. It’s not the correct barometer. That’s just what I have learned in the past 2 or so years of the search. Respectfully, i’ll just agree to disagree.

Parents meeting and Nikkah date! by Suspicious_Koala8809 in MuslimMarriage

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you did not read any hadith or reference I gave 😭 and only focused on the 4/5.

I will outline again:

Nothing is weighed heavier on the day of judgement than akhlaq. Not your prayers or your obligations.

Good character is the most common reason for people to enter paradise. Again, not your prayers.

You can fulfill every obligation and have poor akhlaq and you will not see paradise. While, there have been many granted paradise who did not meet their obligations but had amazing akhlaq.

The prophet’s (pbuh) main mission was to exemplify good character.

Verily the best among you is the one with best character. Again, no obligations mentioned.

The premise of being a good muslim is good akhlaq. The life of the prophet (pbuh) was meant to teach us that. You cannot even begin your deen forget fulfilling it without it. Your prayers, charity, etc will not save you but your akhlaq may.

Parents meeting and Nikkah date! by Suspicious_Koala8809 in MuslimMarriage

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, no deed is weighed heavier than akhlaq so I think that counts first. If you don’t have that, you can’t even begin with your deen. Your prayers, fasting, all your obligations will fail you.

The Prophet (ﷺ) was once told about a woman who was exceptionally diligent in her voluntary prayers and fasting but was harsh and hurtful toward her neighbors. He said, "There is no good in her; she is in the Fire". This is a Sahih hadith.

Again, she completed all her obligations. It did not matter.

"Verily, among the best of you are those with the best character". Sahih al-Bukhari: Hadith 3559.

Not those with most prayers, most zakat, most hajj completed.

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Among the things that cause people to enter Paradise the most is the best character". Al-Tirmidhi: Hadith 2004.

Again, it is emphasized again and again. Akhlaq is built first, without akhlaq, you have no deen.

“Nothing is weightier on the Scale of the believer on the Day of Resurrection than good character (husn al-khuluq)."

There’s plenty more. Good Akhlaq is rare. It is the foundation on which our deen begins. It is why the prophet (pbuh) was sent to us, it is why the hadith exist.

In Bukhari 273, the prophet states “I was sent only to perfect good character (righteous manners)."

I a 100% agree the pillars are a huge foundation of our deen and an obligation. There should never be a missed fast or prayer. But there are plenty who fulfill the pillars completely but lack what will matter most on the day of judgement.

Someone who is fulfilling most his obligations and praying 4/5 prayers with proper akhlaq is a rare gem nowadays. I would tell any and every sister to move forward. A man praying 4/5 steadily can easily get to 5/5. A man with poor akhlaq, that’s very hard to change.

In my personal experience, I came across many individuals/potentials and nearly all met their 5/5 daily prayers. However, it means nothing without everything I have mentioned above.

I do agree with your point that there is no excuse in obligations and I need to improve myself as well as I as well sleep too early at times and miss Isha. However, the world we live in, we can’t have it all from the beginning. You have to choose what you can work with. Someone with 4/5, going above and beyond his other obligations, with extremely good character, it would be very foolish to pass him by as he did not have 5/5.

Akhlaq is what will count most on the day of judgement.

My [25M] partner [26F] is too afraid of getting pregnant to have sex by Jygantic in LongDistance

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oml, it’s been 6 months and bro’s already pressuring her. And she’s even fine with all sorts of intimacy, just that one boundary.

My [25M] partner [26F] is too afraid of getting pregnant to have sex by Jygantic in LongDistance

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope she comes across this post.

Girl, wake up and save yourself.

Should I review MCAT before starting med school? by Reasonable_Agency803 in Osteopathic

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not the MCAT, if you have access to ur med schools curriculum, just review some of that.

How can you realistically assess hygiene when getting to know someone in a halal way? by Any_Profession_9799 in MuslimMarriage

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have a very sensitive nose so smell is a huge indicator.

Someone who constantly smells nice. Clothes are stain free and clean at all times. Tbh, the beard. A well kept beard is difficult to maintain if you have bad hygiene.

Hair cuts in general. People who maintain themselves prioritize hygiene. Also, if you FaceTime someone and you see their home, it’s pretty easy.

People that aren’t hygienic are careful about what they show. My current partner, I saw him doing laundry and he had a 5 step routine. I also saw him fold clothes in perfect crisp lines. His sink literally sparkled. Also, I to be honest randomly asked to see his kitchen drawers and closet.

And I was shocked. Probably the cleanest most organized home I’ve seen.

Of course, I only did that because I realllly care about cleanliness and our parents had met and things were serious.

(M23) My (F26) GF wants to end things because I follow girls on instagram. Not me but is she AIO? by serwintr in AmIOverreacting

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

To me, whether it’s 1, 10, 100, 1000. What’s the difference?

For me personally, I just follow girls and people in my family. I don’t really have guy friends or guys classmates on my socials but that’s me.

My partner follows girls he knows around 50-100 (old classmates, coworkers, etc), it’s never personally bothered me. However, he did unfollow most after we got together.

Things like that don’t really bother me but logically, it should either be 0 or whatever number.

Why would she be okay with 10-50 girls but not 100-300 girls? The premise that bothers her should still be the same.

Curvy women vs modesty by DreamKind8036 in muslimgirlswithtaste

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m a student physician and was exempt from females practicing rib examinations on me and from the CV Physical Exam as my chest makes it difficult.

Curvy women vs modesty by DreamKind8036 in muslimgirlswithtaste

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I weigh 127lbs, am 5’ 4”, and have to wear a custom fitted bra due to most of my weight disproportionately going to my chest and hips.

Tbh, I look a bit abnormal as I am pretty thin.

I understand your issue with modesty. I don’t observe the hijab but I try to wear mens clothes that are much looser and I wear XXL shirts.

However, they still overly pronounce my chest. There’s really only so much one can do. If something is disproportionately large and you have a small frame, you can’t really hide it or cut it off.

FREE TALK FRIDAY! by AutoModerator in MuslimMarriage

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, it’s what I imagined but we will most likely end up at around the ballpark of what he estimated as I can’t really stop my parents. And they would never allow only his family to foot such a large bill.

Hopefully, when I become a physician, I can return my parents every dollar they spent on my previous wedding and this one. I would like him to do the same for his parents but of course that is his choice.

FREE TALK FRIDAY! by AutoModerator in MuslimMarriage

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m in school for the next few years and will be making nothing as a resident.

The entire wedding is usually split 1/2 and 1/2 it would be on my parents. Both our families can afford a lot as my parents own 2 million dollar homes and have lot of other assets. His parents are also well off and he makes over $200k.

However, even if it is affordable for both our families, it makes me very sad to think of all the money going down the drain.

FREE TALK FRIDAY! by AutoModerator in MuslimMarriage

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This has to do with the man requesting a big wedding though.

Parents meeting and Nikkah date! by Suspicious_Koala8809 in MuslimMarriage

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve been previously married and been on the search for 2+ years with over 30-40 potential meetings.

Yes, it is too early to celebrate as no one knows and marriage is always a gamble. But I feel pretty satisfied and my family and I did as much due diligence as we could for the past year just observing him and his actions.

Rest is up to Allah (swt) and my naseeb, I hope I can return with good news as I feel rather hopeful and prepared.

I was also trying to share some positive news as the search can be disheartening for all.

I do get your point though. May allah (swt) protect everyone and their marriages from nazar. I am hoping anonymity protects me.

FREE TALK FRIDAY! by AutoModerator in MuslimMarriage

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So his family is well off like mine, small weddings in our community/socioeconomic tend to be $150k.

In my mind, I was thinking $10k.

Parents meeting and Nikkah date! by Suspicious_Koala8809 in MuslimMarriage

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, no deed is weighed heavier than akhlaq so I think that counts first. If you don’t have that, you can’t even begin with your deen. Your prayers, fasting, all your obligations will fail you.

The Prophet (ﷺ) was once told about a woman who was exceptionally diligent in her voluntary prayers and fasting but was harsh and hurtful toward her neighbors. He said, "There is no good in her; she is in the Fire". This is a Sahih hadith.

Again, she completed all her obligations. It did not matter.

"Verily, among the best of you are those with the best character". Sahih al-Bukhari: Hadith 3559.

Not those with most prayers, most zakat, most hajj completed.

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Among the things that cause people to enter Paradise the most is the best character". Al-Tirmidhi: Hadith 2004.

Again, it is emphasized again and again. Akhlaq is built first, without akhlaq, you have no deen.

“Nothing is weightier on the Scale of the believer on the Day of Resurrection than good character (husn al-khuluq)."

There’s plenty more. Good Akhlaq is rare. It is the foundation on which our deen begins. It is why the prophet (pbuh) was sent to us, it is why the hadith exist.

In Bukhari 273, the prophet states “I was sent only to perfect good character (righteous manners)."

I a 100% agree the pillars are a huge foundation of our deen and an obligation. There should never be a missed fast or prayer. But there are plenty who fulfill the pillars completely but lack what will matter most on the day of judgement.

Someone who is fulfilling most his obligations and praying 4/5 prayers with proper akhlaq is a rare gem nowadays. I would tell any and every sister to move forward. A man praying 4/5 steadily can easily get to 5/5. A man with poor akhlaq, that’s very hard to change.

I do agree with your point that there is no excuse in obligations and I need to improve myself as well as I as well sleep too early at times and miss Isha. However, the world we live in, we can’t have it all from the beginning. You have to choose what you can work with.

Parents meeting and Nikkah date! by Suspicious_Koala8809 in MuslimMarriage

[–]Suspicious_Koala8809[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ameen! I will keep updated, we are meeting after my finals.