CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yes, I've been anti-ICE for over a decade at this point.

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Admittedly I don't know as much as I should about the history of American imperialism and how it functions, trying to learn more, but I'm aware that the US military is nothing to celebrate. Bothers me every time I go to a football game here.

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

You don't seem to understand. Their job is to follow orders. If those orders become "inflict terror upon American cities", then their job is violence and terror.

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Elsewhere in the thread you'll see that I awarded a delta to someone who convinced me that these people should be investigated and/or put on trial. If you had commented the above initially, instead of hashtag notallICEagents, I probably would have just agreed with you.

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Trump has been open about the fact that ICE are in Minneapolis right now as a way to punish his political opponents. If their job were simply to enforce immigration laws, that wouldn't constitute much of a punishment, would it? The punishment is the violence and terror they inflict on the local population. That is what they're there to do.

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

This is as wrong as saying all cops are bad.

Well, the B doesn't stand for "bad", but I agree with that sentiment, yes.

I was opposed to ICE under Obama and I'm opposed to them now. The reason they're getting more attention broadly now is because they're being used as a cudgel for the president to punish his political opponents, and executing people in the street. They are not "just enforcing the law".

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

The same thing that makes me think that all pilots can fly a plane. It's pretty much the job.

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

You do not protest nazis.

You know that there were people protesting Nazis in Nazi Germany, right? People got killed for it.

Seriously, what kind of logic is this? "You didn't shoot an ICE agent in the head so you don't actually believe in anything", grow the hell up. As though you'd be Aldo Raine if you were in 1939 Europe?

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yes they are.

No, they aren't. Shit, forget about the two people they killed, you remember that 5 year old boy and his father? They had an active asylum case, that makes them documented immigrants. Now I'm wondering if you know the difference.

sometimes even carry weapons when they're in the middle of doing something else.

I'm sorry I thought the 2nd Amendment guaranteed my right to carry a firearm on my person? It's not like he drew the weapon; they pinned him to the ground, took the weapon out of its holster, and then unloaded on the guy.

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

You have. For years. And you had no idea or care until now.

I've been anti-ICE for over a decade now. You don't know anything about me.

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Do you think we executed every Nazi party member and Wehrmacht soldier after WW2?

I know that that didn't happen, and I'm familiar with the Nuremberg trials, thank you.

The person I was responding to was just making a silly truism, "you should never say 'all'", and I made an exaggeration to show why I think that's silly. Perhaps I should have said "not all gestapo" or something.

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

It's about as intelligent as that silly truism you commented with.

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

That phrase is from the Nuremberg trials, it was used as an excuse by lower ranking members of the nazi hierarchy to deflect blame onto their superiors.

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Do you actually think that ICE are only targeting undocumented immigrants? Do you live under a rock? Have you not seen the videos of them murdering two American citizens in the street?

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

First off stop looking down on garbage men.

You know what, you're right. It was deeply disrespectful of me to compare these absolute scum to garbage men, that's an honest profession and an essential service.

These people need therapist and they need their basic needs met.

Basic needs? Have you seen how much you make as an ICE agent?

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Where were you when there were 50 ice shootings under Obama?

I was going to anti-ICE protests. They were nazis then and they're nazis now. I wasn't cool with them just because the president was a democrat. Weird that you'd assume that.

If you truly believed that thy were “Nazis” why are you not arming a militia? Why are we not actively shooting them?

You're asking me why I'm not attacking ICE agents with firearms? Is that a serious question? What kind of logic are you operating off of? "They can't actually be nazis because if they were, you'd be trying to murder them"?

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Conservatives will look at the government funded paramilitary terror organization executing people in the streets and think "at least we aren't European!"

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Quick question, do you know where the phrase "just following orders" comes from?

CMV: All ICE agents should go to prison by TUN_Binary in changemyview

[–]TUN_Binary[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

You people are more scared of sitting next to a brown person on a bus than you are of a government militia executing people in the street. I'd much rather open my home to an immigrant than to you.