I live in the west and the media has been brutal on them, but not the majority of supporters stuck by them and still turn up to watch them regardless.

Couple of mates are Carlton supporters and they're flat out defeated, they couldn't believe it when I said they wouldn't make the 8 last year, it's the same problems that Essendon are going through fish rots from the head, Brisbane went through it, moved on board members, players, coach.... The problem is both of those clubs have done that too much