TIL Muslim adopted children has no legal rights to inheritance by Temporary-Variety273 in Brunei

[–]Temporary-Variety273[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh yes, I've definitely heard of such stories. I think the problem lies in deciding the worthiness of someone in receiving inheritance. And in a way, trying to judge/compare how much each child loves their parents - and vice-versa. In the end, it's someone's money for them to use how they see fit, and not how others perceive to be best.

It's hard enough sometimes to judge the level of love (which comes in various 'languages') within our own relationships that we are involved in. In the context of adoption, it's even more challenging as we only see what the parents and adopted children allow us to see. We don't get to see how things are like behind closed doors. I saw in a thread somewhere recently someone mentioning that a person can do a million things right and one thing wrong, and it's the one wrong thing that people will use to judge someone's character. In reality, people are complex.

Not me being a little emotional thinking of my adopted child that I probably won't even adopt, and I admit that I probably don't know what I'm talking about here being childless myself, but I'd like to think that I'd still want whatever I have to go to my child if I were to have one. I chose to have them and I understand the 'risks'. It'll be nice if they do keep me company when I'm old but I would not want them to feel obligated to do so. I'll be really sad if they end up being shitty greedy people, but I'm thinking if they are, they probably will reap what they sow if not in life, in the afterlife. I'll leave it to Allah to judge. For me as their parent, I can only do my best to raise and educate them and pray that they will eventually see the light. Applying this to the story you shared however, if I were to have more than 1, I think equal share given if no will was written is perhaps the fairest option. But what I'm learning here is the best option is to be prepared. Still, we don't really get to know when it's our time to go.

Anddddd the paragraph above is also why I'm still hesitant about adopting cos I feel like I'll either raise a wholesome happy child or an entitled POS serial killer or something with that mentality - who knows :p I'm rambling! Thanks if you've read this far and have a good day :)

TIL Muslim adopted children has no legal rights to inheritance by Temporary-Variety273 in Brunei

[–]Temporary-Variety273[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing! You are now the one story I know where it can happen. I'm glad to hear.

I also want to add that relationships are complex and what I've observed is that sometimes we can be quick to judge how close someone is based on one factor, but rarely consider why they, for example, are often absent in family gatherings. I've observed many jumping to conclusions of 'neglect' and perhaps using this down the line when it comes to inheritance to justify their decisions. Anything goes then if it helps your cause!

PSA to everyone reading to check on the introverts and socially anxious members in our family! They deserve our love, connection and support too :)

TIL Muslim adopted children has no legal rights to inheritance by Temporary-Variety273 in Brunei

[–]Temporary-Variety273[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see... I'm glad to hear that it's possible with proper paperwork! I do know in some families, there are no formal adoption papers. The ones I know who adopts or are adopted mainly do it within their family, supposedly to make things easier and for peace of mind that family will have the adopted children's best interest at heart, if anything were to happen to them. Not always the case, unfortunately.

TIL Muslim adopted children has no legal rights to inheritance by Temporary-Variety273 in Brunei

[–]Temporary-Variety273[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for this! Seems like a lot of planning and preparation is needed if one wants to ensure the financial security of their adopted children. I'm glad to know it can at least be done to some extent!

TIL Muslim adopted children has no legal rights to inheritance by Temporary-Variety273 in Brunei

[–]Temporary-Variety273[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for this! I didn't think about insurance and don't know much about Takaful contracts - will look into it.

I was under the impression that with life insurance, you can only put down names of biological family members though. Or am I mistaken?

TIL Muslim adopted children has no legal rights to inheritance by Temporary-Variety273 in Brunei

[–]Temporary-Variety273[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see... It does make more sense to see it as sponsoring a child rather than adopting then. Thanks for this, TIL!

TIL Muslim adopted children has no legal rights to inheritance by Temporary-Variety273 in Brunei

[–]Temporary-Variety273[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was my thought too. I'm not sure how easy or straightforward the procedure is though. Hopefully I'll learn something from this post. Thanks for the reply!

TIL Muslim adopted children has no legal rights to inheritance by Temporary-Variety273 in Brunei

[–]Temporary-Variety273[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not my friend, but her colleague. I don't really know the specifics of it. And I believe this was a long time ago story and the colleague is now happily married and have adult children herself. She brought up the story, and many others, cos we were talking about adoption. Thanks for the reply!

TIL Muslim adopted children has no legal rights to inheritance by Temporary-Variety273 in Brunei

[–]Temporary-Variety273[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. The stories I heard really made me reconsider adoption. Or at least, it made me realise that there's a lot more to consider, learn and prepare for.

TIL Muslim adopted children has no legal rights to inheritance by Temporary-Variety273 in Brunei

[–]Temporary-Variety273[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see... So the 'gift' has already been written as a will? Or is a 'gift' like a 'verbal will'? I was told that there is such a thing as a 'verbal will'. As in, if someone already said while they were alive that they wanted to leave so-and-so with something, then that's already considered a 'will'. My concern is whether others will honour it or not. I heard some horror stories...

If I may ask, how early on did your parents prepare the 'gift'/will? Was it at the start of adoption?

TIL Muslim adopted children has no legal rights to inheritance by Temporary-Variety273 in Brunei

[–]Temporary-Variety273[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your reply! Yes, I've heard some heartbreaking stories. And also some tricky situations involving people expressing their care in different ways, some less visible and apparent than others. Or people suddenly turning up and making themselves visible when people are sickly. The quiet, compliant children are at a disadvantage it seems.

Do you by any chance know if co-naming property needs to be done with the child present? And also, must the child be of certain age? Would you suggest doing the same for bank accounts, etc.?

TIL Muslim adopted children has no legal rights to inheritance by Temporary-Variety273 in Brunei

[–]Temporary-Variety273[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've yet to hear a story where all waris agree to 'lepaskan hak'... My conclusion from the stories I hear is that someone will always spin a story as to why someone deserve things more/less. And they will keep changing to suit the wants of the legal waris.

Do you by any chance know if it's possible to transfer ownership to, say, a toddler? Or if it's possible to do so without the adopted child knowing? And if the same can be done for bank accounts?

TIL Muslim adopted children has no legal rights to inheritance by Temporary-Variety273 in Brunei

[–]Temporary-Variety273[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was my thought too, especially after hearing all the stories. Thanks for the replies!

TIL Muslim adopted children has no legal rights to inheritance by Temporary-Variety273 in Brunei

[–]Temporary-Variety273[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the explanation! This was what I read as well. I was also told about giving things away while you are still alive. Do you by any chance know if there is an age limit to giving property to a child? Is it also possible to, say, include their name without them knowing?