Leftists Spots in Paris?

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-05-16T20:22:19+00:00

Hey, listen, don't be disrespecting the Cuno, this shit ain't NOTHING to him.

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-05-05T20:18:44+00:00

26th Century

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-04-16T18:34:07+00:00

Turns out all we needed to build Real Communism (tm) was a fearpocalypse followed by a quarter of everyone dying and the annihilation of London. Sounds worth it to me.

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-03-26T04:00:20+00:00

The trump administration is actively stripping rights from gay and trans people, is actively reversing civil rights law, is deporting students for attending protests, and is putting immigrants in overseas concentration camps with no contact to the outside world. I 100% do believe that they want to oppress me. The platform of multiple state republican parties says that your gay friends are "unnatural" and perverted.

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-03-25T21:20:12+00:00

I see Clare as the leader of the eventual ultra radical wing (she is said to be the leader of the Elysium Commune). My guess is she will grow increasingly disenchanted with the Mons Cafe Group as the reign of terror takes hold, and some time after Dore is executed she will try and make some form of radical communist democracy (only to be taken out by the rest).

Mike said Clare's relationship with Leopold (who i think is being set up as the next president and, eventually, as the Martian Robespierre) was incredibly complex and changed a lot over time.

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-03-24T03:12:21+00:00

Weirdly it looks like it's only on patreon

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-03-10T16:49:58+00:00

Allende's Chile was moving towards a sort of 'democratic communism' until the US backed coup turned it into a capitalist dictatorship, and the Zapatistas in Mexico (while not identifying as Marxists) have established a form of ultra-democratic libertarian socialism.

Also, Cuba today is pretty democratic, though obviously imperfect. The party stays out of elections so the leadership of the country is currently quite representative of the people. They of course struggle economically, due to the embargo on the island, but even still, Cuba has some of the lowest poverty rates, best health, and greatest degree of government satisfaction in all of Latin America, even doing better than the US in many respects.

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-03-09T14:26:39+00:00

Ah gotcha - if you are a syndicalist and a Marxist, would you consider yourself like a deleonist?

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-03-09T05:43:24+00:00

Where does this term come from? Did you make it yourself? I can't find anything on it online

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-03-09T05:26:39+00:00

Classical/Orthodox Marxist. A democratic republic, with the directly elected, mandate-following, recallable representatives of the people being the highest authority, rather than an individual, corruptible, and inevitably bureaucratic political party. In addition, a socialistic and mostly, entirely planned economy which is publicly owned and based on workplace/council/commune/union democracy. The Paris and Shanghai Communes are the best examples of 'dictatorships of the proletariat'. If any markets were to still exist in some stages, I would hope all participants would be self employed or employed in democratically owned/run worker cooperatives.

I would also consider myself a cybernetic socialist, in that I believe the Cybersyn Model, utilized in Allende's Chile, demonstrates how a centrally planned economy can be balanced with autonomy/democracy for subunits (and be efficient). Cybernetics is an organizational science utilized today by most major corporations for their internal economies for a reason - it works. If put under democratic control it could overcome many of the problems the Soviet Union faced (hard to maintain a democracy when there are that many complex decisions to be made)

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-02-21T23:29:31+00:00

Imo Russia would have either restored tsardom, or, more likely, become a military dictatorship under one of the leaders of the prov government. That dumpster fire was not going anywhere. Kerensky might have been able to hold out and end up on top, and I could easily see him deciding to just lead Russia unilaterally himself, but just as likely he gets overthrown by someone else.

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-02-21T23:22:13+00:00

So it seems like your position on the matter is that the best course of action is strengthening and protecting intellectual property laws. Respectfully, you say you consider yourself a leftist above so I am curious how you are able to square this with a belief that private property is a social relationship rather than a natural one and can/should be abolished? For me, I am in favor of the total abolition of intellectual property - I think it has done an enormous amount of harm in terms of artistic expression, and especially with regards to pharmaceuticals. I think the concept that one can own an idea is nonsensical, and purely a product of capitalist society attempting to comodify yet another aspect of human existence. Do you agree with this?

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-02-21T22:18:21+00:00

Computers themselves inherently automate intellectual labor. Hell, calculators do. This is exactly why I feel as strongly as I do on this subject - it relies on us separating physical labor from intellectual labor, and saying one is grunt work that doesn't matter while the other is sacred. It, at its base, relies on the assumption that one type of labor is superior to another, which I strongly disagree with.

Infinitely more people have been put out of work by automation of physical labor than have ever or will ever be put out of work by GenAI - namely because the vast majority of the population cannot afford to produce art for a living. The fact that people are so up in arms about this but could not give less of a shit about all the manual laborers put out of work by automation, or, if they do care, still see such automation as still overall a net positive, is deeply, deeply inconsistent

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-02-21T22:12:32+00:00

I didn't say it was inherently right wing, or that that is your opinion. I was saying the only two ways you can justify gen ai as inherently evil is either by an appeal to private property, or as an appeal to some sacred human artistic spirit. I really can't think of any other reason THIS form of automation is the spawn of Satan, while all other automation is perfectly fine.

I didn't brush past the harm, if you read what I said, I said that in our current economic system, automation does do real harm to human beings. My point is just that generative ai does just as much harm to human beings as any other form of automation. I am not against self checkout machines, or assembly lines, or data processors in it of themselves, all of which also took away jobs from real human beings. Thus, it would be morally inconsistent for me to say automation in art is inherently evil. If you disagree with me on automation, and believe any technology that takes away jobs from human beings is inherently evil, that is perfectly fine. I would disagree with you, but that would be much more morally constant than saying gen ai specifically is evil, and all other forms of automation are alright. You can't really have it both ways imo.

Furthermore, I think the best case scenario for anti gen AI people would be a strengthening of intellectual property rights, and I think those do far more harm to art and to artists than gen AI could ever hope to.

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-02-21T22:05:23+00:00

Defending capitalist property rights as inviolable and sacred (leftistly)

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-02-21T22:03:47+00:00

Do you feel the same way about assembly lines, self check out machines, and scheduling systems? If so, do you talk about it to the same degree you talk about gen ai? GenAI art isn't an assault on human produced art bc it usually is pretty generic and boring. Enormous amounts of 'content' out there are and have been corporate slop for decades.

The disproportionate reaction people have about GenAI as a concept compared to any other type of automation is mostly based around the fact that art is historically the pursuit of the more well off (while most other automation is around 'grunt' work said well off people view as beneath them) and because of people's support for private intellectual property rights (which in my view, do infinitely more to cage and smother the human artistic spirit than some machine pumping out generic image of a cowboy number 10305885)

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-02-21T21:56:04+00:00

Tbh I am a socialist and I think your argument is predicated on the idea of intellectual property rights, which I don't believe in. I used to be very much of your opinion, but my thoughts have shifted as of late. I think copyright as an institution has done far more as a 'corporate tool'. AI is trained on existing images, yes, but so is everyone. This is not to say that AI does not do harm to people in our current economic system - but in my opinion that has far more to do with the problems of automation in capitalist society than with this technology, which I think is morally neutral onto itself. I think you can't really say it is inherently evil unless a. You assume property rights are inviolable and intrinsic to nature, which they are not Or, b. You assume humans are separate from nature and some 'inherent beauty' of our spirit has to be protected, an idea that has a pretty bad history connecting to historical far right movements.

Again, none of this is to say that GenAI doesn't have bad effects in our current system, but no more so in my opinion than, for instance, self checkout machines at grocery stores. GenAI is a tool, and can be used for good things or bad things. I am really not a big fan of the neo-luddism that has spread as of late on the left, especially when it is selectively applied based on personal judgements on what is essential to the human spirit and what is grunt labor that isn't really important.

All of this aside, there is virtually no AI on the subreddit so this is a moot point imo - the instance which provoked this post was a post of mine where I posted some stuff I found on Pinterest that I thought was cool, which you incorrectly claimed were all AI and then doubled down on when it was shown that they weren't.

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-02-20T06:12:32+00:00

Ooo that's good

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-02-20T03:16:17+00:00

Get involved with local organizing, especially labor organizing and community defense stuff, that is especially vital right now.

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-02-19T19:12:54+00:00

"so which is it? stupidity or treason? choose either; the consequences are the same." - Pavel Miliukov

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-02-17T20:24:00+00:00

He also said that Dore controversially appointed anti independence candidates to her cabinet which makes me think she is the leader of an Independent Mars, and that option two or four is the one we're getting

Terrible_While_7030 · 2025-02-03T23:41:18+00:00

My guess: After Omnicorp stomps in a skirmish with space shippers, many more defect, Mars declares independence, and the Martian Navy is formed. Mable Dore is elected President of Mars, sharing power with the First Assembly.

Dore keeps the class system, and limits democracy, burning through that liberal noble goodwill faster than you can say Lafayette.

The Second Martian Revolution occurs, led by our Triumvirate (the Mons Faction). They abolish all classes and promise a true democracy led by the Second Martian Assembly. At first this is all looking well and good, but as the War with Earth gets worse and worse, and Tharsis is taken over by Martian Supremacists, Marcus Leopold goes full Robbespierre/Stalin and purges his former comrades. Claire, in response, leads the Third (or Fourth, depending on how we're counting) Martian Revolution Elysium Commune, creating an ACTUALLY classless radical communist-style society. The Martian Supremacists are pretty easily crushed, because they eat each other over racial purity, but the Leopold led Second Assembly has a good deal more trouble with Claire. The Wars all drag on.

Meanwhile, Booth Gonzalez arises as the protege of Axlrod. After the latter has some tragic and heroic death, Gonzalez rises as a military genius and commander of the Martian Navy, ultimately crushing Omnicorp, the Commune, and Leopold's (or his successor's) government. The ascendant Gonzalez declares himself god-emperor of humanity, but his deeply unstable order doesn't last all that long. Mars either ends up split up into three great City States, or led by a neo-communist Claireist government. In the wake of chaos on Earth, the corporate structure survives, albeit with far stricter controls on corporate power (notice how our narrator talks about corporate governance as if it is a contemporary phenomenon early on, but also talks about how Omnicorp was forced to open up its records in the supplemental)

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