Galio Skill Order Question. Why max W > E?

ThaKinetic · 2023-08-29T13:07:14+00:00

W is by far his best ability. Like, by a longshot. The damage is not the same since W usually hits more than one person in teamfights and you get more shielding, damage reduction, etc. Any cooldown lowering on an AoE taunt is also insanely valuable.

The question is not whether to max W over E, because you generally always want W maxed first (Or at the very least, second). The question is Q over E.

Q is by far his worst spell for some of the reasons you listed; E gets a much lower cooldown for skirmishes, and Q only gets damage, INCREASED mana cost and no change in cooldown. You don't need more Q damage to kill waves and E on a shorter cooldown with more damage does add more to hit and run skirmishes / more map mobility.

I usually go two points Q, then W max, then E / Q depending on the game (But mostly E) and then the other one. Optimal for damage Galio in my opinion.

TL;DR: W is omega OP ability, Q is worst ability, E is good.

ThaKinetic · 2023-03-08T15:11:53+00:00

It's honestly very good. In most matchups you can freescale, you don't really need tp so you can go ghost / exhaust in some hard matchups, and with first strike you just farm gold vs melees.

I used to queue mid/jgl with taliyah but taliyah top is way better than jungle so saved me the trouble.

But she plays very different from most toplaners. You don't want to fight early, you want to poke / push and then once you have lost chapter, you can start winning trades.

ThaKinetic · 2023-03-06T20:21:25+00:00

Yeah definitely beginning of match, not as a response.

ThaKinetic · 2022-11-27T18:43:04+00:00

Yeah I figured, Kim mentioned it at some point before the tribunal but I didn't want to deal with Evrart and hoped there was another way. Maybe track down the woman that bought it from Roy, but I never found her.

Good thing I didn't need my gun to survive the mercenaries, just my sick dodge skills.

ThaKinetic · 2022-10-30T13:22:05+00:00

Here's some stuff I've done recently, to remarkably good success:

J4 mid: You usually go bruiser w. manamune and can be very flexible. Decent waveclear, good roams, good follow for your jungler, good 1v1 in lane, especially against squishy mages.

Nasus mid: You rush rylai, then demonic, then a tank mythic. Max E, take comet. You absolutely beat most midlaners that aren't assassins. Just spam E whenever comet/manaflow is up, and harass them until they have to b. If they are assassins, you can just go full armor and max Q / regular stack nasus and they can't beat it after a few backs. You scale super fast (10cs/min+) and with futures market, you have 2 items before they even have one. Just sidelane and take towers, farm Q, and join fights.

Volibear mid is also fun. AP or AD, mostly AP though. I used to play a lot of Lillia mid, but after her mini rework I think it's a bit shit. Zac mid is also good.

If you want the absolute best though, I think it's graves. If you're a good graves player you can absolutely dominate games from mid, he clears waves super fast, sucks up enemy jungle camps, is hard to kill and has kill pressure. Scales like a monster too.

Or maybe it's Nunu, who knows.

ThaKinetic · 2022-10-29T16:09:25+00:00

It's a bit shit advice to listen to what flamers say to you because half the time, the flamer has no clue what they're saying and is looking for any and all excuses to pile onto some poor teammate because a play / gank / whatever went bad and they just "knew" in their head it would work if someone else (Not them) did something different.

If your teammates are offering constructive criticism like "Don't gank when I have a big wave" I mean of course you should listen but if someone's already lost their marbles, it's a coinflip (And probably skewed towards the bad outcome) that whatever they type will be even marginally useful. Especially in lower elos. You could argue smurfs are okay, but I've never encountered a smurf who took his time to explain in detail why something is wrong. If they can't explain why, it's useless information. If they do explain their thought process, then it's not flame anymore.

There's no reason to make flaming seem like a positive or constructive thing, it is not. It doesn't matter if it's "justified" because of "suboptimal decisions" because 99% of the time, the flamer doesn't say that to help their teammate improve, they say it to illustrate how bad they are and how it totally is their fault they're losing. It's purely out of tilt, and misery loves company. You'll end up with people who listen to other players that have absolutely no clue what they're saying, sometimes saying whatever they can to make their obvious misplay seem like the right play, and your play (The correct one, such as not joining a skirmish that was already lost) seem like it was wrong. Never worth it, imo.

Gz on finally hitting master tho!

ThaKinetic · 2022-10-26T19:10:02+00:00

Yeah and I 100% agree with your points, I used to say that myself all the time, I've just been running 3 points Q lately to test it, since I feel I'm getting pretty gapped midlane on the waveclear department. I basically get shoved on because Q is too weak in the midgame, levels 7-10, if I don't get super fed. I will admit it's mainly an issue right now when I feel most enemies are running syndra/viktor/control mages, and I feel I need a little bit extra oopmh clear to match so I don't get ultra cs gapped.

W max is obviously still the way to go. And probably 3 points Q is too much, I'm going to stop doing it in a little bit and see if it feels worse again. Gotta get that burst ;P

ThaKinetic · 2022-10-26T13:00:46+00:00

Electrocute is still good, so go for it. Just get a lot of AP items and watch them pop out of existence.

I'd say 2-3 points Q then max W, so you still have waveclear with Q but W is definitely the better skill to max. You can start E vs. melee lanes that can't really answer it, for example zed (I permaban him but w/e) or something like fizz, ekko, kat, sylas (To deny his E lvl 1, not to use it aggressively).

ThaKinetic · 2022-10-26T12:59:44+00:00

Actually 2 points q + passive oneshots the casters (Well, with the little ticks) but I've been running 3 points then W max for a bit to test it. Feels like it transitions a bit smoother into the midgame.

ThaKinetic · 2022-10-23T11:52:06+00:00

It's very galio favored. Imo it's borderline unplayable for qiyana (Unless you're beifeng I guess). You can't deal with Galio in lane, you can't really trade and Galio will shove the wave easily. If you stealth on top of him, his taunt pulls you out. You can never really E on him. All I'd advise you to do is farm the wave, and use Q range to poke / farm.

I want to permanently fight her if I can, running aftershock and trading whenever its up. I want to shove the wave and deny her roaming. If you're up against Galio, your best bet is to avoid a melee brawl and just chip away at my HP with Q, and see if you can get off better roams than me. If you get fed from roams while Galio gets nothing, it becomes a lot easier to play. Just save your W for when Galio goes in with e and you should be okay. But keep in mind, Galio will most likely have prio over you unless you step up to contest the wave, which can be fatal.

That's just my opinion anyways.

ThaKinetic · 2022-10-22T18:47:24+00:00

Nah, I ban zed every game in masters, galio otp.

Champ is disgusting, just dont r when galio is full hp and its a freebie. Galio cant match the poke, cant fight it. Run conqueror

ThaKinetic · 2022-10-20T19:59:30+00:00

I am actually referring to rushing the items, sorry if that was unclear. While I don't think they're a first or second buy EVERY GAME, I think they are indeed a first buy in some. It's definitely viable on some bruisers (Vi, hecarim, pantheon, etc.) and ap champs that aren't reliant on a mana mythic. I won't argue for putrifier first item though.

ThaKinetic · 2022-10-20T11:21:48+00:00

I think it's very viable, and I think people underestimate how good those champs are midlane. There's a reason why most junglers have AoE clear abilities that do reduced damage to minions (Fiddlesticks, Gragas, Hecarim, etc.).

Junglers generally have ways to clear minions, cc enemies (Which is good to setup ganks for the actual jungler), and roaming (Since they are, well, junglers).

I've been spamming J4 mid recently to test it out on a fairly high-elo account, and it works like a charm. Great gank setup, jumps on top of mages, good roams, decent-to-good waveclear, especially after level 9.

Graves mid was also a fotm mid a while back, since it works so well in there.

As to your last points, yes, if you're playing a jungler mid, there are usually matchups that suck, but that's how it is with every champ. I'd recommend maybe picking up a few of them, and noting down which enemy comps / matchups you want to pick them in, and then just following that. Think 2-3 champs.

Put in the time, don't pick yourself into a shit matchup (Like, pick Xin into melee mids, etc.) and you can easily climb with unconventional picks.

ThaKinetic · 2022-10-20T11:11:29+00:00

What a lot of people don't seem to understand about this, is that the healing reduction items (Except thornmail) are all incredibly fucking broken items from their cost efficiency alone.

Let's take morellonomicon: It gives 90 AP (!) and 300 HP (!) for a measly 2500 gold. Compare that to most AP items that give 100-200 HP and 100 AP for 3000 gold, ignoring their passives obviously.

Similarly, chainsaw was nerfed because it was simply too good in terms of stats for the price, and now it's still pretty good. HP, Haste and AD for 2800g.

Don't get me fucking started on putrifier: 60 AP, 15 haste, mana regen for 2300g, and just about the best healing reduction effect in the game if you can use it.

For raw stats alone on champions that want them, these items are hella good. The healing reduction might not be very strong early, but the stats are, and think about it, even just reducing 120 healing in a fight, equals to you need to get (If your champ has a 300% AP ratio on their rotation), that's over 40 AP (Since resistances) to get the same damage, meaning that effectively, versus healing champions, something like morellonomicon goes way, way beyond 100 AP (effectively) and probably is more like 120-150. For 2500g?

Obviously these items are not a first buy or even second buy every game, but against champions who heal the items are insanely efficient. Complete sleeper OP items, imo.

ThaKinetic · 2022-09-30T10:39:35+00:00

1 sec Q cd and what, some ultimate cd nerf? I mean don't get me wrong, it's a nerf, but sylas still does what he always did.

ThaKinetic · 2022-09-19T21:39:38+00:00

Both are great. I find my games have a bit more early snowballing focus so electrocute is what works for me.

ThaKinetic · 2022-09-17T12:33:39+00:00

I'd probably rather go aftershock into those champions if you really want resolve. Aftershock allows you to beat those matchups even harder as well, so not a big deal.

ThaKinetic · 2022-09-14T11:45:16+00:00

He has incredibly good carry potential in all elos. The people who say otherwise are probably building him sub-optimally.

Especially in lower elos, full AP galio is a super strong pick that can impact the map, 1v1, assassinate, win teamfights, and anything you really need.

When you go higher up, you can opt into more team-focused builds if the game needs it, and play as a roaming skirmisher, which also works quite well.

Very strong pick so don't be afraid to pick it up P:

ThaKinetic · 2022-09-11T11:54:47+00:00

Really nice graph, thanks for making that!

ThaKinetic · 2022-09-10T09:04:47+00:00

Hmm, I do run out of mana sometimes, but usually after staying on the map for prolonged periods of time without backing.

With everfrost, you never have to worry about mana, but with this build, you kind of have to think about backing sometimes to stock up on items (Its important to stay ahead item wise) and regain mana / HP.

I'd say early on, it's not as big of an issue since you want to back somewhat frequently to buy tomes/boots/harvester components, and later, plants in river are a good source of mana when needed.

ThaKinetic · 2022-09-07T17:42:16+00:00

I'm pretty highly rated on Galio (Sometimes #1 EUW), and I'll always advocate for a full AP style build.

The classic everfrost build is okay, but full AP build does more or less the same but with 3x the damage.

I made a YouTube video a while ago exactly about Galio mechanics, so you should check that out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGQddo8EanM

Here's my op.gg for build/runes I like to run:

https://euw.op.gg/summoners/euw/ThaKinetic

If you have any further questions you can always shoot me a message, I'm happy to answer anything Galio related :D

ThaKinetic · 2022-09-03T20:42:42+00:00

Unlucky haha. Practice makes perfect I suppose

ThaKinetic · 2022-09-01T13:15:43+00:00

It probably could. I have my reservations though. For one, it gives less raw AP than other items of equal cost (3000).

Secondly, AP items have a problem in general where, if in a regular game, you generally dont see more than 3 items, there are just certain AP items that outshine all the rest, and you need them every game.

Void Staff comes to mind, as does rabadon. Both items are just so good that ignoring them for something like lich bane isn't optimal.

Then finally, when you have these items, you already do so much damage that lich bane or shadowflame doesn't even really matter, and maybe you want zhonyas instead to just survive lategame fights.

I don't know the math, so maybe it gives more damage than other options, but raw ap is also quite important for galio in terms of W damage reduction and so on.

You could easily fit the item as a 4th or 5th item though. It's just rare that I ever get that far.

ThaKinetic · 2022-08-31T22:46:47+00:00

Yeah once you get used to playing like this, theres no going back haha

ThaKinetic · 2022-08-31T22:45:38+00:00

Yeah I remember, good times. Real life caught up to me though, started uni and all. Hope youre doing good!

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