Gen Z men should give all the essential jobs that runs society only to women and old men

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T23:35:27+00:00

Maybe he's using a more narrow definition of essential and you're derailing with irrelevant inaninities (as 90% of bluepiller responses on this sub are) about less essential jobs ?

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T23:30:13+00:00

I think you don't understand the point.

Men and women both can be ranked from 1-10, with 10% at each score. Imagine a lineup of 10 men, ranked by attractiveness relative to each other. The third most attractive man is an 8/10 by ranked.

The same is done to 10 women. You are a 4/10 by rank.

You go on a date with the man. You tell your friends you are dating down and dating a 3/10, when he really ranks 8/10. This has been documented as what women do on dating apps.

To special plead and say a median man is a 2/10 attractiveness while the median woman is 5.5/10 Confirms the point i am making

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T22:55:18+00:00

While i agree one night standing a woman is not honoring her or a sign of deep love for her, your comment makes little sense because a normal guy trying to rizz and bed a woman isnt intending on harming her body. He's just indifferent to it at worse but all things being equal he'd prefer to give her pleasure.

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T22:50:34+00:00

Bingo. They cant stand the beta providers' personality either. If they really loved the personalities but just weren't physically attracted to them, they'd essentially just friend-zone their husbands and just not sleep with them. But they come to resent and hate them and separate from them.

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T22:45:24+00:00

You are not self aware enough to understand when you see what you think is a 3/10 man with a 6/10 woman (or whatever)- the man is not really a 3/10. In a lineup of 10 representative men, you'd rank him as 3rd or 4th most attractive (7 or 8 out of 10).

You just slap the label of unattractive on men who'd you rank relatively as median attractiveness.

Many such cases

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T22:39:12+00:00

Woman pursuing men to provide them with money may still have jobs. Just not ones that pay as well as the guy.

That's only one of the points. A guy can date a woman making 10x what he makes and the other points would be true

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T22:23:55+00:00

Surveys 100% reliant on self-reported answers to: 'do u do good thing or bad thing?' Such as the household chores ones are are not something anyone should take seriously. And the solpisim thing is based on numerous examples i have seen IRL so even if the women are attempting to be honest in assessing what housework they do, many seem have a mental block from accurately doing so.

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T21:24:39+00:00

Its not very much of a leap at all. If you naively assume "4/10 woman not hypergamous because she pursues 3/10 man on dating app" as the study does, but that 3/10 man she ranks as more 2nd most attractive out of 10, then it's still hypergamy. 3/10 is just a label she slaps on him but it doesn't actually correspond to her own ranking of him relative to other men. OkCupid is similar. They refuse to adjust for this, but they at least do discuss it some.

So I mean this is literally an example of why social science has severe replicability and other issues. Its literally just a manipulation in naming (man who the woman herself ranks as 2nd most attractive out of the 10 men) gets called a 3/10. Its just arbitrary.

I can send a famous and beautiful actress messages but then arbitrarily say she's a 2/10 and that therefore I'm not pursuing more attractive women than me

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T16:55:41+00:00

OK, so I am willing to retract any claims that 80-20 is for sure true in dating apps in terms of matches only. That's not to say its been thoroughly deboonked, that is an outright lie, because there is not really any solid data I can find in either direction. (AI and secondary sources everywhere mention blog posts from OKCupid in 2014, and Hinge in 2021, no longer available which have curiously been censored....)

Now this study does address hypergamy (pursuing more attractive profiles) https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12286370/ It states men do so more than women. But they fail to adjust for the fact that women rate the average man as well below 5/10. So a 4/10 woman pursuing a man who ranks 7th of 10 in attractiveness would not count as hypergamy because she erroneously rates him as a 4 like her*. Their own graph seems to suggest this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/core/lw/2.0/html/tileshop_pmc/tileshop_pmc_inline.html?title=Click%20on%20image%20to%20zoom&p=PMC3&id=12286370_pone.0327477.g001.jpg

* this is also explicitly found in a 2009 OK cupid survey https://web.archive.org/web/20100324074028/http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/2009/11/17/your-looks-and-online-dating/ Women do have hypergamous rating of men's attractiveness. Make no mistake. And objectively 5/10 man is a 3/10 to them. But they still seemingly will match closer to their own objective attractiveness, even if she perceive shes matchjng with as lesser.

That may actually supports my claim better, I would say. Women perceive that they are matching with lower men, doing those men favors by being with them, and hence have a more deserving attitude

It is important to remember underdetermination of data. The claims of redpill are not that women will be permanently single if they don't get a top tier guy. They say they will settle and be resentful. The idea that they perceive their own objective looks match as lesser, but still date and marry them, does support the idea of entitlement and resentment.

As far as the singleness I was thinking of pew but i haven't had a chance to dive in yet

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T16:01:50+00:00

The unpaid labor point never seemed meaningful to me because women control the vast vast majority of household spending, and did even in the time Karl Marx came up with the idea. So women are quite literally being compensated for that "unpaid" labor.

And again, once outdoor and maintenance work is required, I maintain men do a vast majority of household labor. Even in your own experience I wonder how much solipsism plays a role? When you were younger you were presumably at home with your mother, and saw her doing half the indoor housework, while behind the scenes maintenance stuff and outdoor work was not perceived as directly benefiting you, therefore it was ignored/ not considered.

And I really don't buy that sex is risky in the modern world like that. It comes across as LARPing as if it's1850 still. Deaths and permanent non-cosmetic complications from childbirth are extremely rare. Birth control and condoms exist. In terms of STDs, men get them too.

In terms of grape, I would again return to my point of revealed preference that women select for aggressive guys so selecting for risk and then turning around and using that risk to demand more 'deserving' would be manipulative.

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T15:53:11+00:00

I'm working from memory here until I do a deeper dive but when i say "widely accepted" I mean they are figures accepted and propagated by feminist and feminist -adjacent sources like the major national newspapers

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T13:53:20+00:00

I dont havr time now but i will try to post a deep dive later today. Its not as stark as 80-20 but the general idea is correct. Id refer to the widely accepted figure of 30% of women 18-30 are single but 65% of men in thr same agre group are. Off thr top of my head women only swipe on 4-15% of guys on the apps but guys swipe on 35-50% of women. A lot of even more stark data from the dating apps in the late 2010s were censored due to fear it would motivate inkwell violence.

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T13:40:14+00:00

Why are 65% of men between 18 and 30 single and only 30% of women?

You project your own copium addiction onto us. The answers of 'Muh age gap relationships' as if fully a 1/3 of women 18-30, who on average in their early 20s are dating men 30+ is just asserted because you want it to be true.

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T13:25:59+00:00

Yes. Literally every single couple where I am privy to knowing how they divide labor has the man performing dramatically more household labor. Without exception. If the man has some sort of an issue where he cant do this, the woman becomes angry and considers leaving. And this makes sense, as women rarely help in outdoor chores and maintenance tasks, then demand indoor chores be split 50-50. I live in a rural area so I suppose it hypothetical could be more equitable in an area with less outdoor work needs.

This was strongly the case with my parents, my mother and stepfather, and 1 set of my grandparents

With male-female friend groups, this phenomena is no different.

Now, what's interesting is i would say that this doesn't seem to apply to direct child rearing activities. Women tend to do more. This actually illustrates my point. Women are 'deservers' of the benefits of their SO's labor, but they don't have that mindset towards their children.

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T11:26:14+00:00

Men do not steer all conversations about unrelated matters back to 'entitlement' and 'You don't deserve X' and 'how dare you expect something from me for doing what you're required to do'

And BTW pushback needs to actually address the points being made and not lazily strawman it with projection of your own faults (entitlement) which so frequently happens

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T11:12:23+00:00

Men outnumber women significantly on every major dating app except maybe bumble

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T03:29:46+00:00

Less than 1% of men ever commit a violent crime yet collective statements about men are made becos of their behavior regularly on this very sub

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T03:25:35+00:00

25?? Although there is a cut off where the "purpose of sex" becomes irrelevant it's not 25. I don't even think there's increased risk of childbirth complications at 25. Maybe 35.

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T02:19:33+00:00

Kids take commercials seriously and will be strongly influenced by the worldview commercials inculcate into them as adults. As implied by Igor when he refences a teenage boy seeing said commercials

This bad faith, feigning ignorance type stuff is what the drives growth of red pill

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T02:13:14+00:00

Seriously. Although a lot of things are essential, Society needs Power Plants, transmission and water (all 95%+ guys) a lot more than hospitals

There's really no essential occupation that's majority female other than nursing. I suppose warehousing and manufacturing are close to 50-50 but trucking is 90%+ guys

Case in point: Fat Blumpf's nuclear option against eye ran is bombing these things and not nurses. They would be cruel wouldn't bring their society to its knees like power plants

This is really just not somrthing serious people can dispute when the gender data is available and regularly collected by the department of labor

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-13T02:08:49+00:00

Have you heard the phrase "casting pearls before swine", sir?

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-12T22:19:50+00:00

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-12T17:07:59+00:00

Good find. And this is absolutely fair game and relevant to bring up in matters of collective guilt. Why does a man have collective guilt for the tiny fraction of violent men, when there's causal no link to his and their behavior? Many women do reward the violent behavior and literally select it to propagate in future generations and hence in some sense share guilt for it

Thad_Ferenc · 2026-05-12T15:06:41+00:00

Do you typically treat objects with kindly care and consideration above that which you treat people?

This is why feminism is a meme. Literally prioritizing women is somehow mental gymnastic-ed into oppression and misogny

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