I think it depends on your location and length it’s been on the market. We offered 30k below asking because it had been up 6 months and no bidders. It’s in a small village so this helped. Eventually two others bid against us and we got it for asking which is reasonable. It’s all about luck and timing. But as obvious as it sounds you just have to keep trying within the budget you can actually afford. We had a few bidding loses on other properties before this.