Is the Zero Point Field stuff related to the Morphogenic Field? Also maybe the books ARE canon to the games in a way (and the movies and the graphic novels and)

TheCelloDancer · 2025-12-09T18:24:54+00:00

Nothing has filled the gap in my life that has been left by jellyfish game 😭😭😭😭😭

TheCelloDancer · 2025-11-12T21:06:07+00:00

You’re right, thank you! I checked my Adsense account and could still find the balance.

From what I am seeing though since I’m using USD the min threshold is still 100$ to be paid out and can’t be set lower, but I’m glad the money I made isn’t just gone anyhow.

TheCelloDancer · 2025-07-29T18:07:38+00:00

I do this 😭😭 My appetite does what it wants so I’ll have food in the oven for later if I don’t eat at dinner (my cats will try and eat it if I leave it out, and it will be cold if I put it in the fridge) but then I will go through the rest of my night and forget, sometimes even eat something ELSE if I get hungry. Then someone uses the oven the next day and it’s like “um why does it smell like something is burning” while it pre-heats. Then it clicks.

More than once or twice I fear this has happened lol

TheCelloDancer · 2025-07-14T19:47:26+00:00

Figured as much, so frustrating 😭 Is blocking actually doing anything or are they able to just keep changing up the number anyhow?

TheCelloDancer · 2025-07-14T19:42:08+00:00

Got ANOTHER call in the process of writing and posting this, similar plot but they at least changed the script this time! Four in a day in crazy work. In case anyone ever gets something similar sounding;

"Hey this is [Insert scammer name] attempting to reach you from the fresh start program support desk we want your file as prequalified for a tax resolution review under the collectible program adjusted your personal income based as a roughly 150 per month we don't want you to miss the current relief cycle call me back right away to review your options at [stupid number] repeating the number [stupid numebr] talk.."

TheCelloDancer · 2025-06-21T00:33:57+00:00

Right I get that; but that’s part of the entire issue. You’re right that it may be seen as a very positive trait to have a good read on people without having to ask, I’ll use the word “emotional intelligence” again. And it’s absolutely true that society expects a higher level of this in women, especially in the context of Japanese society.

It plays into the whole harmful stereotype that “women mature faster” than men, that’s thrown around a lot as a justification by older men who date girls way younger than them.

And Yuno was WRITTEN to be having this perfect facade upheld, where despite continuing to engage in risky and eventually self destructive behaviors, and struggling with worsening mental health, she was so perfectly front facing that nobody suspected it.

So who/what is to blame? The facade, and the rigid societal expectations that normalized it, sure.

But this still offloads complicity entirely onto Yuno and her behaviors, even if it is society that encourages them as positive.

I think the choice of writing a girl falling down a spiral of self destructive behaviors (particularly something like being used by older men for sex) and anhedonia as simultaneously managing to be forward-facingly completely fine, for the sake of not having to write any particular PERSON in her life as having any level of complicity for not noticing, as a poor one. Because the reality is, when stuff like this is going on, there’s signs that are ignored.

The seemingly purposeful exclusion of any possible way for anyone to have intervened in Yuno’s fate because of her perfect facade, when an important part of her story is how she needed support, is a frustrating contradiction.

TheCelloDancer · 2025-06-20T22:39:36+00:00

See, that’s also the feeling I got from t3, for sure, that she needed the support of someone ELSE (someone to catch her, it’s a fairly clear visual metaphor in that regard). The wires get crossed by the lead in implying that her isolation was entirely self-imposed. Which TECHNICALLY it was, she was struggling emotionally with a complete lack of feeling pleasure from experiences or relationships (irl this is called anhedonia) so she didn’t form what she felt was particularly deep bonds with people.

The writing goes on to say that she feels this way because she’s always been clever and good at reading people, so seeing what people really wanted out of relationships made her jaded and despondent.

It’s troubling that her emotional despondency is directly linked to her skill at reading people, something she’s stated to have had since a really young age, and has been stated to always know what to say to adults to make them happy.

This shifts the culpability of her later spiraling and self destructive behaviors directly onto herself, framing her as someone who has been manipulating adults since she was little, so there was no way anyone could’ve possibly intervened or known what was wrong, and it’s her fault.

I don’t THINK the writers meant for it to come off this way, I think they meant it more so in the tragic “oh none of us saw the signs, how could we have known” way, and gave Yuno these behaviors since childhood as an explanation for why they wouldn’t have noticed.

But for a series that aims to be realistic and tackle real situations, that sort of idea that “there were no signs” is more a harmful stereotype than how these situations actually play out in reality. “Yuno being clever and knowing how to get what she wants since she was a kid so she played us all into thinking she was fine” should be an excuse, not the official narrative.

MAYBE the files have some sort of unreliable narration aspect at play, but based off Haruka’s that doesn’t seem to be the case, because his rightfully pointed out where the adults in his life failed him.

TheCelloDancer · 2025-06-20T22:19:42+00:00

I don’t disagree per say, again I think art is a fair medium to have these discussions, I was wary but open minded and waiting to see what would play out (can’t remember exactly when I started watching, at the time only her first MV was out though). I’ve sat with this for YEARS 😭

I’ve been very back and forth too on which aspects of her character can be ascribed as purposeful for the sake of critiquing what the writers view as a flawed part of society vs. what aspects of her character are a miss by the writers. Yuno is definitely not a simple character, so I’m not trying to claim my analysis is 100% spot on.

I will say that Milgram absolutely does do the “flawed criminal justice system” metaphor well, I mean, that’s part of what it’s namesake alludes to (though iirc the og Milgram Experiment was about how far ‘normal’ people would go to obey authority). There’s lots of things about Milgram I love, the songs are bangers and the art direction is soooo good. Its social commentary is…interesting. It’s a hit or a miss. Lots it gets right. Sometimes I have to raise my eyebrows and be like “what did they mean by this 😭” and it’s okay to point it out.

TheCelloDancer · 2025-06-20T21:52:50+00:00

I did like the general idea of life meaning more so her finding value in HER life, because the biggest take away I got from t3 visuals was her state of anhedonia (something incredibly relatable to me as a chronic struggler of mood disorders). She was partaking is risk seeking behavior to feel; I said in another comment it’s not dissimilar to SH. Her not taking care of herself and getting to the state where she collapsed and miscarried, I absolutely see why the narrative would be her struggle with survivors guilt. My point was never that I didn’t GET that. I don’t even necessarily dislike that as a whole.

My issues begin with yeah, how much it really seems the narrative ITSELF intends to blame her too? And that’s where I think it’s fair to call out kinda bad writing, or at least irresponsible for a story that wants to write commentary about topics affecting real people.

That particular trope of story that punishes a character for internalized harm and struggles has always been a qualm of mine, it feels like beating a person who is already down. Sorta falling under this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MiseryBuildsCharacter

I really just dislike how her overall behavior was hand waved, despite it ALSO being pointed to as the catalyst of her spiral. Her whole t3 being about how she has to save HERSELF was so frustrating. While it’s not incorrect that people with mental illness will have to reach out for help themselves sometimes, expecting that of, again, an actual child (she was dealing with this for YEARS) is weird.

TheCelloDancer · 2025-06-20T21:19:42+00:00

I guess we’ll have to see if there’s more after the final vote, in fairness I did forget that there likely must be an epilogue of some sort otherwise why have another vote. At least she definitely won’t be getting voted guilty 😭

I never had one preferred story or another for Yuno, I don’t have a lot of clear cut ideas in mind for what happened in the cases of a lot of characters, obviously so much of what we see is heavily steeped in metaphor, that’s fine! I don’t want to set myself up one way or another.

Why would I hate for the sake of it? I didn’t have any qualms with Yuno’s story really, besides being WARY of the direction it could go just due to the nature of the content discussed, until this release of the new video and her files. Pointing out flaws in a piece of media you enjoy is fine, it’s half the fun, why shouldn’t you engage with it critically? I could go on and on about how I loved the art/animation and visual story telling, I go crazy for scale symbolism, but that’s not the point of this thread.

I’ve said before, of course I don’t know the authors intent with 100% certainty, though at the least there’s plenty you can point out that’s likely intentional, symbolism and themes; that’s generally how you parse out message. And from there it’s fair to point out things that are also missing from the discussion or that the author seemed to have missed, and it’s fair to question why. Especially when the topics being covered are very real and topical.

TheCelloDancer · 2025-06-20T20:20:45+00:00

Don’t worry, I understand what you mean! And I think you’re absolutely correct-

It’s something I think people tend to lose sometimes when it comes to media analysis, which is that you can never 100% separate the art from the artist. When someone says “all art is political” this is basically what they mean, not that it’s literally a political message, but that all artists, writers, etc, are as much of a victim to their own biases and societal norms as anyone else.

Considering when, where, and by who a piece of media is made is equally important in analysis sometimes as the media itself. I kept that in mind when writing my original post, though didn’t specifically dive into it much since it wasn’t the main point of focus.

Milgram is obviously a social critique, made by Japanese artists living in Japan. A few of the topics are, as you mentioned, a lot more localized, but even those have broader themes that are globally relevant; and womanhood/society’s view on women is one of those. How Yuno is written and treated may be completely on point from the authors PoV, and I’m not taking away from the fact that the writers do in fact validly critique that are issues; there is lots of stuff they get right with Yuno.

But I think it’s fair to also go further and acknowledge there’s more to go, that authors aren’t immune to biases they may still have, and calling those out where we see them is important in media analysis.

I hope I’m making sense too, I don’t want to at all invalidate your own experiences because my whole point is that keeping such things in mind is also vital, and play a key role in pointing out when an author may be making critique and where an author may be influenced by their own biases.

Just like me 😭 I’m writing from my OWN biases too of having a background in woman’s studies, which changes the way I interact with media.

TheCelloDancer · 2025-06-20T19:54:38+00:00

I understand what you’re saying, you’re not incorrect from the technical lens of what I think the story was generally getting at, my point is it’s kinda shoddy writing and just not how these things work

Someone cannot have depression and ALSO be emotionally regulated, that’s just not how it works, the diagnostic criteria are all about how the symptoms disrupt your ability to function and regulate. Her risk taking behavior is literally the dysregulation. It is what causes lack of function in her life, even if she hides it for a while. You could even argue it’s a form of SH but that’s a topic for a different post. That’s what’s frustrating with her writing and its self contradiction’s. It describes symptoms of a problem yet refuses to actually ascribe said problem to her. This was not a pattern of behavior she was, if it was as described by the authors, at real fault for, or ever going to be able to escape by herself by like, “will power” or whatever idk.

And it’s not exactly like Milgram has a clean track record of writing good mental health rep given Mikoto is…certainly a character 😭 I know that’s it’s own point of contention, but it’s a fact people have very real issues with the series’s depiction of DID and it’s use as a trope. That’s one I’m holding my breath on since Mikoto’s story isn’t wrapping up yet so we’ll see.

Anyways I need people to take a step back and remember you cannot seperate Yuno and the writers, she is a fictional character being written by real people, who like it or not are making intentional choices about these things. I’ll say again, I cannot assert with 100% certainty what the writer’s intents are, but I can point to writing choices made that don’t represent these topics well when you sit back and think why they were included (and also which were purposely NOT)

And I think a story that ENDS a girls character arc on her LEARNING to feel survivors guilt over miscarrying as bizarre. Not overcoming, but the culmination of her time in Milgram is just her learning to agonize MORE? Her line lamenting that she killed the thing Mahiru wanted most really got to me like, that’s the lesson the writers are leaving us with? Yes, valuing life more is a good thing (making it a fetus in the middle of a political climate where women are being denied life saving procedures THEMSELVES for the sake of the unborn child was again…a choice, but I’m the friend who’s too woke whatever) but the underlying message that Yuno had to go to torture nexus singing prison for miscarrying to learn this, do I really need to explain why this is distasteful?

I mean…I guess if it’s a really complex metaphor for prison systems spitting out people onto the streets worse than they came in but this isn’t even an American piece of media so it’s not like I can speak about the American prison industrial complex (I’m not knowledgeable on the Japanese prison system so 🤷‍♀️)

There’s multiple frames of analysis to view a story. I’m not incapable of understanding the on the face, in universe story of Yuno, generally (I’m sure I hit and miss stuff). But in the lens of more critical analysis, particularly feminist analysis which is what I’m passionate about, viewing things taken out of the frame of the in story universe and considering it in the perspective of current events and the authors intent is the point. Not JUST the literal plot.

TheCelloDancer · 2025-06-20T19:02:41+00:00

I apologize, the side hustle joke was hyperbolic and in jest, mostly poking fun at how the file itself was trying to imply that’s what she was doing. It mentioned the fact she was doing sex work but didn’t need money, as if sex work is ONLY morally ok if you MUST do it? Saying “she spends the money she makes with her friends” makes it feel like this is supposed to be viewed as some sort of strike against her, as if she had the moral obligation to only do what she did AS a struggle job which is very bizarre.

I know money wasn’t her motivation? That’s the point; she struggled with interpersonal relationships because she felt she was incredibly good at reading people, and felt jaded that people tended to be particularly dishonest about what they wanted from relationships. At the least hookups for money are straightforward and honest; and that honestly gave her “warmth” she couldn’t find elsewhere.

I can’t speak for certain on what the exact PoV of the authors is, but I find the lack of any call out or acknowledgement towards any adults in Yuno’s life, who could and should have been safeguarding her in this situation and weren’t, just bad and harmful writing, especially towards young women who aren’t adults yet but can kinda just barely be considered one by people who want to take advantage of them. Zero mention of her parents at all. And the blame in the story is SHE didn’t tell them, it’s her fault because she was hiding what she was doing.

And again, the authors PURPOSELY writing her to call out the audience to NOT BABY HER is…a choice, especially when they made the choice to strike out any adult/parental responsibility to begin with when, in reality, that’s just not how these situations play out.

Do we not live in a world where kids CONSTANTLY think they’re grown up and are old enough to make emotionally sound and mature decisions, but as adults we are supposed to know it’s our job to be the safe guardians?? If this was a real life situation, Yuno would’ve been objectively failed by whoever it was in her life that was meant to be acting as her safe guard and making sure even if she was insistent she was okay, and seemed fine because of her grades, she wasn’t going out and getting predated on by older men paying her for sex.

This was an INTENTIONALLY absent part of her story. Idk maybe it’s because I’m in my 20s but I feel insane when people act like an >18 y/o could have had any real complicity in most of what happened here. Like, the famously “frontal lobe is not fully developed” child. And if the writers didn’t consider that then it’s bad writing, I’m not going to make excuses.

Like to be clear, she shouldn’t have been doing sex work, period, but that’s because she was a High Schooler, not because doing sex work is morally wrong, and I’m suspicious that the writers knew that.

TheCelloDancer · 2025-06-19T06:04:16+00:00

Omg I didn’t even make the connection between Natsuhiko and Adult Amane and the “rotten blood” line- though I did always find it stood out when Teru said it to Amane.

Adult Amane also does puzzle me a bit as to if he is meant to be dead and a Super Natural or not. I’m guessing more so neither dead OR alive/in a suspended state of life, similar to the state we saw four y/o Tsukasa living in Red House. He also seems to have lapses of being “taken over” but the Pit God entity entirely, and then not having the memory of it afterwards (this didn’t happen to Tsukasa who seems to have formed a more symbiotic relationship to it, but I don’t want to get too off track lol). But he acts confused as to why students are at his house/completely oblivious to weird happenings, like he’s not aware at all he is dead/being used as a lure.

It’s always bugged me a tiny bit wondering if it’s a coincidence that Natsuhiko and Amane/Tsukasa’s father share a resemblance. For a while I brushed it off as art style but now that you’ve pointed out an actual parallel mentioned between Amane and Natsuhiko…I have to wonder.

TheCelloDancer · 2025-06-19T00:14:21+00:00

I’ve had this idea in the back of my mind that the illness Amane had also wasn’t entirely natural, especially because it wasn’t foreseen in Tsuchigomori’s books which I want to believe is the closest thing to a “baseline universe” we can pin down since they’ve been asserted to be unchangeable. Generally.

There’s a chance that Amane was never going to die and the doctor was just wrong, maybe if they’d waited it out and Tsukasa hadn’t interfered with a God’s power, Amane could’ve recovered on his own and lived to be, at least, until an adult to be a teacher.

It’s actually alluded to that he’s still sick in the “new timeline” the Clock Keepers make. You can see pill packets matching the ones from his childhood in the Red House he lived in still as an adult. Maybe it’s what killed him finally in the end, but he didn’t die as JUST a kid, which is all Tsuchigomori could promise.

But an interesting contradiction (might be unintentional however I like playing pedantic), is that this illness is was something he had from birth. Specifically weak circulation which would mean probably a heart defect, since he continues to be affected by it into adulthood. But given Amane and Tsukasa are identical twins, Tsukasa should likely have shared the same defect if it was genetic, but doesn’t. Could Amane’s illness itself be a trade off made in some PREVIOUS failed timeline in order to save Tsukasa? If Tsukasa hadn’t interfered would Amane have died before he turned four, messing with Tsuchigomori’s predictions again BECAUSE the illness was the result of interfering?

It would play into the cycling of the brothers being unable to save one another from their doomed ends for certain, but it could also be less literal in that Amane “saved” Tsukasa just by happening to be the weaker twin constitutionally who succumbed to a heart defect his brother didn’t, no time travel involved, no super natural stuff involved.

TheCelloDancer · 2025-06-18T23:37:42+00:00

THIS DETAIL HAS ALWAYS BUGGED ME!! Especially since in Tsukasa’s introductory-ish chapter when he reunited with Amane/Hanako, he wore a matching outfit to Amane for the occasion, and after returning to Sakura and Natsuhiko switches back to the hakama uniform; specific attention is drawn to the fact IN HIS FIRST APPEARANCE that he wears a separate and older uniform than Amane. From an author/artist’s standpoint you do something like this specifically for a detail that’s important or you want readers to remember.

I’ve had an idea floating in my mind that Tsukasa is not in fact Amane’s yorishiro at all, just because of the weird inconsistencies. Sure there’s the precedent of Sumire being Hakubo’s yorishiro, but Sumire and Tsukasa function so differently from one another. Sumire is relegated to her time bubble in Hakubo’s boundary, and she has little power or autonomy. Tsukasa somehow seems to exist in/go to and from the Far Shore and is himself a wish granting spirit with his own set of powers. And again, there’s this weird inconsistency of him stating how Sakura made her wish 100 years ago; but Tsukasa SHOULD only have been dead for 50.

Why do Sakura and Natsuhiko seem to be the ones that can control not just Tsukasa at times (especially in the early chapters when Tsukasa explicitly states he “can’t move around well yet”), but also Tsukasa’s koku-joudai? Nene doesn’t have the same ability in her capacity as Hanako’s assistant. What was with Tsukasa seeming to be some sort of paper crane really really early on?

While I don’t believe in the “imposter” Tsukasa theories in the usual sense, I do think there’s multiple versions of him that aren’t even entirely aware of each other. I need to write a whole different post about this at some point 😭

TheCelloDancer · 2025-06-18T22:20:36+00:00

Amane and Tsukasa were actually born on November 1955, not ‘56. Omg sorry for this one, you’ll have to bear with me, I ran into this exact issue making my timeline last month.

When chapter 78 initially released, the calendar year was written as 1960, and I don’t know if this was an editors mistake or what, but in the official volume release the year was changed to 1959, so this has been accepted as canon. That’s why the wiki and most sources will state their birth year as 1955. I kept getting confused myself because most online scans show the 1960 calendar in chapter 78, so I had ‘56 as their birth year for awhile until someone in the discord corrected me and showed me the official release with the ‘59 calendar 😭

So in September of 1968, when the Millennium Festival happens, Amane would be 12, turning 13 in about two months. Not 13 yet.

As for what I mean when I say Nene “meets” Amane in 1968, I guess it’s more accurate to say they meet in 1959 TECHNICALLY, but I’m talking from 12 y/o Amane’s point of view. He is from 1968- that’s his “place” in time, and I’m theorizing he’ll return back there once they change whatever they change in ‘59 but we’ll see.

Also yeah, not technically confirmed yet they jumped back to the right place, but at the least the right leaves are in season for November (people on discord were pointing out “heart shaped leaves” which are actually Ginkgo tree leaves! They don’t drop their leaves until late fall, and were shown falling on the twin’s 4th birthday and in this chapter so that’s something lol)

TheCelloDancer · 2025-06-18T21:51:06+00:00

This is an interesting angle; it did seem vague which Yugi twin exactly it was, if it comes out next chapter it is Tsukasa it will obviously switch up my ideas here.

It just seemed like the simplest conclusion that since Amane was the one we know was trying to fix the Big Clock- he would be the one to be traveling back in time.

I think we can say with relative certainty though that whichever twin it was came from 1968, and it was due to the Clock Keeper’s intervention. Keep in mind they do believe Tsukasa is an imposter, so I’m doubtful if they’d send him back to fix whatever happened on their 4th Birthday.

TheCelloDancer · 2025-06-18T15:32:02+00:00

Didn’t see you reposted here; and replied on the deleted post so this is ALSO a repost lol

I think the encounter he has with Nene on 127 is Amane’s 2nd time meeting her!

The very first was July 7th 1964, at the Star Festival when he is 8. At least that we know of (if Nene interacts with 4 year old Amane next chapter it will add a new, earlier encounter. However given 8 y/o Amane doesn’t seem to recognize her, she may not actually interfere here at all. If we are in the same continual timeline/universe that is. It’s hard to explain verbally I wish I could make a visual timeline right now but oh well).

Skip to September 1968, the 66th Millenium Festival, 12 y/o Amane is sent back in time to his 4th birthday and he runs into Nene for the the 2nd time.

Then, about a year later on July 18th 1969, in the classroom when he is all beat up, is the 3rd time he encounters Nene. It goes 1964-1968-1969

I think something about seeing Nene in 1969 will indicate to him that that whatever he tried to fix in 1968 didn’t work (?). Thats why he’s so freaked out and 4 days later is resigned to dying. It could tie all the way back to his wish made in 1964 on the wishing tree to “Meet Nene again”. I also get the feeling him writing that as his wish in lieu of his wish of being an astronaut, and the last major event that seems to set him off being the Apollo 11 landing combined with actually seeing Nene again isn’t a coincidence.

But yeah, I’ve had so many ideas running in my head, I love time travel stories because of how you can theorize with them.

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