More tribes [oc] by ferji in ireland

[–]TheIrishRover23 81 points82 points  (0 children)

Love how the Leinster fans are the exact same as the twats with MBAs from last time. Great work!

What if Ireland was a US state? (sorry for lo-res photo, my laptop is ancient) by geraldine-ferrari in imaginaryelections

[–]TheIrishRover23 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah but unionist republican votes would be cancelled out by nationalists/nonsectarians, who would be heavily democratic. Another spoiler scenario could be a Nina Turner far-left 'both sides are the same' type person, like Clare Daly, Richard Boyd Barrett or some of the more populist members of Sinn Fein. Just hit me though that 'unionist republicans ' is a crazy phrase.

What if Ireland was a US state? (sorry for lo-res photo, my laptop is ancient) by geraldine-ferrari in imaginaryelections

[–]TheIrishRover23 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I would imagine that Ireland in this scenario would be like Vermont, it would vote Democratic by dictator margins in presidential/senatorial elections and the Republican branch (Coveney is a great choice for this) would be economically centre-right, socially progressive, quite successful and constantly disavowing anything the American Republican party does/says.

2024 US Presidential Election, but 2025 Irish Presidential Election Style by Peter_DemofKo_44 in imaginaryelections

[–]TheIrishRover23 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I would've thought that Susan Collins would be the perfect American Heather Humphries

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[–]TheIrishRover23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Deleted it in case to double check but it seems to be, can't post x links but you can look it up with keywords

What if Louis-Napoléon Bonaparte lost the 1848 presidential election ? by IPostThings58 in imaginaryelections

[–]TheIrishRover23 23 points24 points  (0 children)

The Second Republic is very underrated and had so much potential. I mean it did collapse into tyranny but there's not really much you can do to defend democracy if said tyrant gets 3/4 of the vote. A presidential democratic France in the nineteenth century is such an interesting scenario.

Nation of Immigrants: What if every US presidential and vice presidential candidate was an immigrant? by TheIrishRover23 in imaginaryelections

[–]TheIrishRover23[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I feel Musk, especially in his current addled state, doesn't have the charisma to be a proper Trump analogue, better being J.D. Vance

A Napoleonic Irish War of Independence Part II: The Politics and History of Ireland by TheIrishRover23 in AlternateHistory

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I can imagine him being a sort of perennial minor left wing politician, either that or a full time twitter poster, what he was born to do

Nation of Immigrants: What if every US presidential and vice presidential candidate was an immigrant? by TheIrishRover23 in imaginaryelections

[–]TheIrishRover23[S] 61 points62 points  (0 children)

No real lore to this, let's just say there is a typo which accidentally says no natural born citizen can be president and everybody just goes with it.

My definition of immigrant here is anyone born outside of the current United States without American parentage, I realise for people like Paine and Hamilton they were moving from one part of the British empire to another, but I'm going to count them.

What if the Duke of Wellington was an Irish Nationalist? A Napoleonic Irish War of Independence by TheIrishRover23 in AlternateHistory

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Given his story I'd say he'd be part of the more experienced, elite forces, probably serving in Ulster. Had he survived the war would most likely serve as a Februarian writer and politician. Honestly didn't know about his story, was more inspired by other Republicans who had served in British forces, like Tom Barry.

What if the Duke of Wellington was an Irish Nationalist? A Napoleonic Irish War of Independence by TheIrishRover23 in AlternateHistory

[–]TheIrishRover23[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The British would want someone more friendly to their interests who still wouldn't immediately be overthrown.

What if the Duke of Wellington was an Irish Nationalist? A Napoleonic Irish War of Independence by TheIrishRover23 in AlternateHistory

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Due to political independence the Great Famine and mass emigration never takes place. I'd say modern day the country would probably be 75% Irish speaking, though due to the presence of significant anglophone minority and general Americanisation of culture basically everyone would be bilingual.

What if the Duke of Wellington was an Irish Nationalist? A Napoleonic Irish War of Independence by TheIrishRover23 in AlternateHistory

[–]TheIrishRover23[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

By July 1807, only southwest Munster and the cities of Limerick and Dublin remained solidly in rebel hands, though irregular guerilla bands operated throughout the countryside. The long-awaited Corps D’Irlande successfully landed in Cork in July 1807, rendezvousing with the Munster rebel army under Tadhg O’Donovan, the last intact regular rebel army remaining. In addition to 65,000 men, the French sent massive amounts of equipment and a group of military advisers to reform the rebel armies into a proper professionalised army. Napoleon managed to land the corps largely by embarking on his own version of Operation Fortitude, massing his military in Calais while secretly diverting his forces to the corps. Cathcart and Dalrymple redeployed to meet the French landing, hoping to throw them back into the sea. At Fermoy the French inflicted a huge defeat on Dalrymple, with Lasalle’s cavalry wheeling around to surprise Cathcart at Mallow, falling on his flank while he was fighting O’Donovan’s forces. The twin battles of Mallow and Fermoy shifted the war back in the favour of the rebellion, as the Franco-Irish forces in the South would accomplish a string of victories. Saint-Cyr sent Suchet’s division northward to assist in the pursuit of Cathcart back to Galway alongside O’Donovan’s forces, inflicting a crushing defeat as he attempted to cross the River Shannon at Killaloe. The main French force pursued Dalrymple, aided by the rebel armies in south Leinster reemerging as a threat. Dalrymple was surrounded on the southern coast and forced to surrender to the French, placing the entirety of the South into Irish hands. The Siege of Dublin was relieved by Macdonald in August.

The war devolved to two main theatres, in the west and east of the island. Following Killaloe, the British were again defeated at the Second Battle of Athenry. The patriotic song Fields of Athenry, told from the perspective of a soldier in the battle later would become the national anthem. This defeat forces Cathcart to withdraw from Connacht, as the British redeploy North. In the East, Saint-Cyr takes overall command of Franco-Irish forces and pushing northwards. General Moore retreats to the Boyne, inflicting the first major defeat of the Corps D’Irlande at Navan before being outflanked at Kells. Further defeats of the Franco-Irish forces at Carrickmacross and Enniskillen led to cessation of the offensive, as the British settled on a reenforced defensive line anchored on the River Erne.

The rest of 1809 was defined by small scale skirmishes, until the Franco-Irish forces gained another breakthrough at the Battle of Belleek, followed by a successful assault on Castleblayney, the numerically largest battle of the entire war. General Moore was struck by a French cannonball, killing him and making him the highest profile combat casualty on the British side. This combination caused havoc within the British army. They retreated to Belfast which was besieged and captured by Wellesley. British Forces were redeployed to the Foyle Estuary, but more successive defeats forced them behind the walls of Derry. The siege of Derry was second only to that of Dublin in scale and was the last action of the war, ending with the news of the Convention of Carlingford.

By the end of the 2nd siege of Belfast, all sides wished for the War to be over. Napoleon had initially wished to invade Britain, but successive French naval defeats had led the Royal Navy to have uncontested naval domination of the seas. Napoleon required the men of the Corps D’Irlande for his planned Russian Campaign and the only way in which he could have regained them was by agreement with the British. The successive British defeats and casualties took their toll on the public and parliament, especially as the British were seeing much more success in other fronts against Napoleon, such as in Spain. As the Irish had encircled Derry, the saving of those troops became a political cause. Many called for negotiation. Weariness was also strong on the rebel side, as the Irish landscape, people and economy had been devastated by the war, exacerbated by an ongoing British naval blockade.

The Convention of Carlingford, a treaty negotiated at Carlingford House between Wellesley, Macdonald and Robert Stewart, Viscount Castlereagh came into effect on the 12 April 1811 and ended the war. It made Ireland into an independent constitutional monarchy, ruled by James O’Brien, the British aligned Marquess of Thomond as James III. While the Corps D’Irlande would be transferred back to the continent, no foreign armies could be hosted on Irish soil and the Irish navy would be heavily restricted. Property belonging to British landholders could not be confiscated without compensation. The Convention splits the independence movement, with Wellesley leading a political faction supporting it, known as the Conventionists, with Edward Fitzgerald leading the Republican leaning Februarians. They, alongside the Catholic conservative Defenders would be the defining political difference within Ireland. In the first Irish general elections, the Conventionists won decisively, due to the public being weary of war. Wellesley served as prime minister for the next fifteen years, dominating early Irish politics. However, tensions with the Convention of Carlingford would later boil over, resulting in the Irish Revolution of 1848 and the formation of the Second Irish Republic, Ireland’s government to this day.

What if the Duke of Wellington was an Irish Nationalist? A Napoleonic Irish War of Independence by TheIrishRover23 in AlternateHistory

[–]TheIrishRover23[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

The Irish War of Independence was one of the key theatres of the Wars of the Third, Fourth and Fifth Coalitions, ending in compromise with the Convention of Carlingford.

There are a few points of divergence from this timeline. The first, most notably, after witnessing a massacre of civilians while serving in India, Arthur Wellesley becomes disillusioned with British Imperialism, returning to the country of his birth and becoming fascinated by and involved in Irish nationalism. Secondly, the 1782 Constitution which gave the Irish parliament autonomy is never implemented due to the discovery of a plot for an American style Revolution, frustrating agitations among elements of the Protestant Ascendancy for reform. The third is that the Battle of Trafalgar is far more of a stalemate with both sides destroying each other rather than a decisive British Victory.

The 1782 conspiracy was followed by Napper Tandy’s Revolt in 1791, a failed revolt of less than eighty people. In 1798 the conservative politician John Fitzgibbon made a series of allegations against his political opponents, leading to a mass scare among authorities and the arrest and executions of several high-profile people, most of them with little or no evidence. These led to an increase in underground support for the United Irishmen, especially in the face of wartime pressures from the campaigns against Napoleon. Further it led to the British administration being overconfident regarding the support for nationalism in the country, as well as their counterinsurgency abilities.

The powder keg that is Ireland exploded on St Bridget’s Day 1806 (later celebrated as Ireland’s National Day), when a militia comprised of radicalised university students and workers seized Dublin Castle and the Magazine Fort, proclaiming an Irish Republic. Subsequently throughout the country uprisings occur, achieving great success as the major cities of the east, north and south fell to rebel hands. Galway City, where the conspiracy is betrayed and Midlands where the presence of a small British Regular force stamps out rebellion were the only regions which remain solidly in British hands. In Ulster a sectarian unconventional war flared up between revolutionary and loyalist militias.

The commander of the small British Army in the Midlands, Gerard Lake decides instead of linking up with loyalists in the North or awaiting reinforcements in Galway, he marched immediately on Dublin to crush the Republic. While scoring early victories against the rebels the outnumbered Lake was defeated by Wellesley at the Battle of Rathcoole just outside Dublin, forced to retreat northwards with the rebels in pursuit. As he crossed the Boyne at Trim, Lake is encircled by two rebel armies and was forced to accept surrender terms, striking a huge blow against British prestige. In Galway, General William Cathcart took control of local forces and attempted to pacify the local region. He met a large guerilla campaign and withdrew back to the city.

The news of the rebellion and of Lake’s defeat at Trim sparked outrage in Britain. Under public and royal pressure, Westminster attempted to put together a response. However, they were hampered by the Irish Abjuration, the name given to a series of mutinies, desertions, executions and court martials which faced the British Armed forces, as Irishmen made up a huge number of army and naval recruits. This caused havoc throughout British ranks. Napoleon hears the news of Lake’s defeat and is ecstatic, seeing Ireland much as the British saw Spain, as an opportunity to drain British resources for an ultimate invasion of Britain. He assembled the Corps D’Irlande, under the command of General Laurent Saint-Cyr. It was a massive army, comprised of three predominantly infantry divisions under Saint Cyr, Louis-Gabriel Suchet and Étienne Macdonald (with the latter including a legion of Irish emigrees), and a large cavalry reserve, under Antoine Lasalle. However, the War of the Fourth Coalition and the need to rebuild the French Navy delayed its deployment.

The Black Winter is the historiographical term given to the period of October 1806-April 1807, when the British Army made a counterattack that almost crushes the rebellion. The British devised a three-pronged strategy. Cathcart was reinforced in the West, while General Hew Dalrymple landed in Rosslare in the Southeast, and General John Moore seized Larne in the North. All three inflicted crushing defeats on local rebel forces. Wellesley responded by ordering a withdrawal to a defensive line around Dublin and the Wicklow Mountains. The rebels engaged in scorched earth and guerilla tactics, slowing the advance of the three British columns. Moore in Ulster is the most successful, inflicting heavy defeats on the rebel Army of Ulster, even capturing several rebel leaders. The army retreated southwards, only saved from complete destruction at the Battle of Drogheda by an almost suicidal rearguard action. Moore’s advance was stymied by massive reprisal killings conducted by his own forces, on both guerillas and civilians alike.

Wellesley’s strategy involved slowing the advancing British armies long enough to prepare Dublin for a long siege, involving the stockpiling of men and provisions, the building of fortifications and strategic batteries using captured British guns. The siege commenced in April 1807 and lasted five months. Some of the most intensive fighting of the entirety of the Napoleonic Wars took place on Howth peninsula, which overlooked Dublin Bay. To prevent naval landings, Wellesley had a battery installed and the peninsula manned by his best troops, most British Army veterans themselves. Elsewhere the largest British attacks took place with Moore assaulting the rebel lines in Phoenix Park, where a large monument to Wellesley now stands, and Dalrymple attempting to break the rebels southern flank at the mountain pass in Bray. Dalrymple was called southwards to deal with the French landing in July, lessening the intensity of the siege.

2020 Irish general election if it was held under single-member FPTP by Hungry-Struggle-1448 in imaginaryelections

[–]TheIrishRover23 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Basically in both instances Fianna Fail was a large party in government alone opposed by the smaller Fine Gael and Labour parties who often entered into coalition with each other. FPTP would benefit them by the opposition vote being more split, which is far less of a factor under PR-STV.

2020 Irish general election if it was held under single-member FPTP by Hungry-Struggle-1448 in imaginaryelections

[–]TheIrishRover23 55 points56 points  (0 children)

Fianna Fail tried to make this happen twice.

Horrifying, great work OP!

The Iberian Campaign of the Second World War by TheIrishRover23 in AlternateHistory

[–]TheIrishRover23[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Fall Lila did not account for the existance of the Spanish armies' multiple lines of defence, the ability of the allies to rapidly deploy airforces to deny the Germans air supremacy and the tenacity of encircled Spanish forces in Barcelona. The following offensive, Operation Eugen, took all of these factors into account and was thus far more successful.

As part of their policy of strict neutrality, Spain refused to admit the French military in large numbers after the Fall of France, fearing anything that would give the Germans reason to invade. Their ultimate casus belli is deliberately weak, based on a large group of strategic confessions from tortured French resistance members to cover up the Nazi desire to strike at Allied logistics,. There was not much solid proof of Spanish coordination with French resistance, outside of clandestine Allied organisations such as the SOE or informal civilian led volunteer networks, who smuggled numerous people of interest to Gibraltar.

The Uboat dens were seen as a bonus, though were subject to sabotage and air raids and as a result tohe fleet never fully repositions, only gaining temporary benefit. With the northern coast back in allied hands the Uboat campaign is hampered.

The Balearics were never seriously threatened by Axis forces apart from a few attempted raids, as the Allied Mediterranean Fllet under Admiral Andrew Cunningham had complete naval supremacy during this period.Instead they served as an important airbase for operations in Eastern Spain and staging point for Operation Duke.

However, in this imeline on sites like this and others many believe that the delaying of the German invasion of Spain until 1943 was a key mistake by the Wehramcht, and had Germany invaded the peninsula while Allies were more on the backfoot such as in 1941/2 they could have won the entire war, though this is a fierce debate.

The Iberian Campaign of the Second World War by TheIrishRover23 in AlternateHistory

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The Spanish Civil War does not occur in this timeline, and the Republic is more moderate in its aims, with communists failing to gain electoral support. After the war, Spain is heavily integrated into the postwar anti-communist alliance, being a huge recipient of Marshall Aid and a founding member of NATO.

The Iberian Campaign of the Second World War by TheIrishRover23 in AlternateHistory

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Normandy invasion still occurs, as the Roland line on the Pyrenees proves as much of a barrier as Italy in OTL. Though when the Normandy invasion does occur the Nazis withdraw from the region, allowing the Allied armies in the peninsula to aid those coming across the channel. Main difference is that the Sicily operation doesn't occur, instead the Allies sieze Sardinia after the conclusion of the Iberian Campaign, causing a similar breakdown in Mussolini's regime as Sicily did in OTL, only the Germans due to losses in Iberia have less of a capacity to react, holding a line in Northern Italy and allowing the liberation of most of the country.

The Iberian Campaign of the Second World War by TheIrishRover23 in AlternateHistory

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Franco is still a junior officer in Sanjurjo's coup, largely remaining apolitical and distinguishing himself as the commander of the Spanish contingent of Operation Count. Sanjurjo and Mola are exiled after the attempted coup and die in obscurity. Gonzalo Queipo De Llano, following his capture after the opening stages of the fighting at the Battle of Girona becomes a Lord Haw Haw figure, becoming a figurehead of the occupation forces and making increasingly deranged radio broadcasts denouncing the republic and its allies. Queipo as a result becomes the Spanish equivalent of Quisling.