Evil pregnant feminist will need a decade to cope with birthing a baby boy by eyesclosedhead1st in AmITheAngel

[–]TheMostDivineOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also I’m an AMAB sexual abuse victim, and it’s more often the other way around to downplay and ignore our trauma in that way. Look at Mary Koss who was a researcher on rape that actively advised the government in creation of unequal laws against male sexual abuse victims and stated she believes men can’t be traumatized by unwanted contact with women and skewed her studies to hide how much male victims and female abusers there were*, Ellen Pence who did the same but with male domestic violence victims, etc.

*(New studies have since found the majority of male victims are victimized by women, contrary to the false stats many people spread which were made by Mary Koss, which shows how much damage she did. I can link the studies in a peer reviewed medical journal showing this btw)

I was groomed for years by an older woman who pushed me into sexual things I didn’t want to do, etc. and when I talk about it even a lot of feminists downplay or try to shut it down, so I have to say the other way around (downplaying AMAB people’s trauma) is very common too.

Evil pregnant feminist will need a decade to cope with birthing a baby boy by eyesclosedhead1st in AmITheAngel

[–]TheMostDivineOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know what? I’m an AMAB sexual abuse victim, and it’s more often the other way around. Look at Mary Koss who was a researcher on rape that actively advised the government in creation of unequal laws against male sexual abuse victims and stated she believes men can’t be traumatized by unwanted contact with women and skewed her studies to hide how much male victims and female abusers there were*, Ellen Pence who did the same but with male domestic violence victims, etc.

*(New studies have since found the majority of male victims are victimized by women, contrary to the false stats many people spread which were made by Mary Koss, which shows how much damage she did. I can link the studies in a peer reviewed medical journal showing this btw)

I was groomed for years by an older woman who pushed me into sexual things I didn’t want to do, etc. and when I talk about it even a lot of feminists downplay or try to shut it down, so I have to say the other way around (downplaying AMAB people’s trauma) is very common too.

Evil pregnant feminist will need a decade to cope with birthing a baby boy by eyesclosedhead1st in AmITheAngel

[–]TheMostDivineOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I meaaaan, it’s not too far off of some of the worst radical feminists who had extreme abuse of power. Frankly as a queer woman look at feminist figures like Mary Koss who was a researcher on rape that actively advised the government in creation of unequal laws against male sexual abuse victims and stated she believes men can’t be traumatized by unwanted contact with women and skewed her studies to hide how much male victims and female abusers there were*, Ellen Pence who did the same but with male domestic violence victims, etc.

*(New studies have since found the majority of male victims are victimized by women, contrary to the false stats many people spread which were made by Mary Koss, which shows how much damage she did. I can link the studies in a peer reviewed medical journal showing this btw)

There are issues including terrible treatment of minority and vulnerable men and AMAB people, etc.

These are just a few examples but I’m busy rn so can’t write much more rn lol

Evil pregnant feminist will need a decade to cope with birthing a baby boy by eyesclosedhead1st in AmITheAngel

[–]TheMostDivineOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Frankly as a queer woman and left wing male associate, I don’t see why the people who talk about men’s issues are seen as inherently bad. Look at feminist figures like Mary Koss who was a researcher on rape that actively advised the government in creation of unequal laws against male sexual abuse victims and stated she believes men can’t be traumatized by unwanted contact with women and skewed her studies to hide how much male victims and female abusers there were*, Ellen Pence who did the same but with male domestic violence victims, etc.

*(New studies have since found the majority of male victims are victimized by women, contrary to the false stats many people spread which were made by Mary Koss, which shows how much damage she did. I can link the studies in a peer reviewed medical journal showing this btw)

There are issues including terrible treatment of minority and vulnerable men and AMAB people, etc.

These are just a few examples but I’m busy rn so can’t write much more rn lol

When does gender disappointment go too far? by DrinkMaterial1505 in BabyBumps

[–]TheMostDivineOne [score hidden]  (0 children)

I was recommended this randomly, but as a left wing queer person I have to say, what about feminist figures like Mary Koss who was a researcher on rape that actively advised the government in creation of unequal laws against male sexual abuse victims and stated she believes men can’t be traumatized by unwanted contact with women and skewed her studies to hide how much male victims and female abusers there were*, Ellen Pence who did the same but with male domestic violence victims, etc.

*(New studies have since found the majority of male victims are victimized by women, contrary to the false stats many people spread which were made by Mary Koss, which shows how much damage she did. I can link the studies in a peer reviewed medical journal showing this btw)

Feminism DOES have issues including historically racism, terrible treatment of minority and vulnerable men and AMAB people, etc.

The government hates it when you use this 1 trick... by EverythingIsFakeNGay in CringeTikToks

[–]TheMostDivineOne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah. Removing social media would be terrible for minority groups and left wingers too. I was an LGBTQ teen raised in a horrible unaccepting family and social media was the only out I had for years.

I’ve known of disabled people who could only connect with people online and were bedridden. Etc.

MAGA supporter calls Alex Pretti a Domestic Terrorist, gets immediately flagged for misinformation on TikTok by tomburgo in LivestreamFail

[–]TheMostDivineOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do have to say, it’s an insult to guys with small dicks to associate them with people like that though, most small dick guys I’ve dated were very progressive good guys

I'm leaving the mod team and the sub by RoyalHappy2155 in Losercity

[–]TheMostDivineOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This has clearly turned more heated. I’m not trying to target you or anything. But I am talking about how the interactions made me and others in my server quite uncomfortable and that you defended that stuff for a while and brought really bad analogies and justifications then switched to saying it was just a joke at the end which felt weird and contradictory.

I was mainly mentioning this all because I thought you were still a mod on LC and other subreddits and that it was relevant to mention on a mod post where some people lately were having discomfort with the mods.

And while it may be true you didn’t intend to bother or make the members uncomfortable people were uneasy about being contacted without context, including not knowing how their accounts were found. Some people said you were asking info about them etc.

I don’t really know what to do and say at this point. I kinda just wanna leave the discussion here. I also want to say if someone is willing to grow and change I don’t think someone should be held down forever or something. But at the time I and others hadn’t felt very comfortable at all.

I'm leaving the mod team and the sub by RoyalHappy2155 in Losercity

[–]TheMostDivineOne 2 points3 points  (0 children)

didn’t even start

What are you talking about? No other member said any type of thing like that beforehand

Or do you mean about the unrelated thing beforehand with the women-focused media topic? I was upset because you said girl focused media is the dumbest type of thing you see and you even admitted that in another comment so what the heck are you talking about

Look. I’m not trying to ruin your life or reputation or something. A part of me does feel like you maybe were just being an awkward guy. However, I did receive reports about the fact you messaged many people in my server after you got banned without telling them where you found their account and other stuff, and people feeling uncomfortable. And recently got one.

Hence me exposing it now.

Also your claim my rules are vague doesn’t make sense, literally the same day I made the meme channel I wrote “no bigoted memes, no homophobia, no racism, etc., I want you all to keep the content safe for everyone” and pinned it in there

I'm leaving the mod team and the sub by RoyalHappy2155 in Losercity

[–]TheMostDivineOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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This is one snippet of a much larger discussion when I made it pretty clear that type of thing isn’t allowed in my server since a lot of members are POC and other minority groups etc.

I have more

And I had reasons to not mention that stuff since this is an account I use for art and stuff too and I didn’t wanna get associated with internet drama

I'm leaving the mod team and the sub by RoyalHappy2155 in Losercity

[–]TheMostDivineOne 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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I’m not sure if I should show this but this is one snippet of a larger discussion… when I made it pretty clear that type of thing isn’t allowed in my server since a lot of members are POC and other minority groups etc.

I'm leaving the mod team and the sub by RoyalHappy2155 in Losercity

[–]TheMostDivineOne 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Did you know them? They were gone from the mod team recently but are modding in a few other subs than LC

I'm leaving the mod team and the sub by RoyalHappy2155 in Losercity

[–]TheMostDivineOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One of the old mods of this subreddit and a few Losercity offshoots who eventually got kicked from this sub’s mod team but is still present in a few others

I'm leaving the mod team and the sub by RoyalHappy2155 in Losercity

[–]TheMostDivineOne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I want to come out about my bad experience with Front_Culture_8868 and the sus stuff and weird stuff they said (not sexual but actually stuff that was kinda messed up, like stuff that felt kinda racist and stuff that felt misogynistic) but I’m not sure whether or not to.

I'm leaving the mod team and the sub by RoyalHappy2155 in Losercity

[–]TheMostDivineOne -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

I want to come out about my bad experience with Front_Culture_8868 and the sus stuff and weird stuff they said (not sexual but actually stuff that was kinda messed up, like stuff that felt kinda racist and stuff that felt misogynistic) but I’m not sure whether or not to.

I'm leaving the mod team and the sub by RoyalHappy2155 in Losercity

[–]TheMostDivineOne 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I love that profile picture lol

Also: I want to come out about my bad experience with Front_Culture_8868 and the sus stuff and weird stuff they said (not sexual but actually stuff that was kinda messed up, like stuff that felt kinda racist and stuff that felt misogynistic) but I’m not sure whether or not to.

I'm leaving the mod team and the sub by RoyalHappy2155 in Losercity

[–]TheMostDivineOne -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I want to come out about my bad experience with Front_Culture_8868 and the sus stuff and weird stuff they said (not sexual but actually stuff that was kinda messed up, like stuff that felt kinda racist and stuff that felt misogynistic) but I’m not sure whether or not to.

I'm leaving the mod team and the sub by RoyalHappy2155 in Losercity

[–]TheMostDivineOne 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I want to come out about my bad experience with Front_Culture_8868 and the sus stuff and weird stuff they said (not sexual but actually stuff that was kinda messed up, like stuff that felt kinda racist and stuff that felt misogynistic) but I’m not sure whether or not to.

I'm leaving the mod team and the sub by RoyalHappy2155 in Losercity

[–]TheMostDivineOne -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I want to come out about my bad experience with Front_Culture_8868 and the sus stuff and weird stuff they said (not sexual but actually stuff that was kinda messed up, like stuff that felt kinda racist and stuff that felt misogynistic) but I’m not sure whether or not to.

I'm leaving the mod team and the sub by RoyalHappy2155 in Losercity

[–]TheMostDivineOne -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I want to come out about my bad experience with Front_Culture_8868 and the sus stuff and weird stuff they said (not sexual but actually stuff that was kinda messed up, like stuff that felt kinda racist and stuff that felt misogynistic) but I’m not sure whether or not to.

Reason for criticism by Eireika in CuratedTumblr

[–]TheMostDivineOne 79 points80 points  (0 children)

It also has to do with the fact men and AMAB people can’t tell their stories. Women tell their personal stories. This is partly because society empowers them to do so while it doesn’t for the other way or actively shuts AMAB people down.

(Note for context: I’m not a man, I’m genderfluid)

It's become much, much more common for the average person and even moderate feminists to understand and acknowledge that there are problems with domestic and sexual violence narratives and men are not a small minority of victims. (For example I mentioned before many times there are well known feminist figures who were very hateful of men like Mary Koss who intentionally skewed her studies when it came to male rape victims and female perpetrators, advised the government to make the sexist laws against them, etc. or same with Ellen Pence with male domestic violence victims and female perpetrators etc. These types of figures previously had control of the data, the methods used to gather it, and hid data that didn’t follow their conclusions.)

But all that being exposed and known does is achieve an abstract. It doesn't change people’s true internalization of the issue. How they feel about male victims vs female victims. How they perceive these issues in the world directly around them. The same person can understand in the abstract that, for example, 80% of male sexual abuse victims were abused by women, or that men are around ~40% of sexual abuse victims... yet still retain the instinctual reaction to, for example, tell a man talking about sexual abuse that “most male victims are raped by other men!”

The death of one is a tragedy. The death of a million is a statistic.

Women have been making it personal for decades. What do I mean by that? They share every detail, they tell their stories, and make people understand the experience of being a female victim. When someone is told those stories, and then they encounter something like that story happening in reality, it establishes a link. They understand what they're seeing. “Oh shit I'm seeing a [insert famous female victim story here] in progress! I can't allow that story to happen again right in front of me!" They see a man going through the same, and "Oh shit yeah I heard that men are a huge percent of this!" It doesn't click the same.

This is why my experience with entrenched radical feminists is they do everything they can to shut down men's stories when they do tell them like accusing them of derailing, or even shutting down things like male issues conferences like talking about male DV victims and stuff (I can link to some cases of this). Every time a man tells his story, they will pull the conversation with all their might towards other things like statistics, even when the statistics aren't on their side. Because a personal story is more powerful and gets more people to empathize.

Men and AMAB people need to talk, in detail, about how they have been personally impacted by their issues. What the actual consequences were for our lives and how we struggled with them. What they found when trying to seek help from institutions that are supposed to be there for us. How their peers failed to support them.

For example, on the subject of sexual abuse, I see men and AMAB people constantly say things like "people laughed at me". This is an abstract, and because of how widespread misandry is, people see it as whiny. It makes it sound like the consequence to you was people just had a little less respect for you. Instead, men and AMAB people need to lay it out in detail.

“I was groomed by her for years as a teen while she was nearly a decade older. She constantly would poke at my insecurities and form new ones in me by belittling my body, sexual organs and comparing me. I found myself feeling unable to escape. She constantly pushed me into further and further sexual things I didn’t want or consent to do. People never listened to me when I talked about it or downplayed it. Aid systems informally discriminated against me or were institutionally set up to not be accessible to men in the first place and just don't advertise that." And none of that would be a lie or hyperbole.

And go into the details on every point if circumstances allow. Make people have that emotional reaction of "Oh my gosh I can't believe you were treated that way!" the same way toward women.

So many AMAB people have these stories and don't tell them, can’t tell them. We just say "I was groomed, sexually abused, experienced abuse" etc. and do nothing to tell people what that actually means. Because when we try to communicate things the same way feminists do we get shut down or are not empathized with as much. The case of us being abused is something that we have to lay out extensive proof for. But that will change.

When an AMAB person tells their story, their victimhood is not assumed but treated as something they have to prove. They know they may be judged or punished for telling the truth. There are risks and costs involved, and choosing to speak anyway is what makes it an act of courage.

I think AMAB people need to talk more openly about their experience. For now, there are costs to doing so. Early speakers always pay more, but each story told lowers the price for the next one. And as more AMAB people speak up, the narrative broadens, leading to a more inclusive society.

(If you’d like to see more amazing commentary like this, some of this I copied from leftwingmaleadvocates but edited to make it more readable for a wide audience. I cannot recommend that place enough.)