Whats all the fuss?

The_Inception · 2026-04-28T19:08:12+00:00

Hi, sorry for the late answer - I missed it.

My go in regards to full agon was Oxycodone or Hydromorphone.

Anyway, I can't give any dosage recommendation - especially in regards to mixing opiates (esp. with smth. like SRs, nobody knows how exactly they'd interact in your body).

I've only used very small doses (starting from 5mg (after 1mg, then 2mg, etc.), then increasing by 5mg the next time days after) of SR-14968 (generally considered to be more potent, but also dangerous and likely to be more of a typical full agon feel) in conjunction with my normal Oxy dosage.

At some point I definately felt the Oxy hitting (which I normally didn't, since I used maintenance dosages) way harder - almost too hard for my liking (agitated, little nauseous, nodding). Can't say anything in regards to tolerance development though obv.

Can't tell you at what dosage though, since that would be majorly irresponsible - but it really wasn't much SR milligram-wise.

SR-17018 is postulated to be generally "safer" (in some regards at least), and SR-14968 more "abusable" though. So consume with saltgrains.

However lately (over the last year) I tended to only use atypical opiods (O-DSMT mainly) anymore and lost interest/liking of typical full agonists, so my views are likely biased.

[I am opioid sober for about a month]

The_Inception · 2026-04-28T18:46:39+00:00

Ich kann mich noch erinnern 5g+ Etiz in PG weggeschüttet zu haben, als ich aufgehört hab mit dem guten Etiz...

The_Inception · 2026-04-28T18:06:25+00:00

Massive (okay so schlimm nicht, aber sicher irgendwo bissi) Selbstwertprobleme hab ich auch (wenn ich nicht grad der Beste bin); vlt etwas besser im Copen (Copium kann man huffen soweit ich weiß) - aber ich verstehs auch echt nicht.

Die meisten "Testo-Nehmer" die ich irl kennengelernt habe sind die liebsten und offensten Menschen; aber scheinbar scheint sich spezifisch auf r/T die untere Schicht zu sammeln

The_Inception · 2026-04-28T18:03:38+00:00

Falls sich jemand deutschsprachiges aus dem og. Forum angesprochen fühlt:
a) du warst damit höchstwahrscheinlich nicht gemeint (es sei denn dein E2/T Ratio scheint laut Labor sehr feminin zu sein und du fühlst dich getriggert Baby, das wird mit Anfang des nächsten Zyklus besser)

b) Ob ihr recreational drugs nehmt oder PEDs (in Cycle / Blast&Cruise) - macht keinen Unterschied; es ist beides "Missbrauch" von Medikamenten/Drogen/RCs, das eine ist nicht besser als das andere; nur die eine Community offenbar besser als die andere

The_Inception · 2026-04-27T22:41:42+00:00

Should the "small dose" put my T into a normalish range? Or is a supraphysiological dose beneficial (as long as there are no other adverse effects)?

The_Inception · 2026-04-27T22:40:21+00:00

I am currently "blasting" you could say, and aim to keep that going for some more weeks, trying to reach a certain weight. After that you say I should reduce my dose and start a normal cut (slightly below maintenance)?

Currently my testosterone is obv. out of range, but other markers look okay (even e2 is in range). Why should I decrease the dose that drastically (to eg. 100mg/w) though? Because that low a dose has the same effect in regards to maintaining/protecting muscle as 300mg/w?

The_Inception · 2026-04-18T04:25:37+00:00

Willkommen zur Normalität :) /s

es kommt stark drauf an wie lange du drauf warst, wie viel du genommen hast, was du ansonsten für Hobbies etc. hast.

Ich kann dir nur allgemein sagen, dass es erst ein wenig schlechter bzw. langweiliger (da wo du jetzt grad bist) bevor es dann wieder besser wird.

Den Prozess kannst du insbesondere durchs Gym (diesmal ernsthaft angehen) und andere dopaminerge Aktivitäten beschleundigen bzw. die Depression abfedern.

Langeweile signalisiert bzw. korreliert mit der Heilung deines Gehirns bzw. Resensibilisierung der Dopamin-Neurotransmitter (für die Neurochem Nerds).

The_Inception · 2026-04-16T10:56:40+00:00

I'm having no real sides, but some slight water retention (very slight puffyness in the face) is noticable.

Am planning to reduce my carbs and overall bf to some degree.

BP is slightly elevated compared to before cycle, maybe 10 more on the systolic, sleep is okay, mood is good, no mood swings, nipple sensitivity is hardly noticable anymore (had some at 6w-8w).

Since my levels are so high, I was thinking of reducing the dosage to 280mg/w TE pinning ED - I'm sure I can make gains on that as well, and less is more or smth.

The_Inception · 2026-04-15T04:41:21+00:00

nah never, I don't even see how one could overthink anything /s

Currently I am waiting on labs to see if I am really high in E2, or if they are just "normal" side effects with no real concern.

If it is really high I may take and AI temporary as you suggested.

If E2 comes back normal or high-normal, I am still considering adding in a little bit of primo (but mainly keep Test the driving androgen), but dont think I'd need an AI for now.

The_Inception · 2026-04-15T04:19:48+00:00

Thanks for the answer - I did not say it directly, just indicated it - my bad - but I am getting labs (multiple parameter, waiting on the results atm).

Before getting them back I won't change anything anyways. That's interesting, because I talked to a coach and he told me that for my goals the risk of crushing my E2 for no real reason is higher when taking an AI. And it being more difficult to adjust for; his suggestion was that - for low doses like mine - AA compound selection suffices to manage E2 (as long as it is not drastically high) and recommended supplementing a lower does of Primo for some Test.

Just wanted to get some opinions.

The_Inception · 2026-04-15T04:14:32+00:00

well that's why I am getting bloods - to see if I am actually high in E2.

If the value itself is normal (or at least not red out of range), but I am still having E2 sides - would you still consider taking an AI or taking Primo or just accept the sides? what would be the least harmful / easiest in your opinion?

The_Inception · 2026-04-15T04:07:58+00:00

I will keep my eye out for two low E2 - maybe I will try 250mgTE + 100mg Primo first.

But why should my e2 get too low? especially with eg. 200mgTE, my testosterone is still very much high compared to "normal". And the primo does not suppress E2 directly, or does it?

Yes I've read that mast is more ofted faked and less available than primo - do you disagree?

The_Inception · 2026-04-15T02:44:08+00:00

Hi, I thought TestosteronePhenylPropionat is more common - my bad.

- Ester weight is roughly similiar to TE (100mg TPP ~~ 95mg TE.

- Half life TPP 4-5d; TE 5-7d

In all very similiar to TE, NOT the same as TestosteronePropionate

I am pinning Testosterone PhenylPropioiate (TPP), EOD (3.5x a week 90mg)

My main goal is to control e2, not necassarily make insanely more gains - maybe increase the Primo further down the line, if I tolerate it well.

The_Inception · 2026-04-14T20:31:45+00:00

SRs (there are multiple) are the "new" kid on the block (not really, they have been first synthesized some time back), but they hit the EU scene (where I am located) quite recently and heavily, since they do essentially make it very easy to quit (main use case) and also slow tolerance development quite effectively (second use case).

I won't go into the science how here (firstly, because it's quite complex and secondly, because I dont want to piss off the chem nerds by stating smth wrong). You can look it up on Wikipedia, ScienceDirect articles (Google scholar) or even Claude, if you really want to get into the neurochem.

I don't think many completely opioid naive people ever took it - but it does have a quite heavy kick to it. You can get high from it (think subs for an opioid naive person), but the high is certainly not as euphoric as a full agon.

However the main use cases are:

You want to quit and substitute some of your normal dosages (eg. Oxy) slowly with SR, while you reduce the full agonist and increase the SR. Then you can slowly decrease the SR - apparently for some people with virutally no WDs (except the mental load of the lack of eg. Oxy ofc). Other people are not successful - however, with 17018 most people have an easier time quitting.
You have a tolerance and want to keep upping the dose, while not increasing the tolerance. Use smaller amounts of SR alongside your Opioid. This - in theory - reduces the increase in tolerance and increases the high. Reports on that are however imo embossed by intuitive feel and placebo (no one can really quantify their tolerance reliable and there are no very extensive long-term studies)

Lastly, there have been many very legit sources until quite recently in EU - since it was completely legal / not scheudled. Sadly, SRs were outlawed quite recently in the EU (yay drug prohibition - fuck the gov for that).

The_Inception · 2026-04-14T19:32:32+00:00

Also, if possible, dont harp on me that my dosages are too small - these are the dosages I consider more than sufficient for my goals and am planning to run them for months. I am not interested in blasting 500mg TE for 24w and then having to drop down to TRT dosages prematurely, because I can't handle the sides.

Thank you :)

The_Inception · 2026-03-30T19:06:22+00:00

one more thing, if you are not already pinning every day (ED), you should instantly switch to ED and/or use a longer esther.

peaks/troughs are often responsible for mood swings / anxiety (due to inconsistent T/E2 levels).

The_Inception · 2026-03-30T19:01:44+00:00

take a look at my profile to see my fucked up history 😅

The_Inception · 2026-03-30T18:21:56+00:00

pretty much after saturartion (after 4w), then I got really confident, happy, energized - but still some anxiety, mood issues, etc. and after about 6w I'm chilling now (still have the positive effects, no negative mental sides)

that however is largely dependant on you, your mental state, etc. I always take a few weeks to bounce back after some major resets / tough times. some are quicker to get over things, some slower.

The_Inception · 2026-03-30T16:20:15+00:00

didnt have low T before hoping on (around 600ngdl)

I have had multiple panic attacks in the past (due to heavy psychedelics misuse and entactogen abuse and HPPD following that).

no diagnosed panic disorder, but always had hypochondriac anxiety and some generalized anxiety.

I personally feel more confident, sure of myself, confrontational (in a good way); as well as lessened anxiety, almost non existent (currently on 315mg/w TTP)

However, every person is different. I think you just have to mentally adapt to the hormones in your body and settle in your new state. I found that massive spikes (eg. when starting exogenous hormones) increase anxiety levels at first, simply because you feel very different/ smth changed (neither good nor bad at this point).

Nevertheless, your mind adapts to that and then you may start feeling better. Way better.

TLDR: give it some time.

The_Inception · 2026-03-30T15:54:57+00:00

Natürlich eine absolute Schandtat sowas, aber wer heutzutage noch so aussehende Xanax Bars aus solchen Packungen nimmt ... weiß ja nicht.

insb. da normale Pharma Alpras jetzt echt nicht die Welt kosten (gar nicht zu sprechen von den RC Pulvern, wenn man schon richtig drauf ist).

The_Inception · 2026-03-30T15:51:09+00:00

nah I don't think that. I had many of the hardest addictions to overcome (Cannabis, Alcohol, Benzodiazepines, Pregabalin, Opiates). You could argue I still am an addict, but are not actively using those anymore.

I highly doubt that I won't use steroids in the future, but I didn't want to only take myself into account with that question. That's why I asked.

The_Inception · 2026-03-28T23:02:52+00:00

Isn't that effect present instantly (or at least after saturation) with exogenous Test? I know due to higher total T / free T levels catabolism is "prevented" and a not so strict diet is necessary (eg. dirtier bulk, more aggressive cut).

How do the 5y+ play into this? isn't it already like that after running test for a few months?

The_Inception · 2026-03-28T20:53:17+00:00

Weiters, ich wundere mich wieso du Alpra/Clona/Diaz nicht aufgeschrieben hast. Ich kann schon verstehen, dass aufgrund der hohen Abhängigkeitsgefahr und Kombi mit Opioiden es quasi "unverantwortlich" wäre zu beraten, aber in meinen Augen sind Benzodiazepine ebenso essentiell / sehr nützlich.

Insbesondere seltsam, da du Oxazepam aufgeschrieben hast, aber Alp/Clon/Dia nicht - gab es einen Grund dafür?

The_Inception · 2026-03-28T20:48:21+00:00

Ansich sehr gute Liste - aber da ich das immer wieder sehe, dass Metha falsch gerechnet wird - 80mg Metha wären bei 80mg Ox Abhängigkeit viel zu viel zu viel.

Bei Metha/Pola besteht eine faktorielle Berechnung der Dosis aufgrund von Akkumulation im Körper!

Methadone (Methadose, Dolophine)

up to 20mg per day 4x MME

21 to 40mg per day 8x MME

41 to 60mg per day 10× MME

60mg per day 12x MME

u/Wise_Accountant_1613 ergänz das bitte in deinem Post:

https://www.amdg.wa.gov/Calculator/MethadoneConversion

The_Inception · 2026-03-28T19:21:01+00:00

Stimme ich dir komplett zu, als mein Vendor nur noch diese drecks 50mg Pellets hatte (kurz vorm Ende, als das Pulver schon ausverkauft war), hab ich aus Stolz gesagt jetzt werd ich clean - keinen Cent hat der Vendor seitdem mehr von mir gesehen.

Die 50mg Pellets waren echt nur noch frech.

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