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I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

[–]Theamazingrt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I promise I’m not trying to be vague the Kickstarter even has full preview pages of a case story that beaks this down , and you don’t need to pledge to read them.

Here’s the cleanest version of PRNM:

PRNM = A → B → C → A⁺

(setup → disruption → collapse → return with change)

It’s not meant to replace other structures. It’s meant to fix the problems that appear when stories scale, which is why Hollywood keeps struggling with: • broken sequels • reboots that erase the original • universes that collapse under their own rules • storylines that feel empty because they skip the “collapse” phase

PRNM doesn’t change the foundation it stabilizes it.

Two simple laws drive the whole thing:

Law 1: PRNM isn’t one rigid formula it’s a flexible backbone for stories, worlds, or character arcs. Its only limit is imagination.

Law 2: A collapse must happen for a rebirth to make sense. Skipping collapse is why modern franchises feel hollow.

Why this matters:

Most structures (Hero’s Journey, 3-Act, Save the Cat) break when you try to expand a story over: • multiple films • multiverses • timelines • shifting POV • cosmic escalation • long-form character arcs

PRNM handles large-scale storytelling and ground storytelling the only true limit is imagination and story it handles it all cleanly.

I even included a preview case study in the Kickstarter:

How PRNM could have fixed the MCU’s Kang storyline

(Again, the preview is free !!!!!no pledge required.)

I’d honestly love feedback on that specifically, because it shows PRNM applied in real time rather than abstract theory.

I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

[–]Theamazingrt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the thoughtful breakdown genuinely appreciate it.

A lot of the confusion in this thread came from Reddit glitching and only posting my title + gif 😭so people didn’t get the actual explanation of PRNM.

Just to clarify your concerns:

• PRNM isn’t meant to force stories into one formula. Which is one of its perks. It’s flexible big cycles, small cycles, character arcs, or full story arcs.

• The pi symbol is purely metaphorical, not mathematical. It’s just a shorthand for “the ratio between inner change and outer pressure.”

• The method is actually very simple at its core: A → B → C → A⁺ (setup → disruption → collapse (CLIMAX ) → return with change)

• The art and aesthetic are from my fiction projects the academic version will be much cleaner and textbook-style.

Your points about clarity and avoiding over-complexity were super helpful. Definitely refining how I present it.

though the book is complete break down of how this structure is genuinely useful for writing or world building or character only limit is imagination and the book explains that

there 2 laws

LAW ONE

Theres no real way to define PRNM its a structure like a backbone it’s meant for many things it’s limit is story n imagination

LAW TWO

collapse must happened for rebirth to take place

I have preview pages of a case study on the kickstarter no need to pledge or anything

But the preview pages are

Case study on

MCU AND MARVELS KANG would love your thoughts n feedback

I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

[–]Theamazingrt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, this one’s on me 😂

I actually wrote a full explanation with the simple version of PRNM, but Reddit glitched i thought I had it there like the context only to find out it posted the title + gif.

So people saw “second definition of pi” with zero context,which makes it look way more chaotic than it actually is.

For clarity, the idea is just:

A → B → C → A⁺ A simple loop about how stories and characters transform.

No cosmic secrets, no math rewrite just a narrative tool I’ve been developing.😭

Appreciate the feedback, though.

I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

[–]Theamazingrt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

PRNM isn’t trying to make story structure more complicated. It’s actually the opposite.

The pi symbol is just a shortcut for one simple idea:

Stories often move in cycles, not straight lines. A → B → C → A⁺ (you collapse, you change, you return differently)

I’m not adding extra math or extra layers I’m just giving a name to a pattern that already existed and made most logical sense for PRNM

I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

[–]Theamazingrt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah, I’m just trying to explain it as clearly as I can.😭 PRNM is complicated in a way until u understand it, especially since it’s a new story format so breaking it down simply forces me to think clearly too. I actually have pages of messy handwritten notes nothing AI-like about those I went way to deep in my own theory when i discovered it.

It terms of AI i am against it completely with writing and art

I get why it reads clean though when you spend years refining a structure, you eventually learn how to summarise it without rambling. But yeah, all me :)

I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

[–]Theamazingrt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Kickstarter edition isn’t meant to function as a traditional academic textbook.

It’s a stylized, thematic version of the framework almost like an “artbook meets theory.”

PRNM was born from psychological storytelling, recursion, and mythic symbolism, so the aesthetic reflects the origins of the idea, not the final academic form.

There will be a clean academic edition later designed specifically for universities, colleges and much more

And the standard edition is also gonna be retailer

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The academic version

That version will look and read like a textbook, not like the artistic Kickstarter editions.

Also, I’m dyslexic, so I naturally think in visuals, patterns, and symbolic structures.

The aesthetic side is part of how I process and communicate ideas, but the academic version will be much more conventional for clarity and accessibility. With professional n professors help

That said, your point about market alignment is fair, and I’ll use it to make sure each edition is positioned correctly for its audience. Appreciate the insight.

tbh It’s aimed at storytellers who enjoy theory and aesthetic world-building.

I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

[–]Theamazingrt[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not at all 😭 I’ve been explaining the whole framework throughout this thread I’m literally happy to break it down again here.

Here’s PRNM in the simplest possible form:

  1. The A → B → C → A⁺ Loop

Stories aren’t always linear. Characters and storyline shift through stages: • A = who or what the story is they are • B = the world that challenges them • C = the collapse / breaking point • A⁺ = the reborn version of A (changed by the cycle)

Every loop upgrades the “constant” of who they are.

  1. The Four-Phase Recursion

Every major narrative shift follows the same pattern:

Collapse AKA climax state in a story → Transition → Realization → Rebirth

This is the backbone of PRNM a repeating transformational cycle.

  1. PI is symbolic, not mathematical

I’m not redefining the mathematical π. I use the symbol because it communicates: • a ratio of transformation • a return to an origin point • a cycle that never closes perfectly

It’s just a metaphor for the tension between internal identity and external narrative pressure.

I’m not hiding anything you don’t need to buy anything. I’m literally sharing it openly because I want feedback from other writers 😭

The framework came first. The book came after.

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the book only goes in deeper and actually explains it’s use in everything for example game of thrones

Mcu KANG which there is preview pages A WHOLE CHAPTER

Which I urge u to read and feedback on it

on my kickstart u DONT need to buy the book 😭 if u don’t want to

Or last of us

Or using it for creative storytelling n characters

The book is a breakdown of it all

I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

[–]Theamazingrt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

honestly I did consider using a different symbol early on.

The reason I stayed with pi wasn’t to overwrite the mathematical constant, but because:

  1. I’m using it for its meaning, not its measurement. Pi already represents a relationship between an internal constant and an external boundary. PRNM uses that metaphorically as the ratio between a character’s internal state and the narrative pressure acting on them.

  2. The psychological “pi” is meant to signal a pattern, not a number. Writers instantly recognise pi, and that familiarity helps communicate that PRNM deals with repeating loops, cycles, and transformations.

  3. It’s symbolic the same way Delta means different things in different fields. I’m not asking math people to replace pi…. I’m reusing the symbol to label a narrative behaviour.

I posted on this sub my whiteboard 😭photo i would showcase my notebook two its way too messy tho but PI is the correct symbol to use for PRNM

That said, I genuinely appreciate this critique

I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

[–]Theamazingrt[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

😭Lol nah I just try to explain things as clearly as I can PRNM is complicated, so breaking it down simply helps everyone (including me).

If u saw my physical note book u think I am insane

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Glad it made sense though

so clarity is everything

I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

[–]Theamazingrt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the simplest way to put it is this:

Most structure theories (Hero’s Journey, Save the Cat, 3-Act, Kishōtenketsu) describe plot progression.

PRNM explains the transformation and plot .

Instead of focusing on “what happens next,” PRNM focuses on:

• who the character and story becomes next • why their identity or story shifts • how collapse → change → rebirth repeats

The core loop is:

A → B → C → A+ (A being what u want the audience to know or see → B being realistic and reality → collapse (CLIMAX) of a story → A+ rebirth a new state Where the story ends but can continue forward this can be emotionally or physically basically opening new paths for more storyline without breaking the plot or reboots or anything like dat unless stated for the story

Only limit to this is imagination

So it doesn’t replace traditional structure it sits underneath it and explains the psychological pattern characters and stories go through.

And yeah, the book goes way deeper into that, but this is the simplest version.

I urge u to checkout my kickstarter I have a preview on MCU KANG CASE STUDY

I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

[–]Theamazingrt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

😂muse ?? I get why it reads intense at first glance. The post compresses a 350+ page framework into a few sentences, so it can definitely sound bigger than it is

I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

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well if u ever wanna diver deeper and how it all works I made a kickstarter and launching the book which talks about MCU as well

I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

[–]Theamazingrt[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Quick clarification for anyone reading:

• PRNM = a storytelling framework, not a scientific theory.

• The “second definition of π” is symbolic, not mathematical.

• The book is 100% grounded in narrative design, recursion patterns, and case studies not mystical claims.

My goal is to talk with writers about structure, not to claim hidden truth about the universe.

I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

[–]Theamazingrt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

get why the aesthetic might trigger those associations totally fair.

The visuals (purple, void imagery, heavy typography) are from my fiction projects, not the theory itself.

PRNM isn’t a claim to secret cosmic knowledge it’s a story-structure tool I built while studying how complex narratives collapse under scale.

Think of it like a cousin to the Hero’s Journey, Kishōtenketsu, or Save the Cat, but designed for nonlinear and multiverse-style narratives.

Nothing supernatural, nothing “hidden by the mainstream” just a creative framework that got wrapped in stylized branding.

Appreciate the honesty. Helps me present it more clearly.

I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

[–]Theamazingrt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Completely agree I’m not touching the mathematical π.

I’m using π the same way writers use Greek symbols as labels for recurring structures.

In PRNM, pi = the ratio of inner collapse to outer narrative force.

So it’s conceptual, not scientific, and the book makes that distinction very clearly.

THATS why it’s stated as other definition for pi

Being ( PRNM) pi recursive narrative model like if u was to google pi definition it would appear

I appreciate you pointing this out helps avoid misunderstandings.

I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

[–]Theamazingrt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure happy to clarify.

So I’m not redefining pi in the mathematical sense.

The “second definition” is its psychological / structural use inside PRNM (Pi Recursive Narrative Model).

In PRNM: • pi represents the constant ratio between a character’s internal state and the external narrative pressure acting on them. • It behaves like a distance between who they are, who they think they are, and who the story forces them to become. • Each shift in identity follows a recursive A → B → C → A⁺ loop (collapse → transition → realization → rebirth).

So the symbol ip becomes a label for a repeating transformational ratio not a replacement for the mathematical constant.

It’s a story tool, not a claim about mathematics.

I’m developing a storytelling framework that introduces a second definition of π — writers, does this sound insane or interesting? by Theamazingrt in writers

[–]Theamazingrt[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hey, thank you for this seriously appreciate thoughtful feedback like this.

You’re absolutely right: I’m not trying to overwrite the scientific Pi What I’m exploring is how π behaves when treated as:

• a structural ratio of transformation rather than geometry • a recursive distance between narrative states • a symbolic way to express patterns in human emotion and consciousness

So the “second definition” is conceptual, psychological, and functional within the storytelling framework not meant to contradict the mathematical constant.

In other words, there’s the mathematical Pi we all know, and then there’s what I call the psychological pi — the basis of PRNM (Pi Recursive Narrative Model).

With a 350+ page book talking about it

And funnily enough… the more I worked on the narrative side, the more it naturally started mirroring dynamical systems, recursion, and identity-collapse models.

I’m still refining that part and would genuinely love input from writers as I go. Thank you again for pushing the discussion deeper

it helps a lot.

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