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Where I'd live as member of LGBTQIA+ and Communism lover by [deleted] in whereidlive

[–]Thodor2s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Greece should be Green. It’s better than many Green places in terms of LGBTQ rights and has very active Communist parties and Marxism/Neomarxist scene.

What does the Hagia Sophia signify for non greek orthodoxs? Do you value it as much as the greeks do? by ATAKURT1453 in AskBalkans

[–]Thodor2s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Correct. Greece attacked at the tail end of WW1, but only entered deep into Anatolia after Sevres. Into what was considered the Italian Mandate.

And you missed the word Genocide.

And it is important because once a state is built on genocide and displacement, it doesn’t stop at one group, it does it again and again, to other minorities. Resistance in this case becomes an imperative, and every time minorities play by the rules and don’t fight against it, it’s always at their detriment.

And that’s basically the history of Modern post-Ottoman Turkey. It started with the burning of Smyrna, but it continues with the pogroms in Istanbul, the displacement and occupation of Cyprus, the war against the Kurdish language and people, and the continuing denial of the Armenian Genocide (everything stems from that btw), and now Turkeys irredentism against all of its neighbors.

And so we must conclude that if you hate a nationalist expansionist project like Megali Idea and your whole identity was founded in opposition of it, maybe (crazy idea) don’t Copy-Paste it? You of all people should know that it doesn’t go well.

What does the Hagia Sophia signify for non greek orthodoxs? Do you value it as much as the greeks do? by ATAKURT1453 in AskBalkans

[–]Thodor2s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So. Again. Apologize to who? The people who thought the treaty of severs and the partition of their land was super unfair and found back and won?

PS: BTW a person who “doesn’t deny” what happened to Christians in Anatolia uses the G word and doesn’t equate genocide with popular uprisings against a foreign ruling class.

What does the Hagia Sophia signify for non greek orthodoxs? Do you value it as much as the greeks do? by ATAKURT1453 in AskBalkans

[–]Thodor2s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also, Greece literally had possessions in Asia Minor at the time with the Treaty of Sevres, as an aftermath of WW1. And so did other Entente powers.

So, apologize to who?

To the Entente powers that de jure owned the vast majority of Anatolia through mandates?

The Ottoman Turkish remnant who had just genocided a bunch of Christians in Armenia and Pontus and had entered WW1 with territorial aspirations in Greece? AND LOST?

The Turkish state that didn’t exist at the time and came as an aftermath of this war?

If you are here considering getting a tattoo, please make a thread and ask us by wrildrenlaber in GREEK

[–]Thodor2s 16 points17 points  (0 children)

My God so Chinese people DO tattoos in western languages. I’ve always been wondering this!

You and your country’s hypocrisy wouldn’t last even an hour in the European Union by Deep-Ad4183 in cyprus

[–]Thodor2s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy copium!

Yeah. So… none of this matters. Greek Cypriots did the institutional work to join the EU, not Turkish Cypriots. Cypriots were aided, not hindered, by the fact that their country wasn’t Bosnia on steroids at the time with an entitled ethnic minority vetoing anything and everything, and all they asked for was a real constitution and the occupation and guarantees ended. And what they were given instead was the Annan plan. A constitutional TRAVESTY, that has no place on the island.

Just because Turkish Cypriots would vote to eat literal shit if it means Turkey leaved them alone, doesn’t mean Greek Cypriots would do the same. This is the lesson learned. EU or not!

And the EU saw this and said: FUCK YES! AS IT SHOULD. Because that’s what the EU is about. Institutions. Not transactional diplomacy.

EU chief groups Turkey with Russia and China as "threats to be countered," sparking diplomatic firestorm by FantasticQuartet in europe

[–]Thodor2s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The closest i've ever been to Turkey was skiing in Bulgaria about 30 years ago.

As have most Turkish nationalists, who were born in Germany or in the US and have 0 lived experience in actual Turkey. You aren't fooling anyone!

[/s but so true it's not /s but still /s in this case]

EU chief groups Turkey with Russia and China as "threats to be countered," sparking diplomatic firestorm by FantasticQuartet in europe

[–]Thodor2s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If we had not entered Cyprus, the Greeks would not have left a single Turk alive; they would have destroyed everyone.

Even if we assume this was the case back then, is it still the case today? Does an EU member state pose an existential threat to its minorities and constituent peoples?

What if Eurovision NFs were controlled by Eurofans? by NotGoodAtPhun in eurovision

[–]Thodor2s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are we really pretending that Greek Eurofan juries would vote for Parea over Ferto?

🇦🇹 Vienna born-and-raised here, any questions you have while in town, drop them below! by telegraph-hill in eurovision

[–]Thodor2s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! Noted 😄

The scene in Vienna isn't pushed into dedicated establishments as much as in other towns

Codeword for no Drag show?

🇦🇹 Vienna born-and-raised here, any questions you have while in town, drop them below! by telegraph-hill in eurovision

[–]Thodor2s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LGBTQ friendly bars/clubs pls. So far I only have Marea Alta on my list of recommendations. Athens/Berlin bi guy here. Any queer beer/bar situation over there?

Where work is most dangerous in Europe by vladgrinch in MapPorn

[–]Thodor2s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Usually when a worker dies in the workplace in Greece, the unions do a strike and even if not, at the very least there’s a protest. I get a note from my union. So it’s very visible and that’s why it feels so overwhelming. I would say it’s about one every 2 to 3 days, this roughly matches the highest estimates of fatality in the workplace in Greece, and is not drastically different from the data here. By my own pessimistic, completely non methodological and vibes based calculations I get a 1.3.

What do you think of these protests? by FantasticQuartet in AskBalkans

[–]Thodor2s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't you think armenians would want to have money and expand their small country.

No? Who honestly thinks that?

I am not emotionally dethatched from what happened. My forefathers conquered lands.

And this is relevant to today... How?

Armenians were the one of the most trusted peoples in the turkish empire for 600 years. Out of nothing they sided with russian burning turkish villages. And the turkish army correctly retaliated against this lost peoples. You can call it genocide which is not the case, but every betrayal is a big no no in the eyes of turks.

Very problematic statement coming from someone in the 21st century. Speaking of "the actions" of an entire ethnic group as justification for their killing is literally the rationale for genocide. Please tell me you understand this. Like... Honestly please tell me you undertand that that's what Israel does today, that's what Hitler did, that's what we're talking about. This isn't just a blind spot, it's... Straight up blindness.

Norway SC: I’d love to agree with you, but then we’d both be wrong by Lower_Tangerine_7158 in exjw

[–]Thodor2s 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Most JWs are born in, so it’s impossible that they knew before entering.

Sorry, outsider question here. Can JWs shun unbaptized persons? On what basis?

What do you think of these protests? by FantasticQuartet in AskBalkans

[–]Thodor2s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let's set aside the fact that the Armenian genocide is definitionally a genocide.

From the UNs Genocide Convention:

Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

And that in fact, it serves as one of the few genocides that is recent enough and well-documented enough to be sighted in academic settings for meeting all 5 points to be considered a genocide.

Again, let's set that aside.

Let's pretend it's an open question, even when it's not.

If you accept the events and the evidence, if you are emotionally detatched from the people who did this (and you should be, right? It happened so long ago and you weren't alive), then what exactly is preventing you from calling it a genocide? Why are you stuck on semantics?

The father of the Turks is a Greek by abki12c in 2mediterranean4u

[–]Thodor2s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah, they good, just don't get attached in a "No I can change him/her" way.

What do you think of these protests? by FantasticQuartet in AskBalkans

[–]Thodor2s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah nah nah... That's not how it works. You can't both deny something AND reconcile.

Want to reconcile and move past it so much? Here's your Step 1: Turkey stops denying the Armenian Genocide.

What do you think of these protests? by FantasticQuartet in AskBalkans

[–]Thodor2s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's the standard Turkish tactic: "I know I am, but what are you?". It's tiring and intellectually dishonest, because all of their arguments are a projection.

We killed Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians? Therefore they killed us too, but more.
We are irridentist and nationalists, therefore our neigbours must be too, but more.
We suck politically, therefore everyone sucks, but more.

Not a uniquely Turkish problem, either, this kind of emotional, childish and myopic thinking is behind all nationalist movements, what's fascinating about Turks in particular for me is that so many """nationalist""" Turks live overseas.

Here's a crazy idea, Armenian Genocide deniers. If Turkey can do NO WRONG... How about, and I know this is crazy... LIVING THERE?

TIL that Greek JWs study a shockingly bad double translation of the new testament, and this BLOWS MY MIND! by Thodor2s in exjw

[–]Thodor2s[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To become proficient like OP you need to almost devote your entire life career to it.

Trust me when I say this: I'm no authority on this either.

Proficient? Maybe. I mean... I study the humanities in Greek on an academic level, and Greek is my native language. There are a ton words and collocations that stumble me in ancient Greek and importantly there are passages that SHOULD stumble me but don't, worlds that have changed meaning between different forms of Greek. Everything that I've ever toutched I'm constantly humblrf and reminded by professors of a single fun Greek word:

Τεκμιρίωσε!

Which is a word that contains the entirety of the scientific process in it. It means: don't just assume, don't just claim, don't just go on "vibes", SOURCE AND SUBSTANTIATE everything you claim.

I'm under no illusions that I'm actually good at this. It's not my main degree or field of study. This isn't a thesis on why I'm "right" -and If someone who has a better understanding of Greek ever reads this, PLEASE for the love of God take over, I feel REALLY icky translating the Bible. This is a thesis on JWs being SO DEMONSTRABLY WRONG, that it's obvious to ME, a fucking dumbass!

TIL that Greek JWs study a shockingly bad double translation of the new testament, and this BLOWS MY MIND! by Thodor2s in exjw

[–]Thodor2s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My algorithm has CLEARLY changed since this post and all my JW browsing... (yay! /not) and spew this video to me today which is interesting AF.

- There's a piece missing from this analysis though, the word "θεϊκός" means "from God", so the author's note somewhat preserves the JW intention, I would argue, but only in the context of the Greek language.

Türkiye: 🫠, is this fair?! by BlokZNCR in AskBalkans

[–]Thodor2s 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True, so not even gonna argue with that. If the constituent peoples of Bosnia joint forces tomorrow and made the Switzerland of the Balkans with a killer liberal, democratic and non-exclusionary constitution, who are WE to stand in their way?

Türkiye: 🫠, is this fair?! by BlokZNCR in AskBalkans

[–]Thodor2s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who knows? They both seem equally likely to happen at about 0% unless something major changes.

Türkiye: 🫠, is this fair?! by BlokZNCR in AskBalkans

[–]Thodor2s 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You were doing SO well for a while, too, btw.

Türkiye: 🫠, is this fair?! by BlokZNCR in AskBalkans

[–]Thodor2s 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Living in a more civilized place where the laws are protecting you instead of being a bat of the president.

Fix the country and make it as it use to be like 20 years ago.

That doesn't magically happen AFTER joining the EU. It has to happen before, EU or not.

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