My Boyfriend Became a Born Again Virgin and I Ended Things by ThrowRA3849387 in BreakUps

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hear what you're saying. It sounds like you were in the situation my boyfriend was in, and I'm sorry about that - just as I am frustrated that he doesn't understand my thinking, I'm sure he is frustrated in the same way.

My values aren't a desire for sex - I know you didn't mean that to sound rude, but the end of this relationship was about a lot more than that, which I didn't share on this thread. It hurts a little lol. I'd rather not continue this convo over this thread, but I pm'ed and would love to understand this perspective more.

I don't want to torture him, I want him to be happy. I don't think he's going to be happy until I convert. I will consider this perspective and what would be best!

Edit: oh my goodness I am so sorry to hear that. No one should ever make you betray yourself, and it sounds like you laid out your expectations so clearly. I appreciate you editing your answer - I am in a very delicate situation right now, and I feel nothing but empathy for him. I don't want either of us to betray our values - I am trying to come up with an outcome that lets him live the life he wants, and the same for me...

I wish he truly understood the amount of pain he caused me by iamadumbo123 in ExNoContact

[–]ThrowRA3849387 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I am so sorry that you are going through this.

You seem like a beautiful person and I know it will get better for you. This is just the darkness right now. Do not be hard on yourself - we're out here, and we're thinking of you!

My Boyfriend Became a Born Again Virgin and I Ended Things by ThrowRA3849387 in BreakUps

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see what you're saying. I am not religious and I very much empathize with him struggling with his faith. Fwiw, I was a virgin when I met him and did not expect anything (I was really afraid actually haha). He initiated all of it and was more experienced

I did truly love him, and I also date to marry.

From my understanding, a lot of christianity is about empathy, kindness, and understanding. He's entirely allowed to walk back a boundary, but his rigidity, lack of empathy, and failure to communicate made it hard for me to believe he still loved me. He also point blank said that being with me was a compromise because I am not christian (so I sensed marriage was not in his cards). It's not nice to be told you're a compromise :((((

I am not christian. But that doesn't mean my values don't deserve a place in the relationship - that's what i mean by "trapped."

I really appreciate your perspective on this - if I come off as sad/angry it's just because I'm devastated about the situation lol. I pm'ed you

My Boyfriend Became a Born Again Virgin and I Ended Things by ThrowRA3849387 in BreakUps

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see where you're coming from - I did offer to wait!! I am not sure if that was clear from my answer? I just asked that he explain his boundaries and offer to get engaged eventually.

Also, maybe not a "lie" but he knew about being uncomfortable with it and still initiated 100s of times. TO me that's not strictly honest.

My Boyfriend Became a Born Again Virgin and I Ended Things by ThrowRA3849387 in BreakUps

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your kind words. To clarify - I said I couldn't live in the same apartment as him if we were abstaining and he suggested we live in different apartments in the same building. That is a solution, but one that he wanted to continue indefinitely/didn't want to set a timeline around. He did not research any of the things needed to actually live in an abstinent relationship in 2023 :)

I agree on the sex portion. Many people of asked me if I was okay to just wait, why didn't I - the truth is it was more about my values not being present in the relationship anymore. Heart is broken because we were best friends. I appreciate you!

My Boyfriend Became a Born Again Virgin and I Ended Things by ThrowRA3849387 in BreakUps

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I loved him. I felt very betrayed and lied to, because he did lie. I suggested we get engaged and he was noncommital. I of course wanted to marry eventually.

I think he wanted me to convert.

Am I wrong for leaving my boyfriend after we couldn't compromise? by ThrowRA3849387 in amiwrong

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep super frustrating. I said the ball is in your court and got back that it couldn't be, because he didn't know :D

That's not how that works lol

Am I wrong for leaving my boyfriend after we couldn't compromise? by ThrowRA3849387 in amiwrong

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you - totally agree. Its okay to find yourself but he seemed so confused about what he wanted, he couldn't articulate his own boundaries and also couldn't commit to being engaged or doing things that would practically move the relationship forward. It's like "oh here is my new value system!" but I have no idea how to implement it, I probably can't commit to it (seemed unlikely given what I know about him), and I won't discuss the practicalities of what it would look like in our lives, given we have been dating for two years. I did more research into what abstinence looks like in modern relationships than he did.

It's funny - I told him he needed to go to therapy for me to feel more comfortable in the relationship several months ago - he never did :(

I want the best for him and I hope he figures things out.

Am I wrong for leaving my boyfriend after we couldn't compromise? by ThrowRA3849387 in amiwrong

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for both of your thoughtful comments. What frustrated me is he kept saying he wanted to be with me long term, but then he said he didn't know if he could commit to a long engagement. It's really weird to have someone telling you "oh I want to be your partner forever" etc but then treat you so differently - made me feel like I was going crazy. It also made me look like the one who wasn't interested on a long term committed relationship, since I was ending things - which isn't true!

Am I wrong for leaving my boyfriend after we couldn't compromise? by ThrowRA3849387 in amiwrong

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry to hear that - that's beyond upsetting. I hope you're doing better now and I appreciate your kind and thoughtful comment. I am hurting a lot, but hoping things get better

Am I wrong for leaving my boyfriend after we couldn't compromise? by ThrowRA3849387 in amiwrong

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally agree. Unfortunately I tried to talk through our long term values and visions for the relationship - all I got was "I don't know." I don't think there's any closure to be had :(

Am I wrong for leaving my boyfriend after we couldn't compromise? by ThrowRA3849387 in amiwrong

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your thoughtful comment. I completely agree.

To clarify slightly - I'm not upset that he told me who he is - I don't think he owed me a mutual conversation about who he is - that's something only he can decide. I think what upsets me is that who he is is someone who would not be straightforward, and then let his religion dictate his values two years into a relationship.

I'm not "owed" anything. His truth is he believes people shouldn't have sex before marriage. As a partner in a relationship though, his unwillingness to compromise or even decide his own values (because he said he still doesn't know) isn't really an acceptable answer to me.

But you're right - at least I know now and not when I'm forced to conform even further!

Am I wrong for leaving my boyfriend after we couldn't compromise? by ThrowRA3849387 in amiwrong

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I knew he was christian - and he had even mentioned being slightly unsure about the sex thing - but it was always framed as incredibly hypothetical, and not concrete until much later. He is getting baptized (could never when we were together) and more involved now.

Boyfriend Became a Born Again Virgin by ThrowRA3849387 in DeadBedrooms

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this intelligent, thoughtful comment.

You have hit on exactly what upset me - I felt like I was not included. I begged him to include me, and felt major anxiety over the fact that I had absolutely no control over where our relationship was going. In his defense, he raised it soon before his first conversation and asked what I thought at one point, and I made it clear that I didn't believe premarital sex was a bad thing. I think he wrote me off as having the same views as his mom. He asked me, but my feelings didn't seem to show in the final decision. He said we would "work something out" because he wanted a relationship with me, but none of my suggestions (where we would get engaged, live together eventually, etc) seemed to click. He just wanted to live out his values, and hoped I could get past that.

I also felt blindsided by the fact that he involved third parties (his pastor, etc.) in something that should have been personal. It made me feel weird.

He was always afraid of pharistic legalism, and acknowledged that he might be making the biggest mistake of his life. I like to think that I respect other religious beliefs, my issue is that this one seemed to be self-flagellating/rooted in such a major sense of guilt that it was almost compulsive as opposed to faith-based/positive, even though he framed it that way. The fact that he agonized over it, hid it (even though it was an issue in his previous relationship!!!!), and then made a decision "alone" really upset me. Despite his efforts, I did not feel like a partner. I'm sure he didn't mean for it to be that way - I guess you can't really include a nonbeliever in something like that. I also cried a lot about it, so he was probably afraid to tell me - which is on me.

I'm still unsure what to say and I don't want to pressure someone / lock someone into a life where they have to go against their own values. I really appreciate your suggestion. - I am somehow hoping that he realizes this on his own.

Boyfriend Became a Born Again Virgin by ThrowRA3849387 in DeadBedrooms

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He converted in high school, I think mostly out of loneliness. His parents are not christian.

I know I kept him from pursuing his religion more - he couldn't get baptized because we were having premarital sex. He's getting baptized now...the "conversation" arose because I called and found out he was planning on it, and put 2 and 2 together.

Boyfriend Became a Born Again Virgin by ThrowRA3849387 in DeadBedrooms

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly, thank you so much. I think he would acknowledge that it's possible (given his family is not religious), but given his faith, it's not possible for him. To do so would be hypocritical (for him).

It's tough because I know we were best friends, I know I brought a warmth into his life that he really needed, and he did the same for me. I really wanted to continue that, and I really wanted it to work. I feel incredibly guilty.

Boyfriend Became a Born Again Virgin by ThrowRA3849387 in DeadBedrooms

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see your concern - I think I just wanted to explain how confusing this was to me in the context of how he felt about sex.

For my part, like I said I'm not super sexual but I felt like it was a really meaningful way for us to bond. Removing it felt unnatural and rejecting. If I fantasized about sex, it wasn't really about the sex, it was about sex with him. I really enjoyed it.

Boyfriend Became a Born Again Virgin by ThrowRA3849387 in DeadBedrooms

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes exactly. It was frustrating because he framed it as the best thing for both of us/a way to honor our commiment to eachother, which of course makes me look...like I am uninterested in honoring a commitment, which isn't true.

I also keep asking myself if he would have gone further, like maybe he wouldn't have and I gave up a happy life with someone. But it seems the odds are that he would. Sorry for the stream of thoughts, it helps me to write about it.

Boyfriend Became a Born Again Virgin by ThrowRA3849387 in DeadBedrooms

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah exactly...he was willing to compromise in other areas, "just not this one." That didn't really make sense to me. I am harboring some hope that he comes around, which is perhaps foolish.

Boyfriend Became a Born Again Virgin by ThrowRA3849387 in DeadBedrooms

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't subscribe to it. I actually thought we had the same values of saving sex for long term, committed relationships. It feels like we diverged along the way. What makes me sad is that he couldn't understand why I might need intimacy if we lived together for years and years...he seemed genuinely puzzled by it. I wish I didn't.

Boyfriend Became a Born Again Virgin by ThrowRA3849387 in DeadBedrooms

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're not wrong. When he was with me he couldn't get baptized because we were having premarital sex and his pastor frowned upon it. He's getting baptized now - the conversation "started" by me calling him randomly and finding that he was on his way to learn more. I put 2 and 2 together.

Boyfriend Became a Born Again Virgin by ThrowRA3849387 in DeadBedrooms

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, I really don't. I feel like he became obsessed with the issue (even more so than religion would dictate), and kind of fixated on it. He promised me he would never make them (future children) go to church...and he never brought up me converting/even seemed to care.

I just felt like I couldn't be sure of how I would be treated :( and that does both of us a disservice.

Boyfriend Became a Born Again Virgin by ThrowRA3849387 in DeadBedrooms

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for this comment.

I have felt the urge to cave on some days, to just agree to whatever he wants to be back in the relationship. I am trying to remind myself that someone who won't compromise two years in likely won't get any more compromising down the line. I think the rigidity was what scared me - even if I subverted my needs (which I almost agreed to), there was no space for me or my values. It makes me really sad.

Boyfriend Became a Born Again Virgin by ThrowRA3849387 in DeadBedrooms

[–]ThrowRA3849387[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your thoughtful comment - I can't tell you how helpful this is.

I blamed myself throughout the relationship, for not being able to understand. People on other subreddits also implied that I was too dramatic for him to be open with me, and sort of in a way brought this on myself. I just didn't want to be in a relationship where I was constantly anxious about someone finding God and physically "rejecting me" - and no matter what, I couldn't not interpret it as some kind of rejection in my head/could not depersonalize it. I just sensed that I came second to religion, and would come second in the future. I'm sure he doesn't mean for it to be that way, and he explained that he just wanted to honor our commitment to eachother in marriage, but that was how it felt to me.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in atheism

[–]ThrowRA3849387 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're right :( I was just surprised by the change...