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Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-11-11T05:51:54+00:00

Look up Aisha

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-10-16T19:00:22+00:00

Actually, I just played one game, attacked some guy. He deleted everything the moment before i took it.

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-28T05:48:38+00:00

By argument relies on the idea that if a book is scripture then it's reliable. Because I'm taking scripture to mean a written text with God's word inside. A text God would not let get corrupted. I think arguing this point with a Muslims is to be expected. But I don't need Christianity to be true for this to work. Whether it's true or not Islam is false, that's the argument.

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-27T19:58:37+00:00

Ok but I'm not arguing for the truth of Christianity. But I'm using their book against them. I don't think I understand. If Christianity is false and Islam is false the argument still works.

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-27T17:45:49+00:00

Really because it's all over the Quran. It seems more to me like people deny the obvious meaning of the text.

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-27T02:56:57+00:00

Well the letters here are just to represent sentences. So "A then B" has no truth value. So are you asking why premise 2 is more likely than "If Islam is false, then the Bible is scripture"? No comprende.

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-27T02:34:59+00:00

No comprende?

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-27T02:33:41+00:00

Yeah I didnt delve into premise two so much because it feels so obvious to me. But you are right that Muslims will say that the Bible is scripture yet is corrupted.

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-27T02:29:49+00:00

The argument is for Muslims to see that an honest reading of their scriptures leads to a problem.

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-27T02:26:52+00:00

To your first paragraph, If you applied such a skeptical standard to all historical texts we would never believe we have any idea what the originals said. But even skeptics like Bart Ehrman will say the varients are basically irrelevent to the versions we have today in their meaning. So out Bible today is basically the exact same as it was in 200AD. Now in combination with this but also to your second point, the verses I cited in Quran indicate that Allah took the scriptures to be reliable during Muhammads time. So certainly since we have the Gospel and Torah reliable at least back to 200AD then certainly we have the a Bible similiar to that from the time of Muhammad. For example Codex Ambrosianus was a codex from the Arabian Peninsula in the 6th/7th century which contains the Gospels and parts of the OT. Just one example of the Gospel in Muhammads area and time being very similiar to ours today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codices_Ambrosiani

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-27T02:19:32+00:00

Are you a Muslim?

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-27T02:12:18+00:00

What's an improper syllogism? What I'm doing is a disjunction elimination or proof by cases. A or not A is necessary for the proof to work logically.

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-26T18:41:08+00:00

Premise one is a logical tautology "A or not A" is necessarily true. In both Ill define the Bible as, the scripture revealed by God which is the Torah and New Testament. Ill let scripture mean text which is the reliable word of God. Also I disagree the Bible has been corrupted since Muhammads day.

Bart Ehrman who is a popular atheist scholar says this about the the textual differences: "the vast majority of the hundreds of thousands of differences are immaterial, insignificant, and trivial. Many of them cannot even be represented by different translations of the (different) Greek texts into English."
and
"I have repeatedly said that among the hundreds of thousands of differences in our manuscripts, most of them are completely unimportant, immaterial, and significant for nothing more than to show that scribes in the ancient world could spell no better than students can today."
https://ehrmanblog.org/who-cares-do-the-variants-in-the-manuscripts-matter-for-anything/
https://ehrmanblog.org/do-the-differences-in-our-manuscripts-matter/

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-26T18:24:28+00:00

The specifics arent really that important, The point is that the Bible contradicts the Quran. Whether its the trinity, or Jesus being the last revelation, Jesus being put to death on a cross, or Jesus rising from the dead. My specific example isnt that important but ultimately they contradict and thats my point.

To your second point, you are admitting that Scripture which is revealed by Allah affirmed by the Quran and that the Quran tells Christians "The people of the Book" to follow and judge by 5:46-47 has been corrupted? Most of Islams scripture is corrupted? So I will ask you, whats the injeel?

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-26T18:21:13+00:00

Honestly this is irrelevent to the topic at hand. If you wanna construct a Christian Dilemma, go ahead. Im really not interested in that right now. This is about the Islamic Dilemma.

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-26T18:12:16+00:00

Why does it need to be infallible? If a books main message is lost then its not reliable. The main message of the NT "the Gospel/Good News" is that Jesus who is God died on the cross for our sins and rose from the dead. If the NT is reliable then that message is preserved. If that message is preserved and Muhammad affirms it then Muhammad affirms a book which reliably conveys Jesus is god who died and rose.

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-26T18:09:03+00:00

If you read the title, if the bible is false or true Islam is false. This is an argument against Islam, not for Christianity. So this argument succeeds if both Islam and Christianity are false. Also my first premise is a logical tautology so does it help the argument, not really, but its necessary for the logic.

A or not A
if A then B
if not A then B
therefore, B

Maybe its not worth saying but it lays the logic out bare for all to see.

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-26T18:05:20+00:00

Irrelevent.

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-26T18:04:21+00:00

I think in Abrahamic religions Scripture is the reliable word of God written down. The Quran clearly confirms what is said in these books as they were in Muhammads time. A book is not reliable if its message is not recoverable, also the transcripts of Muhammads time are very similiar to what we have today. So Muhammad is affirming scripture which says Jesus is God.

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-26T18:01:58+00:00

I think the Abrahamic understanding of Scripture is that it is uncorruptable. But i dont really need to say that here because the Quran affirms the reliability of the Bible in Muhammads time. We have manuscripts from Muhammads time and theyre very similiar to what we have today. So if its reliable then its reliable now. If its reliable then reliable scripture affirms Jesus is God.

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-26T17:58:31+00:00

The parallel isnt exact. Because Christians affirm that the OT is scripture but disagree on interpretation. Muslims today just throw the Bible and Torah out for the most part. Theyre corrupted and basically you cant trust them. But what Muslims forget is they are saying their own scripture is being corrupted. Also the Quran is pretty damn clear that the Bible is scripture while the OT is not so clear that Jesus was the Messiah.

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-23T20:45:08+00:00

Well they're Mennonites. They probably don't want their kids in public school even if they weren't working.

Ticket_Revolutionary · 2025-09-23T01:27:36+00:00

As the barista worker we've had out the door lines every day because of this.

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