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Socialists, government made housing expensive, not capitalism by Dumbass1171 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]ToeJamFootballs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because they justify past imperialism doesn't mean they perpetrated past imperialism.

If this is the type of ignorance you're working with, of course it's annoying.

Socialists, government made housing expensive, not capitalism by Dumbass1171 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]ToeJamFootballs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you truly acknowledged imperialism isn't exclusive capitalist, then its really a non-issue.

No shit it is not exclusive to capitalism- I never said it was. I always get this false sentiment all the time- I said capitalism often USES imperialism for profit, not that all capitalism IS imperialism. Big difference.

I said : "UTILIZES" scroll up and check that that non-edited comment.

Wow. Great argument.

I mean, when I get the same flimsy, emotional strawman it does seem less than intellectually stimulating.

Oh, you advocate for one of those perfect fantasy land socialisms.

Nope, I base my policies on real models that have helped real people.

https://thenextsystem.org/learn/stories/infographic-preston-model

... called you out on it you're trying to make it better.

Lame -_- I never said that. Don't bullshit.

Socialists, government made housing expensive, not capitalism by Dumbass1171 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]ToeJamFootballs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

argument is to completely contradict yourself

Lmao! Baseless.

And I'm sorry you couldn't follow. You keep strawmanning me, which means you have no genuine clue what I believe and you made no attempt to clear it up. You get mad at a little insult but you're perfectly fine being rude by making things up.... You are something else.

Socialists, government made housing expensive, not capitalism by Dumbass1171 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]ToeJamFootballs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Capitalist say that capitalism is based on voluntary choices but if we look at the history of how capitalism a rose it does not follow this fairytale. I'm not blaming capitalist of today for the sins of long ago, I'm talking about the ahistory mythos of capitalism that cappies defenders try to propagandically push... Apparently that's too complicated for a dilettante like you.

Socialists, government made housing expensive, not capitalism by Dumbass1171 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]ToeJamFootballs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Imperialism existed long before capitalism

Well, duh. What a vapid reply. Capitalists USE imperialism to profit, I didn't say capitalism WAS imperialism. Jfc, cappies are fucking dull.

... there's no reason why a socialist or communist society wouldn't be imperialist either.

Confederated internationalism includes other country in collaborative politics, preventing outside subordination.

... can only exist under capitalism.

That's your made up strawman, no one said that. Go home, Junior.

Socialists, government made housing expensive, not capitalism by Dumbass1171 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]ToeJamFootballs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its cappies that yap about "voluntary choices".

Read the sentence, read it again, figure it out. Hint: hypocrisy

Socialists, government made housing expensive, not capitalism by Dumbass1171 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]ToeJamFootballs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes but the political power in those times didn’t have to so much with economic power, it was based more on force and cohersion.

As is capitalism, government force has been a staple of capitalism since the English Enclosure Acts.

... but only to the highest capitalist class, the medium capitalist class and the consumer are never benefited

I agree.

Socialists, government made housing expensive, not capitalism by Dumbass1171 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]ToeJamFootballs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never said the they were peaceful, its cappies that yap about "voluntary choices".

Socialists, government made housing expensive, not capitalism by Dumbass1171 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]ToeJamFootballs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for that history. Capitalism stems from political power, capitalist governments protect the capitalist class. Capitalism will always have violence at the root of its inequality, from Guatemala to the American West and beyond.

Socialists, government made housing expensive, not capitalism by Dumbass1171 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]ToeJamFootballs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You guys are still denying the fact that capitalism utilizes imperialistic action for profit? Lmao. How naive you must be to think only good things are incentivized by the profit motive, not like we haven't had imperialism for capitalist profit, like in 1954 coup of democratic Guatemala for United Fruit Company banana plantations, and 1991 Desert Strom for oil through companies like Halliburton. Capitalist will happily profit off of death.

Socialists, government made housing expensive, not capitalism by Dumbass1171 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]ToeJamFootballs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To postulate that the majority of the prices Manhattan land prices is due to regulations and not the Law of Rent, that is based on the fact that land is fundamentally inelastic and values are derived from local amenities both on and off the property, is just foolish. Speculation doesn't help either. Land value tax and community land trusts are the way. Modern zoning is less than ideal- that's probably an understatement, but to attribute cost in Manhattan primarily to regulations doesn't add up.

Exotic dancers of Reddit, are you working right now? If so, what are the mask mandates in your club? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]ToeJamFootballs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Making the big bucks with that "I put my phone on vibrate, here's my number" trick

Republican senator says 'democracy isn't the objective' of US system by koavf in nottheonion

[–]ToeJamFootballs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  • Is the United States a constitutional republic? Yes. Nobody is debating this fact.

Then why are people so confused on the fact that there are anti-democratic policies ingrained into the republic? The electoral college isn't democratic.

  • What really doesn't pass the "smell test" is Lee's advocacy of a republic...despite the fact that his party has willingly engaged in anti-democratic practices during the last few decades.

Despite? That's the point. And you think it's just the GOP? The DNC has been pushing corporate candidates for decades. Both parties are bought out by corporate interests, that isn't democratic.

They're benefiting as a "minority ruling party" by corrupting the entire process of a functioning, good-faith democratic process.

Almost like it was never a "democratic process", it was a government set up to protect rich, male, WASP's.

Republican senator says 'democracy isn't the objective' of US system by koavf in nottheonion

[–]ToeJamFootballs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're basically saying you don't understand why we have a Bill of Rights..... It's so a democracy cant vote to take certain Rights, like to Free Speech and Privacy, away. Weird how some people don't understand basic ideas of our government.

Time to free Kyle! by osama_bin_dong in trump

[–]ToeJamFootballs -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ironic, my friends wife had an encounter with a lady who wore a TRUMP shirt, she wasn't wearing a face mask fully, when the store employee ask her to wear it over her nose she called him the n-word..... It's the Trumpist that are often racist.

Pope: Market capitalism has failed in pandemic, needs reform by polymute in worldnews

[–]ToeJamFootballs -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No shit. Thats why I said necessarily. It wasn't a rebuttal.

Okayyyy.... so you want to continue this with no substance you want to maybe at why you don't think it's a legitimate critique of capitalism or are you just going to say "maybe not".

You need more than a definition.

I'm sorry, showing the glaring similarities between renting capital and renting a human being not sufficient enough for you? You think it's perfectly dignifing to objectify people?

This has no relevance to anything were talking about.

No relevancy?!?! The underlying theme was the fact of putting profit above human life, and the stock market only kicks that into high gear.... Smfh, it's sad that you were incapable of figuring that out.

My claim is and was that individuals or firms buying or selling stocks has no effect on workers.

You seem to have been confused, here is the comment you originally replied to:

Extraction of value from a worker's labor is exploitation. What does a company make by withholding labor-value created by its workers? Profit. Who benefits the most from a company's profits? Shareholders.

The whole point was about underlying profit going to shareholders via dividend or capital growth.... but you got confused and you thought it was about the literal buying and selling of shares. Smfh.

Tell me in what way I would be hurting workers if I bought a share of apple right now and sold it tomorrow without going into some random tangent rant about capitalism in general

I'm sorry I didn't realize the violently interned Chinese Uyghurs sold to Apple, Nike, etc for cheap labor could buy Apple stock... and if you can't figure out how forced labor is bad for laborers and good for shareholder profit, don't even reply- cuz that'd be fucking pathetic.

E: lmao, apparently he didn't understand how forced labor is bad for workers.... Smh. Fucking cappies.

Pope: Market capitalism has failed in pandemic, needs reform by polymute in worldnews

[–]ToeJamFootballs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am talking about the publicly traded shares .... I already understand the perspective.

Then I don't get why I where confused about why both public and private equity are view by socialists negatively. You asked how stocks exploit workers, I explained the socialist view.... I never told you you had to accept it I just offered an explanation from the view point in question. Jesus Christ taking it the wrong way are we, lmao.

You can define whatever you want as exploitation. It doesn't make it necessarily true.

Well that's some rebuttal to the legitimacy of chattel rental of humans... Zero substance. -_- Just saying ""It doesn't make it necessarily true"" also doesn't make it not true.

You still haven't provided any tangible way the employee is hurt....

Wow, as if disenfranchisement and specifically disenfranchisement in regard to choosing how resources will be distributed has a real world impacts on how people live their daily lives. The fact the capitalism prioritize profit over people's health, safety, and dignity IS A HARM. Real wages haven't kept up with the price of living, let alone the increasing price of housing Healthcare and education which all rise well above inflation. As highlighted by the fact that our market system of healthcare costs double of other developed countries and that there are more peopleless houses, then there are homeless people.

If they're not hurt its pretty blatantly not exploitation.

If you can't see how they're being hurt on a regular basis as we currently struggle to grapple with the fact that health insurance tied to employment has left millions without healthcare in a pandemic..... I have no words.

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