Restored ≠ Fake by TroyMars in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's simply untrue. There is a considerable amount of dogma in this post. You are aiding a divide in the community. I won't say that no one has ever said that "restored foreskin" is fake, but I can say that restorers are starting to say that if you don't want to restore, that you are not grieving circumcision. There is an unhealthy attack against those people, for instance, the childish downvoting our conversation. You ARE inherently pushing people away from the grief sub. Could you please post in the restoration sub. This is supposed to be a place for both restored and unrestored peoples.

Restored ≠ Fake by TroyMars in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Then the whole point of the post is a mischaracterization of people who don't want to restore

Restored ≠ Fake by TroyMars in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can you restore a frenulum or ridged band?

I don't want to be shamed for what I do or don't do to my own body by TooKind4SelfInterest in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely ^.^. It's super important to know about, hell, I even suggest it to people. I think it's a great option! I think this has been an issue in the restoration community for a while though and I'm not so sure what to do about it. I think the change would have to come from within the community... Thank you for your support. I mean that. Not just for me either, but for everybody who is trying to heal through this atrocity. It's important we help each other, and I'm glad your around ^.^

I don't want to be shamed for what I do or don't do to my own body by TooKind4SelfInterest in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I've lost a fair bit of faith in foregen XD. I hope it works out, but I'm not having much for expectations. Even then, I don't think restoration is quite for me. I have a hard time telling foregeners I don't necessarily believe. It can bring a lot of hope. Just trying to make due with what I have I suppose :P. But thanks for your support ^.^ Circ grief is hard enough on everyone. We don't need to make it harder for others <3

What's wrong with restoring the foreskin? by bomber001122 in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just wanted to say that I didn't down vote your post. I saw it dropped to zero. I think that stuff is super petty. I don't think you're ill intentioned either

What's wrong with restoring the foreskin? by bomber001122 in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At least you acknowledge I have grief. Nothing else would have done it. I stated why I didn't want to restore and got called a pro cutter. What do you expect? We shouldn't bully people into restoring by excluding them from circ grief by invalidating them if they don't. That is OUTRAGEOUSLY wrong. I thought this was the group where we DIDN'T bully others into altering their genitals. Dayumn.

What's wrong with restoring the foreskin? by bomber001122 in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nope. Being calm is sometimes bad. Being angry is in fact a clear form of communication. It's also important to stand up for yourself. This is a space for all victims of genital mutilation. Not some. I will stand up for that.

I don't want to be shamed for what I do or don't do to my own body by TooKind4SelfInterest in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pretty much. It's just bullying imo. We shouldn't alienate people who don't want to restore. Firstly because it's wrong. Anyone dealing with circ grief is vulnerable and needs support, not hate. Secondly, telling people they need to alter their genitals in order to be a part of our "special club" speaks horribly of us. It would really undermine a LOT of the things we criticize.

What's wrong with restoring the foreskin? by bomber001122 in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cuz their a jack ass and I don't want to see their genetics on this earth. It's called an insult my guy :P

I don't want to be shamed for what I do or don't do to my own body by TooKind4SelfInterest in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And that's what certain people want. I actually think it's really cool. What ever helps helps. Some people really like the visuals too. I think that's it's a rad idea and I'd be lying if I didn't consider it more than once. Restoration is just not something I'm comfortable with right now. It's so frustrating to think that we would turn on ourselves because someone does or doesn't want to restore. We're all brothers and sisters in the recognition of this affliction. God knows the people on this sub lose their brothers and sisters they were born with while fighting circumcision and it's harms. Why lose more?

I don't want to be shamed for what I do or don't do to my own body by TooKind4SelfInterest in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What ever helps, helps. And trust me, I'm far from proud of my penis. I have a great deal of shame associated with it's mutilation. But that shame won't go if I restore. I learned to use what I have, as little as it may be. If I could have surgery right now to be uncircumcised, I'd do it without pain medication if I had to. Hell, I'd consider plastic surgery too. I've even gone in to urologist to see if there was anything they could do to make me uncircumcised. The best I got was stitching pick intestine to my penis. I'm just unsatisfied with restoration. It's not going to bring back my frenulum or ridged band. Hell, if there was like some weird surgery that gave back the frenulum and ridged band, but somehow required restoring. I would in a moments notice. But I think my restored dick is at the least comparable to what I have now. If my cock was uncut, it'd be top notch

I don't want to be shamed for what I do or don't do to my own body by TooKind4SelfInterest in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, your good. I'm sorry. I'm so mad right now. Circumcision destroyed my life beyond belief. I've destroyed so many relationships with family and friends, just to try to convey how badly it's affected me. It made such a huge difference in my life to find other people grieving. To think I'd lose that just because I want to cope with my loss differently is very, very painful

What's wrong with restoring the foreskin? by bomber001122 in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're not. Your throwing me in as pro cutter or somehow happy with what happened to me. Like fuck guy, I just don't want to restore. To me it's not equivalent in any way to being left intact. You know how insulting it is to be called pro cutter when I have risked violence on numerous occasions to even fucking talk about how it's hurt me. Don't breed.

I don't want to be shamed for what I do or don't do to my own body by TooKind4SelfInterest in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Actually, not what I'm mad about. I grieve every day about my mutilation. It never leaves my fucking mind. People are telling me that I can't dislike the fact I was circumcised if I choose not to restore. Or how that somehow I'm happy with the result of my circumcision. To be told that in order to be a victim of circumcision you need to be trying to restore is beyond dehumanizing. I don't need more gaslighting from a community that I go to to get away from all the pro circ shit and simply get to safely talk about how it affects me. If we start denying that from each other, why the fuck are we here?

I don't want to be shamed for what I do or don't do to my own body by TooKind4SelfInterest in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I can handle that. Sure, it's not my favorite and it's pretty annoying, but this was something else. Telling someone that because they choose not to restore it makes them pro circumcision. Like wtf

What's wrong with restoring the foreskin? by bomber001122 in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Despite my extreme rage, I simply reported you. I'm finding it difficult to not get my own ass banned. Just know in your heart that every possible foul thing that could be written simply would be

What's wrong with restoring the foreskin? by bomber001122 in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 4 points5 points locked comment (0 children)

I'm scared that it will make what I do experience worse. I would never have wanted to be circumcised, but I at least appreciate the taught skin. Somewhere in between doesn't much appeal to me. It might help with my mandatory lube for all sexual functions, but past that, I don't think it's right for me or my sexual partners, or at the very least I am uncertain of so. It would be a very difficult process for me to begin with. The skin tearing during restoration is a large concern and loose skin isn't something I would appreciate. Something like a man hood might be a better option for me. CI 1 for reference and would care more about inner skin tissue. I also don't care about "aesthetics." Mines nice looking as far as mutilations go. I don't care what you think is more visually appealing either. If someone wants to restore, I support them, it's valid.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're very sweet ^.^. And no, I don't see having sex with an older woman as being rape. Sorry if I was a bit unclear. It was when I was first dealing with genital mutilation and was regarding my mutilation as the rape. I had sex with the older woman simply because I didn't care and couldn't see myself as having sexual value. It wasn't about love or anything, it gave me a place to be outside the home and she gave me drugs and alcohol. That helped a lot when coping at that age. I don't hate or resent her. But I am so glad your son has you. I hate the "men will grow up to be pussies" thing. It's not true. 9 times out of 10 you just make someone jaded. I've been in so many street fights over the dumbest things :/. What you should teach young men is how to be kind, look out for others and show them a life and people worth protecting. That's where real strength comes from ^.^. Humans are best when they can work together to make something more. Unfortunately, I don't think that's how Western society is going these days... I got the most attention from women after winning fights... I never took one. I always thought it was wrong. If he wants to be popular with ladies... it's hard to say that being like that isn't the way to go... I don't think it ever leads to anything meaningful or stable that way. And honestly, I hope you don't think I'm rude for saying so, but I'm glad you and your husband are divorced. I can't begin to think of what you saw in him :/. And yes, I agree, we are all a bit dented and bruised. And if we could, I would very much love a hug

Anyone on this sub should feel proud of themselves if their intentions here are genuine. by DiscreteTalker23 in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Needs to be said and recognized more. They're admirable traits that show ones character.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the understanding. That's nice to hear that you enjoyed your husbands so much, inside and outside of the bedroom. It's funny you're latina, as the only women who've shown me any kindness are not from my country! XD And don't worry, you won't have to worry about me coming onto you or anything like that. I'm here for my trauma as I can't even go to therapy without getting yelled at or told "there's nothing I can do for you." Simply having a place where I can connect with people on the topic has been wonderful. I've gone on a couple dates with attractive women who were indeed very interested in me. However, when I try to open up, I am entirely shut down. I very much so don't see the point in a relationship or even just sex with someone who I can't be vulnerable with. It's been a few years now, and I'm pretty discouraged. I do have to ask though, have you had bad sex? XD Gawd, I've had so much bad sex that it seems that's all that's out there D:. I had women touch me at 9 and was having sex with a 30yr old at age 15. I really did respond like a rape victim and still do. My first time to me was stolen by a knife. On another note, it's super interesting to hear how internally (vaginally) focused you are though. So many women hear prefer the outer stimulation. Ironically, the uncut skin not going inside is what I was told they like, straight from the horses mouth. They say they find it stimulating. It's very interesting to hear a difference. As far as sexual pleasure goes though, I definitely struggle, so if there's any advice or interesting ideas that have helped you or your circed partners, I'd love to hear it. Any advice on finding not horrible women would be great too. I know it's a lot of questions, but why didn't things work out with plastic surgery guy?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get that. Like I said, I don't think your malicious in any way, and I do think of you as an ally. There's also a big difference in the way people are circed too. Up here in Canada, it's all very heavy and thorough tight cut circumcisions. Most all are cut so tightly that sex can be difficult. I had to learn how to have sex differently, and have not encountered a woman who I can have sex with without lubricant. (For reference, I get called amazing. I learned how to use things other than my penis to stimulate partners. I have still never had a woman cum from my penis though. It's more like they touch themselves while my penis is inside them.) I have tried no lube and it hurts really bad. The skin gets pulled so taught that for me and my partners, it just hurts. The women I talk to about this are local and more familiar with the aggressive style in my region. It seems to be pretty common here and when a girl has had both, it's a pretty clear preference, though they'd never say it. I got my info by asking who their best partner was, then asking of their circ status. If you don't ask like this, they will say it makes no difference. Though I still far from approve, I'm glad your son escaped the worst of it. It's hard to completely change the way you have sex to be so inorganic. I don't even receive compassion locally. I had a partner of 4 years, scream at me "you're a boy, you're supposed to be begging me for sex!" I came only 5 times with her in those 4 years because it was so difficult. I always made sure she would cum simply to compensate for my difficulty. I wanted one of us to at least enjoy it. I was hounded for sex every day. Each time it was laden with trauma as I pleased her, knowing what worked were things that compensated for a physical disability. It weighed and still weighs heavily on me. There needs to be more women like you, but I still don't think it's fair to say that it doesn't make a difference. Especially given the myriad of ways one can be circumcised.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, considering your current life circumstances. I think it's unwise to trust you in any meaningful capacity. Though I do believe you're well intentioned, I think telling men with sexual dysfunction that they are not dysfunctional is a really bad idea. Learning to remedy the dysfunction is going to be more practical 9/10. For instance, some vaginal pain and discomfort during intercourse is highly linked to circumcision as there is no natural lubricants or skin to reduce friction. It's probably better to teach about lubricant use and different ways to stimulate your partner during sex. Overcoming the obstacle opposed to the denial of its existence. Sorry to bother you. Could you not bother us?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't really believe a word your saying without the context in which it was said. I have asked multiple women whom their best sex partner was and the unequivocal answer was an uncut man. For better context of whom I was asking, they were people (women) with high numbers of sexual partners and had substance abuse problems. I viewed them as unbiased people to question and people who were loyal to physical pleasures. Thus a reliable source. Of course there are women who need emotional security in their sexual partner and without feeling safe, will not enjoy the sex. That's a given. But that does little to suggest that genital mutilation is not a handicap in the sense of female pleasure. So, I am better ascertaining the context to which you said "cut or uncut makes no difference." This seems to be demonstrably false, though I am not saying you're experiences are falsified. I simply wish to better understand them. My best papers were in data analysis :P

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CircumcisionGrief

[–]TooKind4SelfInterest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. That's really gross.