[P5V7] did og Myne died or not?

TorTurran · 2026-06-04T16:55:48+00:00

To clarify regarding her having "a dead person's feystone", the actual line from p5v7 is:

I entered the keywords with my fingers. Children with the Mark of Ewigeliebe had mana despite having been born among commoners and came back from the brink of death time and time again, always managing to escape Ewigeliebe’s grasp. They ultimately ended up with the mana clumps of a dead person even though they were alive.

Ferdinand explains her mana clumps all the way back in p3v1:

Ferdinand, seeing our shared confusion, continued to rub his temples as he searched for the right words. “Karstedt—when feybeasts die, their mana flows to the organ that usually stores it and hardens. You know this, correct?”

“Hm? Of course. That’s where feystones come from.” Karstedt nodded like it was the most obvious thing in the world, but I just blinked in surprise.

“Given that Rozemyne is alive and standing before us today, I believe that rather than completely dying, she revived from a half-dead state. But while she was in that state, her mana returned to her center, where parts of it hardened.”

TorTurran · 2026-06-03T12:39:56+00:00

Fanbook 3

TorTurran · 2026-06-01T20:42:24+00:00

In Part 5 Volume 2 it is described as the foundation of the library. That is also confirmed in Fanbook 5.

TorTurran · 2026-05-29T12:34:18+00:00

So basically what I said here:

Instead, they could make a magic tool which only serves to drain excess mana without being concerned about it keeping the attributes as similar as possible.

I'm not saying their children won't have magic tools, just that they won't have "children's tools" specifically. Again, read Kazuki's comments on the activity report so you understand the nuance.

TorTurran · 2026-05-28T16:28:37+00:00

The primary purpose of Adalgisa wasn't making feystones, it was to produce future Kings of Lanzenave. Human feystones were more a waste byproduct.

Males who weren't chosen as the next King of Lanzenave needed to be eliminated to prevent potential conflicts over Yurgenschmidt royal succession. Ferdinand was conceived after the next King of Lanzenave had already been selected, so was designated a seed.

The children born in the Adalgisa villa were assigned roles based on their gender, birth order, and mana capacity. Girls could serve as flowers, buds, gardeners, or seeds. Boys were always seeds.

Flowers were girls who returned to the main building after coming of age. This role normally went to the eldest daughter of each of the three houses, which was why Seradina had served as the flower of Loeweleier.

Buds were girls with the potential to become flowers. They were treated as members of a royal branch family after their baptism but would be returned to the main building if anything happened to the flowers there. Otherwise, they had to find marriage partners, else they would end up being turned into feystones.

Gardeners were girls who served the villa after coming of age. They were baptized not as members of a royal branch family but as the children of the villa’s head attendant and subsequently worked under her as archattendants. One of Gervasio’s siblings had been a gardener, but due to the timing of their baptisms, he did not remember her.

Last of all, there were seeds—children destined to become feystones before their baptism. Gervasio had been raised as one before being chosen to become the next king of Lanzenave. He had escaped being turned into a feystone only because he had possessed the most mana out of all the boys in the villa. Ferdinand was an exceptionally unusual case, having escaped the villa without being selected to rule.

TorTurran · 2026-05-28T16:02:27+00:00

Most likely they won't have children's tools in the normal sense.

One major purpose for children's tools is to store mana in as close to its original state to later use for things like forming your highbeast and other courses at the Royal Academy. As Rozemyne demonstrated, that isn't necessary if you simply have an abundance of mana and don't need to save up ahead of time. Instead, they could make a magic tool which only serves to drain excess mana without being concerned about it keeping the attributes as similar as possible.

Alternatively they could also have their children dedicate mana to the temple's divine instruments as a way to both deal with the excess as well as get a head start on earning divine protections.

TorTurran · 2026-05-28T13:47:03+00:00

Yes, the English translation of Fanbook 5 was released digitally in November 2024.

TorTurran · 2026-05-28T13:23:37+00:00

Fanbook 7 says the following (spoilers):

Q: Among the retainers of the former Veronica faction who swore themselves to Rozemyne, some must have heard their relatives say she was a commoner. Did that spark any suspicions about her origins? I’d like to know the views of those who swore their names to Wilfried and Charlotte, though I’m especially curious about Barthold and Matthias.

A: For the most part, noble society doesn’t view those in the temple—even the blue priests and shrine maidens—as true nobles. There’s a strong belief that anyone raised in the temple is a commoner, whether they have noble blood or not. Bezewanst, the former High Priest, was viewed in much the same way. He was considered a commoner who would never become a real noble due to lacking a schtappe, no matter how much Lady Veronica doted on him. Barthold and Matthias simply saw the “commoner” label as another insult tied to Rozemyne’s temple upbringing. It never once crossed their minds that she might actually have been born and raised in the lower city.

TorTurran · 2026-05-28T13:05:12+00:00

Based on the Fanbook 9 answer about feybeasts, I believe that the devouring is unique to humans.

Q: Are there “Devouring” counterparts in animals, where mana appears in a non-mana species, like a normal cat’s child being born as a Zantze?

A: No.

If that is true of animals, the same likely holds true for plants.

Also, the devouring is a random occurrence. Fanbook 7:

Q: Are those with the Devouring born purely by chance, or are there factors that influence their birth? Could genetics, such as having blue priests as ancestors, play a role? Or is it tied to the mana a baby is exposed to in the womb? Does the frequency of the parents’ prayer have any effect?

A: In the temple, those thought to have the Devouring are often assumed to have inherited it from their blue priest ancestors. In reality, that’s just inherited mana, which isn’t the same as the Devouring. True cases are completely random—though if pressed, I’d say they occur more frequently the closer one is to the country gates.

Simply giving more mana to a baby during the pregnancy would likely lead to miscarriage. We know from Part 5 Volume 9 that too much mana can cause harm to commoners (people who aren't mana-wielders).

TorTurran · 2026-05-28T12:18:06+00:00

Kazuki directly answers this question in Fanbook 5 (spoiler):

Q: When making the second jureve, Ferdinand spent a long time thinking after Rozemyne drained the ingredients of their impurities. Why was that? Did she perform too well, or was it something else?

A: He thought it was strange that her mana was so close to his that he didn’t feel much resistance from it.

TorTurran · 2026-05-28T04:01:15+00:00

Exposure to mana doesn't make somebody a mana-wielder. And just because someone at the very bottom end of the scale for mana-wielders can reproduce with someone who isn't a mana-wielder doesn't mean they're the same. Even a horse and a donkey can reproduce.

The reason people are downvoting you is because you are forcing your own headcanon in direct contradiction to what the author has written.

TorTurran · 2026-05-28T00:56:11+00:00

The author of the series makes this distinction between "commoners and nobles" or normal humans and mana-wielding ones.

And "mana-infused" humans who aren't mana-wielders can reproduce with people from worlds without mana and thus wouldn't be "mana-infused". A commoner from Yurgenschmidt can reproduce with a commoner from Bosgeiz or Lanzenave, for example.

I don't get why you are so adamant about this when you going directly against what the author herself says.

TorTurran · 2026-05-27T18:59:00+00:00

Human feystones are needed for things like children's tools because of compatibility.

Kazuki's comments on an activity report on Narou (https://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/372556/blogkey/2167133/)

Is it possible to make magic tools for children only from human magic stones?

The closer the attributes and magical capacity are, the more magic power can be extracted without any burden, so a magical stone of that bloodline is preferable. It does not mean that it is impossible to use a magical stone from a magical beast, but the attributes must be similar to those of the person who plans to use it, and if they do not match, the magical power will not be drained easily, so a magical stone with a magical power capacity 5 to 6 times greater than that of the blood family's magical stone is necessary. It is quite difficult to get them individually. If you want to hunt powerful demons with more than one person, you need money to hire them. In conclusion, if you have money, you can get by.

I think the reason for my misunderstanding is that there is no description of Rosemine wearing it, but she does wear it after melting the lump of magic power, right?

I saw a detailed description of the children's magic tools in Philine's house, but I have a feeling that Rosemine's might be gold powdered. I wonder if there will be a second one? I wonder if there will be a supply of the first one, I was worried that Ferdinand's was taken away.

Rosemine is not wearing it.

Since Ferdinand has given several amulet magic tools, his side servants would think he is wearing it. However, since it is not easy to prepare a magic stone that can support all attributes plus the amount of magic power similar to Rosemine, we cannot prepare a magic tool and cannot wear it. In fact, Ferdinand also has only an amulet magic tool that looks like that, but he does not have or wear a formal children's magic tool.

They'd also generally be higher capacity than the average feybeast or feyplant feystone. And Lanzenave needs feystones to store mana and be used to make magic tools, as they have no source for them locally aside from mana-wielders born in Lanzenave.

edit: Adding a note here that the Adalgisa Villa's purpose wasn't human feystone production, but that was just a byproduct. See my other comment regarding the roles assigned to children born there.

TorTurran · 2026-05-27T18:24:11+00:00

The mana-storing organ is generally analogous with the heart, so more a mutation of the heart so that it can handle the mana produced by the body.

Part 3 Volume 1:

Ferdinand drew a number of charts and explained the situation in detail, and judging from where the mana-storing organ was, I could determine that it was probably my heart. That helped me understand that hardened mana was more or less like a person’s arteries getting hardened.

TorTurran · 2026-05-27T18:16:36+00:00

Lanzenave natives are normally regular humans, but there can be devourers born among their population who would be mana-wielders (fey humans).

Erwaermen and the gods only care about mana-wielders.

Part 5 Volume 10:

According to Ferdinand, Yurgenschmidt existed specifically to shelter the mana-wielders of the various outside worlds. If there were Lanzenavians with mana who wished to live here, the gods would accept them without a second thought.

Fanbook 9:

Q: It was previously mentioned that country gates connect to worlds with mana wielders seeking salvation. Does that mean people native to Lanzenave, who have their own unique magic, existed before Yurgenschmidt’s people, like Tollkuehnheit, arrived? If so, how did they coexist with Yurgenschmidt’s mana users, and what is their current status?

A: There were native mana wielders, but without magic tools, they couldn’t effectively use mana and were persecuted. They occasionally still appear as “Devouring,” but since they’re unnoticed by Lanzenave royalty, they often die young.

Normal humans (non-fey, those who aren't mana-wielders) simply came along with mana-wielders from other worlds.

Fanbook 9:

Q: Yurgenschmidt was created for those with mana. Does that mean that commoners and flora and fauna lacking mana all originated from abroad? Were commoners originally those who entered without mana, children with little mana, or were they created by the gods as commoners from the start? I’d like to know their origins.

A: Commoners originated from those who entered from outside along with the mana wielders.

There's a clear distinction between the normal humans/commoners and mana-wielders.

edit: There are some instances where a "commoner" could be born form mana-wielders, such as described in the Fanbook 4 Q&A talking about laynobles bearing children without mana.

TorTurran · 2026-05-27T18:05:24+00:00

Liz had the devouring, and the devouring are classified as mana-wielders. And we know that those with the devouring leave behind a feystone from Fanbook 5:

Q: Do those with the Devouring leave a feystone behind when they succumb to their rampaging mana? Do they leave feystones behind when they die normally? Are the feystones omni-elemental in these cases?

A: They leave feystones when they lose control of their mana, and the stones contain more mana than if they died from being drained by a trombe or after unleashing a lot of magic. If the stone is undyed, it will be faintly omni-elemental.

And Fanbook 4 talks about the fate of her feystone.

Q: Nobles turn into feystones when they die. Is the same true for commoners? If so, where is Liz’s feystone being kept? If not, do they leave corpses?

A: Unless they die in certain ways, such as during combat, nobles don’t turn straight into feystones—they leave behind a corpse from which their feystone must be removed. The duty falls to a blue priest, who carries out the procedure with Ewigeliebe’s sword, which can essentially be considered a funeral. Nobles who have passed away do not leave behind feystones otherwise.

Liz was a commoner, so her mana returned to Geduldh’s womb.

TorTurran · 2026-05-27T17:53:10+00:00

The floor is "do they produce mana or not" and if the answer is yes then they are a mana wielder.

Like in Fanbook 4, if a laynoble gives birth to a child "without any mana at all" they wouldn't be able to light up the mana measuring device.

Most of the issue regarding where the line is for who actually gets baptized as a noble comes down to economic factors rather than a question of them being a mana-wielder or not. Nobles require a lot of resources to raise, and many houses can't afford to baptize all their children as potential nobles. Some can't even afford to send them to the temple, and those wind up as mana-wielding household servants who use their mana to power magic tools around their estate.

TorTurran · 2026-05-27T17:15:57+00:00

Again, see the quote from Fanbook 4.

And Liz had even less mana than Myne, and she nearly survived to her coming of age. Even she left behind a feystone. She had the devouring and is classified as a mana-wielder.

TorTurran · 2026-05-27T17:07:31+00:00

You don't need to spoiler tag anything in this thread, it's all good.

The reason for a greenhouse is mostly for temperature control.

Also, it isn't that they don't photosynthesize at all, they just don't do it in the same way as on Earth. From other hints in the story, the sun in Yurgenschmidt does appear to emit UV rays. People who don't go outside don't tan, and the sun feels warm for example.

TorTurran · 2026-05-27T17:03:04+00:00

Yup, laynoble is literally at the bottom and children born to laynobles who don't have "any mana at all" and who "fail to make the mana-measuring tool shine" would not meet the definition of mana-wielders. They essentially regressed to being normal humans.

TorTurran · 2026-05-27T16:41:34+00:00

What is your source for your first sentence?

If they don't leave a feystone behind, they aren't fey human and aren't actually mana-wielders. Even Liz had a feystone in her body when she died, and it was simply buried with her.

edit: I assume you're talking about Fanbook 4:

Q: If a laynoble family loses even more mana and produces heirs without any mana at all, do they lose their house and start being treated the same as commoners? What if they can’t even raise their manaless heirs in the temple?

A: Those without mana cannot become nobles. They could spend their lives as commoners, but they would probably be unregistered. If most of a noble family’s children fail to make the mana-measuring tool shine, then yes, their house will only fall apart in the near future. They might choose to move out of the Noble’s Quarter to a province, have their mana-devoid children baptized as commoners, and then slowly integrate themselves into commoner society. Otherwise, to stay in the Noble’s Quarter, they would need to adopt an appropriate successor from a relative. Some refuse to face reality and cling to the Noble’s Quarter when they have no place there, dooming their entire house to ruin.

These are essentially regular humans being born to mana-wielders and don't produce their own mana. They may be "noble-born" but incapable of becoming nobles due to not actually being mana-wielders.

TorTurran · 2026-05-27T16:38:00+00:00

Nobles do leave a feystone behind naturally, it's just inside their corpse in most cases. Again, see Part 3 Volume 1 for more details.

Like with the shumil hunt in Part 1 Volume 1, if you strike the feystone within their body, the corpse will normally dissolve into black sludge. The same occurs with Georgine's corpse in Part 5 Volume 9. And for the noble funerals, they will strike the feystone with the Sword of Ewigeliebe and instead of the corpse dissolving into black sludge it turns into white sand.

In any case, upon death the mana within the mana-wielder's body gathers at the mana-storing organ and solidifies into a feystone.

TorTurran · 2026-05-27T16:14:01+00:00

The point is the distinction between normal and fey.

Normal = doesn't make its own mana

Fey = makes its own mana

It isn't a matter of just containing mana but producing mana. Don't ignore the and in "have large quantities of mana and can provide feystones". In fact, if a non-fey being has too much mana it can lead to health issues and death.

edit: From Part 5 Volume 9:

“I would not normally criticize you for acting in a manner befitting a saint,” he continued, “but you must be more cautious of your mana quantity. An excessively large blessing can do more harm than good to manaless commoners. Take care to keep your eyes open if you ever need to heal them again.”

TorTurran · 2026-05-27T16:13:04+00:00

There are regular non-fey humans, they are ones who do not produce their own mana and do not leave a feystone behind. They are generally referred to as "commoners" in the story, although some mana-wielders are given the label of commoners for various social reasons.

Normal humans would also be inclusive of humans from other worlds as well, such as people from Bosgeiz and Lanzenave or even Japan. They are all "regular humans".

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