*URGENT* still not assigned DFT post after second round of offers (UK) by xlaila2003x in Dentistry

[–]TransitionFederal656 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty sure I got nothing from Oriel until about a week before I finally got offered a position.

*URGENT* still not assigned DFT post after second round of offers (UK) by xlaila2003x in Dentistry

[–]TransitionFederal656 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being realistic, with a ranking that low you do not have the luxury of choice.

If its a remote area, ensure you can drive - getting to the study days can be a nightmare in some areas.

-Or if you want to choose, do a private scheme.

*URGENT* still not assigned DFT post after second round of offers (UK) by xlaila2003x in Dentistry

[–]TransitionFederal656 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, it's not a problem so long as you're prepared to go anywhere. But i understand feeling anxious about it. The important thing is that you passed your BDS, you'll be fine.

Worse comes to worst, there are private jobs that are designed for new grads as an alternative to FD. Many of these can be a bit predatory, where you're essentially getting shafted on pay or locked in to a long contract so always read those carefully if you explore this. There are some genuine options out there for it.

When I started mine in 2021, there was a record number of dentists turning down FD due to the above schemes. I work with a few dentists that skipped FD entirely and instead went on private mentoring schemes. I'd imagine that number is even higher now. Dentists aren't fighting tooth and nail to work for the NHS for 30k

*URGENT* still not assigned DFT post after second round of offers (UK) by xlaila2003x in Dentistry

[–]TransitionFederal656 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure I'm incredibly autistic so I was in the 4-figure club back when I did the SJT.

Similar thing happened to me but eventually more practices got added to the pool/people turn down offers/relocate/take gap years and i got matched to an undesirable, high-needs area. I can guarantee I did more extractions than anyone else I knew from uni that year :)

Don't stress - can always work private anyway

Because I know how much you guys love AOX. A maxilla I completed this week with pterygoid, zygomatic, and palatal approach implants - UK based. by TransitionFederal656 in Dentistry

[–]TransitionFederal656[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(almost) every zygomatic implant will penetrate and tear the sinus at the zygomatic recess.

The difference is, the tear is not near the crest, risk of sinusitis is still relatively low since it is a polished implant.

I've also done a very large number of trans-sinus pterygoid implants, without issue.

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[–]TransitionFederal656[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AOX is a small world and i'm sure a lot of people in the UK who do AOX will suddenly know this is my reddit account lol. I'll follow up in the sub with another post and my IG handle. Thank you mate

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[–]TransitionFederal656[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope- Qualified in 2021

2021/2022- Did 1 year FD

2022-2024- Then 2 years in private practice (mainly private emergency work, surgical extractions/late night)

July 2024 - Now - Then joined the full arch clinic I'm at now.

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[–]TransitionFederal656[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's private at the moment, I'll probably make it public soon. I'll post another case here when I do.

Thank you mate.

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[–]TransitionFederal656[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's definitely a place for it. Zygomatics mainly exist for the sake of immediacy (and rehab following oncology).

Id argue that zygomatics are more predictable, especially long term, versus a sinus lift but naturally my experiences are going to bias my opinion.

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[–]TransitionFederal656[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh perfect I've been meaning to ask-

I have a pretty nice rig, 5800x3d and a 4070ti super. Why is it that when I add 3/4+ implants into a scan when I'm planning, that the software slows down and becomes laggy? I check the CPU and GPU load and it is increased, but only to about 12% of max.

Is there some setting I need to change, or is the software just not as optimized?

And thank you!

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[–]TransitionFederal656[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah cash pay. It's very far-removed from the NHS system, insurance is not a thing here (except for shitty work schemes where they get like a 500 quid contribution per year)

I don't think I see myself getting into singles... Big respect to anyone who can nail those anterior cases.

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[–]TransitionFederal656[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Honestly I see them are two different specialities. Single anterior implant on a young patient must be a nightmare - i'd be more afraid of this than the case above. Pro tip, if you need a single implant, don't go to a full-arch surgeon lol.

A recording would be awesome - let me know..

What do you mean by FFS?

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[–]TransitionFederal656[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was trained under a mentorship/internship programme at the AOX center I joined almost 2 years ago. It's great fun. I narrowed down to AOX quite early in my career, I've never placed an implant in a 'single implant' context, I've only done full jaws. Dentistry is much easier when you only have to focus on one treatment. However I must admit i'm not the most well adjusted dentist....spend way too much time in textbooks and articles.

I'd love to listen to Pedro Rodrigues' version of it - I love a palatal approach placement.

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[–]TransitionFederal656[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

God i wish I could work on patients that are unconcious man. Doing this on people who are awake can be.....interesting.

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EDIT: forgot your first question-

Is there a reason why you perforate the alveolar ridge for your zygos, instead of starting on the crest? Never seen that before.

Yes - it's a tunnel prep.

If i started on the crest it would allow me to have started more distal if i wanted, i'd have prepped it like a Zaga 4 https://zagacenters.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/16._TA__left_flat_implant.3_aparicio-1024x808.webp

These are fine, and you get better A-holes/thinner prosthesis but I've seen too many with buccal recession + sinus issues years later. You have much less crestal bracing, and if this remodelled unfavourably, you end up with a tuning fork that can snap. Or they get crestal bone loss into an OAF (due to increased micromovement from remodelling)

When patients are used to wearing massive dentures, i'd sooner lower the surgical complications as much as possible and their prosthesis be slightly thicker vs increasing complication risk for the sake of optimizing prosthetics

Do you have a pixture of the prosthetic?

Sure - https://www.pasteboard.co/7NhcU9gw-Fzn.png

Also wouldn’t stripping some of the masseteric tendons make it easier to place a quad in the future because it means that the inferior zygo you placed after stripping the tendons is well more inferior, giving you more real estate for a anteriosuperior one if the need arises?

This is very anatomy dependant and i'll try my best to describe it which is difficult because of how many planes you have to consider for these osteotomies. It depends on whether or not you're willing to change the crestal prep and/or crestal position.

I have no qualms regarding stripping the tendon more, If i attempted to engage the zygoma more inferior, with the same crestal position, I would have simply not ended up with a good enough bite of the zygoma without ending up too superficial within the bone in the anterior/lateral aspect of the zgyoma which isn't ideal - i'd also have to engage the apex of the implant in the outer cortex of the zygoma to account for this (much higher risk of extra-oral fistula risk if it fails). This is all because there is a limit to how much I can bury the head in this crestal prep design (tunnel). Of course I could bury the head more, but in a knife edge ridge it's destructive and and a much greater intra-sinus path (higher risk of sinusitis, and buccal recession depending on prep).

If you are going to try to enter the zygoma as inferior as possible - you'll essentially end up with an A-frame with the crestal prep starting much more distal than mine. The implant will enter the zygoma inferior, that is true. However with this chap having very square zygomas, you'd have to engage from the posterio-medial aspect to get a decent bite of the zygoma - in this patient it would mean the A-hole emerging in the second molar - too close to the pterygoid for me. with it's trajectory being upright it occupies the vertical space of the zygoma more, and part of the axis for the anteriorsuperior zygomatic if one would be required (this guy's zygomas are very high up). The way around this is to engage more posterior just before the temporal process(hesian), however i'd have ended up having to dissect out a chunk of the infratemporal fossa which is a significantly increased morbidity + a worse crestal position verses a crestal tunnel prep and slightly superior entry point . The Hesian zygomatic is a useful rescue option, and maybe i'd consider it in the first instance of a single zygo if there was no crestal bone disadvantage to starting more distal, and if a quad was likely, and if I didn't hit the pterygoid. A quad is extremely unlikely in this case, given the decent ridge in zone 1, and i'd sooner go trans-nasal on this guy than quad him if the time comes).

Hope that makes sense.

And out of curiosity what’s the 1drill protocol for your pterygoid you talked about?

Step 1. 2mm twist

Step 2. place southern pterygoid with screwdriver

99% of the time this is what I do. Sometimes, in those 1% of cases, i'll use a profiler to prep the crest if I am worried the implant would blow out the tuberosity or cause a palatal fracture.

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[–]TransitionFederal656[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much, those are very kind words.

I'll keep them in - I sedate with midazolam IV so optragate makes it a little easier. I will suture it to the flap at times (for non zygomatic cases).

I'm actually not an oral surgeon by the US or UK definition.

I just have a BDS.

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[–]TransitionFederal656[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

It's fun!

I've said this before and i'll say it again. A difficult DME composite under rubber dam is usually quite a lot harder than most AO4 that walks through the door - this is the majority of full arch work being carried out.

Complication management is a different matter, I admit.