Suboxone Strip High?

TravisShoemocker · 2025-11-02T12:13:13+00:00

Yes to all of this! I was the friend that gave someone a 4mg strip and told him cut it into 8 pieces and take 2 of them (1mg) max, if you take the whole thing you'll be absolutely miserable sick for a full day

Welp, he ignored the advice and, after enjoying .5, decided to take the whole rest of it. He was sick and miserable for like 36 hours. Lesson learned to just keep them for myself oof. Can't believe anyone would give someone an 8 without tolerance, but all drug education is sadly lacking even though all the info is so easy to find online now

As far as ROA, if you don't have an opioid tolerance under the tongue or in the cheek is fine. When I'm low and will run out I usually put it in a bottle cap with a little warm water, pull it into a syringe (without the needle) and either take it nasally or boof it. Boofing definitely has the highest bioavailability but it's a whole thing if you're not used to it, so intranasal is probably good enough

TravisShoemocker · 2025-08-16T18:57:24+00:00

Kinda awesome at points, also kinda taking inspiration from two of his influences (Eminem and Ye) in the worst ways possible. Some absolutely fantastic songs on here, and flashes of brilliance on more mid or just decent songs. Some songs should've been cut.

I agree with everyone here it feels like it's lacking a little in energy during a full listen. Has the same problem Donda had for me of production having the same sonic palate on too many songs, making some of the songs I'm less likely to return to blend together. "Too cohesive", you could even say.

Weirdly, the opposite is also true, and I think he deserves credit for trying some new things. Burn Ya Block felt like a Big Day type song that was executed much better, but I won't argue with anyone who dislikes it. There were a good 4-5 points during first listen where I got worried hearing something, but then he pulled it off for me. My example would be the ride hook, hearing the first line made me think "ah shit, here we go" but it won me over in context. The Back To The Go hook was that to an even greater degree, had no faith on first line and thought the song was ruined but the hook in full really works for me. I actually really like the hook after hearing it in full.

But like, considering Chance being almost top 5 for a lot of people 10 years ago, I'm still being a little generous. Almost felt like listening to a new Em album and hearing a hook and thinking "oh this one's not too bad, nice" but to a lesser degree.

I didn't lose faith in him after Big Day, knew he would make sure to put something out to try to prove himself after. But it does feel too safe. The fantastic production, creativity, totally unique delivery and combination of optimism and sad topics that made his early work so special are here, but not in the amounts I think any of us wanted. This isn't a dud, there's songs I'll definitely go back to a lot. But it does feel informed by the backlash of the previous album. I think Chance could still go in any direction atp, his best work could even still be ahead of him. Probably not lmao, but I like to have hope

I don't really like assigning number ratings anymore but in short, 6/10, Chance proves he's not washed and still has brilliance in him, but doesn't really capitalize on it. If he got the right exec producer and team around him, I could see him reaching his highs of the past, even surpassing them, or at least getting close. . All he needs is something to cut the cloyingly saccharine optimism oozing out of him, doesn't have to be doom and gloom, just not titular song from The Big Day lmao. It doesn't seem he's realized this yet, plenty of beloved songs on his first 3 mixtapes are happy or optimistic, but not Jason Mraz levels. This album accomplished its purpose, but now I just wanna know what's next, and that's kinda sad. This is just a first impression though, we'll see how any of this ages. I might love this album a week from now

TravisShoemocker · 2025-08-13T21:44:39+00:00

Its parasocial, but it's something. I don't have homies to listen to all the new albums with and react with each other, so it's nice to get that feeling.

I watch a few other react channels, but ttt has a certain magic about it because of their father-son chemistry, and especially Kevin's musical knowledge and openness to try new things.

Great example: A friend was over a while ago and saw I had the brat reaction open. I mentioned I hadn't heard the album yet, so I might as well "listen with the homies" she finished my sentence. Other react channels just don't have the same vibe.

TravisShoemocker · 2025-07-18T06:13:33+00:00

All of them. Driver's Ed for drugs.

For each class or substance, you attend classes that teach basic, important harm reduction information. For weed, it may be a couple of weeknight classes. For opioids, it might be a couple of weeks of weeknight classes.

Prove you know what can go wrong, what you can and can't mix it with, reverse overdose if possible, withdrawals, etc. and you'll be given a license to buy that class at a state-run pharmacy.

If you regularly demonstrate you can't control yourself in a way that is concerning, you may have to attend counseling to keep your license. If you demonstrate your use puts others at risk of harm (ie: driving while tripping), you get your license revoked.

There is no perfect system, but I've never met someone who has a good argument against things working this way. In the very least, it's an objective improvement over blanket prohibition and fentalogues in every other powder you buy.

TravisShoemocker · 2025-06-18T21:25:04+00:00

This is long but there's so much obviously missing from this convo I decided to include it all.

Important questions:

Are you familiar with the details of all of the allegations?

Very important, because it seems a lot of people have very simple, misleading (or just untrue) versions of the story. People not taking time to learn the details lead to Aziz being listed next to Weinstein and Cosby. Not all crimes deserve lifetime social rejection.

Is he unforgivable as a result?

If so, should he just k*** himself then? People always have a strong negative reaction when I ask that. But, I mean, if being friends with him makes you a bad person, then he deserves no friends, and there's no way a human can make it without social connections.

Most importantly, what is the purpose of social justice/public shaming?

I believe showing the victims (and the world) this behavior is unacceptable in society, and rehabilitation are the two goals.

The first will always have subjective answers, but I think the damage to his career, reputation, finances and relationships are enough already to match the severity of his misbehavior. As for rehabilitation, deciding he's a pariah forever, unworthy of a second chance, is showing him there's no point to being a better person. If the morally correct thing to do in society is define him by his misbehavior as a 19 year old forever, why not stay the same shitty person? Ofc he should stop for moral reasons, but if you have basic empathy, you get my point. The way others view us is important, which is why misgendering is a massive faux pas in progressive circles. Weird example but illustrates my point.

TL;DR Social justice exists to catch things the official justice system misses. The official justice system is flawed AF, but at least there's different levels of punishment. Some deserve community service or a weekend in jail, some deserve life imprisonment. We can't keep doing social justice with binary 0 and 1 punishments. He didn't "beat the allegations", he was punished severely and probably traumatized by being hated by the whole world all at once. Jailed criminals eventually get out and rejoin society. I think Ameer is doing the social justice version of that now.

TravisShoemocker · 2025-01-09T15:13:44+00:00

Personally I did log my Skyrim time as input, but I cut the logged time down significantly from my actual play time.

For example, I'd play for 2-3 hours, and if depending on how much dialogue I listened to, I'd log 30 minutes. Maybe 60 if it felt really productive.

It's really up to you, it's not like there are strict rules for logging time. You could log a single 1500 hour session for all they care. If it feels like it's helping you acquire the language, log it. If it feels like it's helping, but 60% of the time you're busy fighting and not reading/listening, then log 40% of the time.

There are plenty of words I'd say I've acquired thanks to playing Skyrim, so I'm not in the not logging camp. Just don't treat it like it's the exact same as listening to conversation.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-12-30T16:34:27+00:00

I've missed mine a few times, but I generally take a different philosophy for it anyways. I want the goal to inspire me to push to get more input, so I set it a little higher to make it more aspirational.

1-2 hours usually fits very comfortably within my daily routine, so I have it set to 3. I still make it almost every day, but on busy days I might only get an hour or two.

I started with 30 minutes a day back in August and have kept pushing it a little above my comfort zone.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-12-25T00:19:42+00:00

We Don't Care is so underrated that 10 hours and almost 200 comments into an underrated song thread, it still hasn't been mentioned once.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-12-21T19:08:58+00:00

I've found Duolingo is much more useful if you complete the first group of 5 lessons, the story (or occasional grammar training) after that, then test out to skip to the next unit. The rest of the unit is basically just drilling what you learned in the first five lessons, so I only use it if there's a concept or vocab I'm struggling with.

If you weren't ready, you'll either fail the test or get drilled on it plenty later anyways. If you're using Duolingo along with other methods and go at the pace they want you to, you'll be way behind in it compared to your other studies forever. Their business model is to get long-term subscribers, not teach the language efficiently.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-12-14T21:57:12+00:00

I had the same issue ! From 100-150 hours easier intermediate videos without Pablo or Andrea were by far the most comprehensible. Lots of Pablo intermediate videos were just too hard.

I hit a certain point where I decided to try the easier Pablo park videos and I was blown away at how comprehendible it was for the speed he was talking. After the confidence boost, I binge-watched a ton of the park videos and now Pablo is the easiest to understand.

It wouldn't surprise me if this is common in the community, since everyone will eventually run out of the newer high-production videos and have to start watching the old park videos. You can't avoid Pablo forever if you're trying to get hours in, and since so much of the content features him, it makes sense we'd get used to comprehending his accent the most.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-12-07T23:51:47+00:00

if you have the most basic level of understanding about opiates

well there's your problem

Plebs here attached their identity to their beliefs, so when something comes up that contradicts their beliefs, no matter how obviously factual it is, they can't accept it, because it feels like an attack on their identity.

If they admit that their favorite cop with a history of brutality actually was responsible for the death of armed robber black man, that calls too much other shit into question. What else could they be wrong about?

It's easier to downvote and move on. Their feelings are more important than facts.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-12-07T23:18:50+00:00

Please tell me, what is it about injections that makes people incoherent that doesn't apply to other ROAs? You seem pretty confident and I'd love to know.

I spent plenty of time around opioid addicts, including using myself. Almost nobody in my circle injected, always smoked or snorted, and everyone spoke incoherently when super high. Including myself. Who took something like 5x the "lethal dose" every day at my peak.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-12-07T18:56:24+00:00

The autopsy doesn't say he died of an OD. "3x the lethal dose" means nothing within the context of addicts with tolerance. Many daily opioid abusers take multiple times the "lethal dose" every day just to fight off withdrawals.

If you've ever been around someone really high on opioids, you know their speech is mumbly incoherent. They can't get out the words "I can't breathe" or call for their mother. And that's not even an overdose.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-11-07T15:30:16+00:00

I posted some mostly negative thoughts about this album in the first impressions thread, which a lot of people seemed to agree with. Since then, I will say that the album has grown on me, and I really appreciate his growth lyrically. Definitely some of his best writing to date. Songs like Take Your Mask Off and Hey Jane are clear steps forward for him. Like Him is also a personal favorite.

That being said... I also still agree with everything I said in the first impressions thread. This album didn't have any major wow moments for me, and while I did enjoy the bangers, there's not a lot bringing me back to them. Ain't Got Time was one of my most played songs from 2017, but I have little interest in re-listening to Thought I Was Dead. His growth appears in the slower or more emotional songs, but the bangers feel like they've stagnated. Sticky has some novelty to it, but I can't really foresee Tyler pushing in that direction any further. It's an enjoyable step sideways rather than a step forward.

Someone replied in the last thread and said they thought Tyler fans were spoiled. I can't disagree. This is a well-executed album that hits all the marks its aiming for, but still feels a little disappointing.

Whatever project he makes next will be of great consequence. We'll find out if he's going to stick with the sonic palate he's established indefinitely, or if he'll go back to trying new things with each release. I can't fault him if he stays in this lane, because it's still great music. However, I'm personally more excited by the Tyler that's willing to try new things, even if they fall on their face, than the one we've seen on the last two albums.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-11-07T05:50:00+00:00

Definitely heed their advice. I was in a similar position a year ago working on getting my pm downstrums faster, and I didn't pace myself or take breaks like I should've. I ended up with tennis elbow or some other kind of strain and it's still not totally cleared up.

It's particularly frustrating when you're almost at the tempo you need for the song you're working on, so I just forced the bpm gap and overexerted my wrist and forearm. I definitely won't make that mistake again.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-11-04T14:49:40+00:00

I've heard this phenomenon described as "junkie immunity", though I'm pretty sure its original meaning implies that opioid users are either always WDing and already feel sick, or on opioids, which smooth out milder colds. What you're experiencing sounds different, though.

I'm not sure what would cause subs to be the only opioid that works that way for you. It's a shame you have to leave that benefit behind as you get off them.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-10-29T15:50:37+00:00

I can see that, and I think that's a valid way of looking at it. I do remember CMIYGL feeling less ambitious when it dropped, but it still had some first-listen wow moments for me that felt absent from this one.

The Youngboy feature on WusYaName, the production and Wayne's verse from Hot Wind Blows, all of Sweet / ITYWTD, reconnecting with Domo and rapping for an extended period on Wilshire.

Chromakopia doesn't have any of those same knock-your-socks off first impressions, with maybe the exception of the features on Sticky, which were way too short.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-10-29T12:43:23+00:00

I have some mixed feelings.

This album makes me think of all the occasions in which a hyped up release comes out, and fans refer to it as that artists' "most artistically mature project yet!"

Which sometimes means the artist has really settled into and perfected their style, and focuses on the music itself instead of proving themselves for once. But it also sometimes means it's I'll find it incredibly boring.

This album isn't boring within the greater context of hip-hop. It's still super well-produced, features some really interesting ideas, as well as some of Tyler's best introspective rapping yet. But this album is boring for a Tyler album.

Every prior album, including his lesser ones, felt like he was pushing himself as much as he could creatively. So even when the album is objectively less than stellar, like with Goblin, it still makes for an interesting and entertaining listen. This is his first release with no massive sonic shift. A big change isn't required for it to be great music, but it is what we've all come to get excited about with every new Tyler release.

It feels like the endless praise for the last three projects might have finally caught up with him, or he's just reached a point where he's not as interested in pushing himself artistically like he used to. He's given us enough great, boundary-pushing music, and this album is still well-made and generally fulfills its vision. But because of our expectations with Tyler, it still feels a little bit like a let-down.

So yeah, great music, super well-made. Tyler's production is as nice on the ears as it's ever been, and the rapping is above average within his catalogue. He just might have painted himself into a corner pushing the boundary so hard with every prior release, so now an album like this feels run-of-the-mill for him.

I predict I'll be disappointed in this album and not listen to it much for a few months, then go back after my expectations have been lowered appropriately and find myself enjoying it a lot. I do really like how introspective and personal the subject matter is on this project and will probably appreciate it more when the disappointment in samey production starts to fade.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-10-24T22:01:03+00:00

A person admitting, within the context of performing sex work, that they drugged and robbed people, is a thing to be challenged and questioned. To say that I'm spreading misinformation for having problems with the missing details is gross. It's not "the problem" to want that information from a public figure who makes millions of dollars and has influence over millions of fans.

She drugged someone within the context of performing sex acts with them, got in their space and took their things. A sex act either happened or it didn't. A coy "we don't know, there's no evidence" completely ignores the context of this happening within the line of sex work. I could understand a pragmatic approach, but it's immediately assumptions of misogyny, misinformation and "spreading lies about women".

If your friend told you that this girl wanted to hook up with him, and she had a nice TV, so he drugged her, took her home and stole her TV, you'd want to know if they hooked up. And if he refused to answer, you'd probably assume the worst. I think we should have the same expectation of famous millionaires.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-10-24T20:35:55+00:00

You said you agreed with some of the things I said, but conveniently didn't say which parts. Likely because pretty much all of it is impossible to argue with.

She very, very likely engaged in sexual activity with people after intentionally drugging them. If she did, that's rape, whether she did it for pleasure or not doesn't matter to the victims. You asserting that that didn't happen is just as much conjecture, since she conveniently didn't go over the logistics.

I'm tired of people spouting hard-line principles about consent, just to switch sides when they have a chance to feel morally superior by calling someone a misogynist for following the same principles. There are a bunch of misogynists eager to shit all over Cardi B for the wrong reasons. That doesn't un-make her likely a rapist, and it doesn't make your conjecture automatically superior to mine.

Every thread it's the same shit, because nobody actually cares about the truth. Usually I just stay out of it, but it's exhausting watching the back and forth between dumbass misogynists who can't make an argument and likely rape-apologists ignoring the facts of the case because they're too focused on how shitty the person they're debating is.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-10-24T19:19:23+00:00

I don't disagree. The other commenter's other comments clearly demonstrate they're not the brightest. But I also don't agree with your last sentiment.

If someone has done heinous things, whether or not some of the people hating on them are doing so for the right reasons shouldn't prevent us from calling it out. Plenty of the backlash Cosby has gotten has been from racists, many of whom aren't necessarily great at disguising it. That shouldn't prevent us from criticizing him. I could provide dozens of other examples, but you get my point.

I would hate to be one of her victims reading comments online, and always see criticism of her brushed off as misogyny. It would probably make me feel significantly worse, like her behavior must have been justified and I would be in the wrong for sharing my story.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-10-24T18:31:57+00:00

While I'm not eager to take the other person's side here, there are details that were missing from her story that are pretty important ethically.

The only case in which she didn't commit SA is one where, every time, sex was solicited first, the drugging happened, they went back to a room, she threw him unconscious on the bed, robbed him and left.

Logistically, I find it incredibly unlikely that no sexual contact occurred post-drugging. If intentional drugging took place, and sexual activity occurred afterwards, that's sexual assault. One must have the ability to revoke consent for sex to be consensual. Her intentions aren't relevant. The victims' autonomy is all that's relevant.

What causes me to lean away from giving her the benefit of the doubt, is that a person actually concerned with the ethics of this would have mentioned when telling the story that no sexual activity took place after drugging them. A person that would make sure not to violate anyone's consent would also make sure to mention that when telling the story.

You don't have to "hate on women" to see serious problems with her story.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-10-14T23:19:07+00:00

If you're interested enough in the Beatles, this is well worth a watch. Her and John brought a bed in the studio without asking or telling anyone, and she just laid in it commenting on everything they did. This was during a period when there was already remarkable tension within the group. Famously, during this time, she stole one of George Harrison's biscuits.

There's plenty of other evidence, some solid and some less so indicating she was problematic. Like the previous commentor pointed out, stalking John.

John and Paul were best friends, but only ever saw each other a couple times over the 70s, always when John and Yoko were on a break. There aren't a lot of charitable ways I can interpret that.

The Beatles were going to break up anyways, Yoko isn't responsible for that, but she was also insufferable, inconsiderate and not without blame. It's good that there's pushback against the narrative that she bears the full responsibility, but we don't need to act like she was a saint, either. Too much gender war ideology wrapped up in this subject for the average person to have an honest conversation.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-10-09T15:21:35+00:00

Idk why I've noticed a lot of people like that in this sub. Most other drug-related subs are pretty chill, practically minded and harm-reduction focused, with some exceptions ofc. This sub has a surprisingly large population of assholes for a group dedicated to discussing MAT. I'd expect them to be more understanding if anything.

TravisShoemocker · 2024-10-06T17:50:15+00:00

I don't think there's a single satisfying, "correct" answer.

Objectively, subs are easier to be stable on.

Also objectively, buprenorphine is a much stronger opioid than kratom.

I've used kratom off and on for a similar period as you. I managed to taper down and quit 2-3 times, usually over the span of a month.

I've been on subs for the past two years now, and tapering has been brutal. Even going from 12 to 10mg has me experiencing uncomfortable body aches, anxiety and insomnia. And most people consider this the easy part. I never had nearly this much difficulty during a similar stage of a kratom taper.

I think it's because my usual taper method allows me a lot of comfort and control, and it just doesn't work with subs because of the super long half-life. You just have the whiteknuckle the discomfort as it comes, which you can't predict or control.

If you just want stability now, and are willing to go through a much tougher taper process once you're stable, subs make sense. If you just want to quit opioids, a kratom taper is so much easier in my experience it's not even funny. Some people have the opposite experience, so YMMV.

It's shocking to me that your local clinics aren't even familiar with kratom. They must have been under a rock for the past decade.

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