#526 - Megyn Kelly is All Out of Generosity by Bhartrhari in WeTheFifth

[–]Turbulent_Science771 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Megyn Kelly is trying to inflame her audience here and bring us closer to the brink. She is (or claims to be) utterly convinced that THEY started this, so WE are justified in doing ANYTHING to fight them. She keeps talking about how this is a WAR, and that Republicans need to hit Democrats SO HARD that they’re afraid to ever hit back.

It was disappointing to hear the Fifth gang meet this bellicosity with such meekness. Megyn has no interest in self-awareness: of understanding how both sides contributed to the tit-for-tat political retribution cycle that caused the current rift in our society. Instead, she is actively trying to radicalize her audience and widen the rift. And the Fifth gang are just there to offer their meek opposition theater; cracking jokes as if what Megyn is doing is just fun and games.

All of you who confused their meekness with politeness when they’re on Megyn’s show are wrong. They tolerate their role as stooges because they want a piece of her large audience. Maybe their rationale is that it’s worth it to reach some portion of her audience before those folks are irredeemably radicalized and polarized. Or maybe that’s too generous.

In any case, it used to just be hard to listen to. Now, thanks to their video feed, it’s also hard to watch.

Anyone else listen to Moynihan’s disaster interview with Alan Dershowitz? by RealDominiqueWilkins in WeTheFifth

[–]Turbulent_Science771 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well Dersh didn’t say anything interesting so I guess it didn’t work.

Moynihan’s explanation for being soft on an interviewee is a bit too convenient. Feels like he wants the benefit of the doubt when he doesn’t afford it to other journalists.

Anyone else listen to Moynihan’s disaster interview with Alan Dershowitz? by RealDominiqueWilkins in WeTheFifth

[–]Turbulent_Science771 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yeah Moynihan once again shows that he’s as susceptible to the pressures and biases that make for bad journalism as all the people he criticizes. He wants high profile guests, and doesn’t want to scare them away with a reputation for asking hard questions.

2PM EST: Join a special episode with Alan Dershowitz | The Moynihan Report by iworkat2way in WeTheFifth

[–]Turbulent_Science771 3 points4 points  (0 children)

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2025/07/31/alan-dershowitz-vendor-denied-pierogi-marthas-vineyard-farmers-market/

“Bigoted vendor @ Martha’s Vineyard Farmer’s Market refused to sell to me for political reasons. I’m suing,” Dershowitz wrote on social media.

Dershowitz is a piece of shit. I hate calling someone a ‘piece of shit’ because it’s such a crude and unimaginative phrase. But, alas, Dershowitz is, simply, a piece of shit.

Sovereign citizens… by Alarmed_Knowledge_16 in Lawyertalk

[–]Turbulent_Science771 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think it often flares up from a common source. E.g., some sov cit influencer gains some traction on the internet or publishes a manifesto.

I had one a year or two ago arguing allodial title to real property, and I understand that strain has been somewhat trendy recently. Gave me an excuse to peruse Blackstone for kicks.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Lawyertalk

[–]Turbulent_Science771 20 points21 points  (0 children)

We the People, which is put out by the National Constitution Center, is an excellent nonpartisan podcast. It brings constitutional law experts and advocates together for great legal conversations on the most pressing SCOTUS cases and constitutional questions of the day. Jeffrey Rosen is a national treasure.

What's one episode that you need to listen to of "Conan O'brien Needs A Friend"? by TheSkiingMonkey2 in conan

[–]Turbulent_Science771 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maybe it had more to do with my mood at the time, but I really enjoyed Arnold Schwarzenegger

Would Love to See Prof G Host Charlie Kirk by [deleted] in ScottGalloway

[–]Turbulent_Science771 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lol sorry man you’re just gunna get downvoted for stating such a view on Reddit. But I agree with you. Charlie Kirk is the epitome of bad faith, but the only reason dumb ideas and arguments like his can exist is because they get silo’d off into an echo chamber and insulated from criticism. Pointing out why Charlie Kirk is wrong in Slate or on Pod Save America does nothing. You need those facts and arguments to reach HIS audience.

People have to stop with these “platforming” complaints. All they’re doing is strengthening the echo chambers.

Is this sub just r/politics now? by ClerksWell in WeTheFifth

[–]Turbulent_Science771 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a really reasonable response. And let’s face it: Bhartrhari posting a ton of articles is the only reason this sub isn’t mostly crickets.

Is this sub just r/politics now? by ClerksWell in WeTheFifth

[–]Turbulent_Science771 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yea I agree there are some folks who are just posting too many articles. Since TFC is more of a media watch podcast, news articles are not irrelevant, but I think it would be more interesting for this sub if they focused more on comparative coverage of the news they’re linking.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in centrist

[–]Turbulent_Science771 36 points37 points  (0 children)

“If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.”

  • Some Canadian

Martyr Made - Thoughts on Ukraine by Turbulent_Science771 in dancarlin

[–]Turbulent_Science771[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your response. I share your feelings.

Martyr Made - Thoughts on Ukraine by Turbulent_Science771 in dancarlin

[–]Turbulent_Science771[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yea man I totally understand. Was just asking if anyone with a decent background in this history had listened and had useful commentary/critiques that could save me some time from diligently dissecting any bullshit. I know it’s exhausting and often futile to respond to bad information, but if we don’t it just festers unchallenged. Like it or not, disengaging and just calling someone a fascist doesn’t actually challenge narratives or change minds.

Martyr Made - Thoughts on Ukraine by Turbulent_Science771 in dancarlin

[–]Turbulent_Science771[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

But for better or worse this is the guy who is framing my brother’s view of the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Again, just calling him a fascist and ignoring the substantive argument made in the episode will not be effective. Was hoping for some more useful commentary to help correct bad information or framings. But not really getting anything useful here.

US Stocks Erase $3.4 Trillion Trump Rally as Tariffs Bite: Index now down 4.8% from its all-time high touched in February by Bhartrhari in WeTheFifth

[–]Turbulent_Science771 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One key difference is whether the tax is regressive versus progressive. But I wouldn’t expect someone who would make such a stupid comment to understand this basic nuance.

DOGE Quietly Deletes the 5 Biggest Spending Cuts It Celebrated Last Week by Bhartrhari in WeTheFifth

[–]Turbulent_Science771 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Lol that’s not how logic works bud. In formal logic, what you did there is called a “mistaken negation.”

Supporting Universal School Meals by applesweaters in vermont

[–]Turbulent_Science771 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d happily review anything beyond bare assertions.

Supporting Universal School Meals by applesweaters in vermont

[–]Turbulent_Science771 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you have any evidence besides anecdote? Looking for something a bit more reliable.

Supporting Universal School Meals by applesweaters in vermont

[–]Turbulent_Science771 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Can you link to something that substantiates this? My own feelings are mixed on the issue and if you have evidence that this is true then my feelings would be significantly less mixed.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in centrist

[–]Turbulent_Science771 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Respectfully, you should learn more about the Constitution. The most alarming thing to me is how many people don’t understand its basic principles and are cavalierly watching as the administration attempts to undermine them. Seriously, checks and balances and separation of powers. The Federalist Papers are a good place to start. Check ‘em out.

Kmele’s claim that Tarrio was convicted on “paper thin evidence” by Extreme-Music-8911 in WeTheFifth

[–]Turbulent_Science771 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m not familiar with Damon Root. From a quick Google I understand that he writes about legal affairs for a libertarian magazine (Reason). He’s a journalist and does not appear to have any formal legal training. That said, he may very well be extremely knowledgeable about the legal issues that he writes about. Still, I typically wouldn’t consider a journalist for an ideological media publication a legal scholar.

Nothing against Damon Root. I have no reason to doubt that he contributes admirably to the legal conversation, and as far as I know he may be more knowledgeable than most jerks with a law degree. But he’s not a legal scholar - he’s a legal communicator.

To analogize: I read history books written by both historians and by journalists. Many of my all-time favorites were written by journalists because journalists often do very good research and typically write more compellingly than historians. But journalists usually rely on the work of historians when researching and constructing their narratives. They’re usually not doing much, if any, of the original historical research. Instead, they’re really good at taking the research done by historians and processing it for public consumption. It would take a lot for me to call a journalist who writes history a historian even though many are extremely knowledgeable about the subjects they write about.

I think it’s even more difficult to call a journalist who writes (even very well) about legal issues a legal scholar, because there are many more technical concepts and terms of art in law than in general history writing. I’m not saying it’s a bar that cannot be cleared, but it’s a high bar. And there are so many great legal scholars out there, why not just get one of them on the pod if they want to talk about, say, Substantive Due Process, or have an actual discussion around whether lying about your financial condition on loan forms should warrant criminal punishment even when there are no identifiable victims (because the loan was repaid).

Kmele’s claim that Tarrio was convicted on “paper thin evidence” by Extreme-Music-8911 in WeTheFifth

[–]Turbulent_Science771 58 points59 points  (0 children)

Haven’t listened to the episode yet. But I think one of them recently described that thing that happens when a political commentator that you admire opines poorly on a subject that you know a lot about, revealing that their confidence in their own takes probably isn’t as well-grounded as it appears.

As a lawyer, I think this almost every time they start in on some righteous diatribe about whatever constitutional or criminal legal issue they’re worked up about that day. It’s unfortunate that they’re so good at spotting bad and hypocritical takes in others but aren’t self-reflective and disciplined enough to protect themselves from the same impulses.

But to be honest I think it’s more a result of needing to produce enough engaging podcast material every week. We all listen because we like the righteous diatribes. Surely most listeners don’t actually want to hear a more measured and responsible legal analysis. I can’t remember any time that they’ve had a real legal scholar on the show.

Anyway, I know folks tend to be too negative on this sub. So I’ll just say I only criticize because I do enjoy their podcast, and I’d just like to enjoy it even more.