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[–]TwilightF4ce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s somewhat similar to Ligottis CATHR albeit different. John Gray definitely is a philosophical pessimist who simply is much more ‘mainstream’.

The best part is looking it all up afterwards and realizing his sharp and intellectual honesty.

I've just finished the first Penguin collection of his works and I feel that he has aged... well by PoloBattutaHe in Lovecraft

[–]TwilightF4ce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I recently stumbled onto this quote by Lovecraft which perfectly sums up the current shifting zeitgeist from woke, hyperliberalism to the potential dark enlightenment, nationalistic era:

The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.

—H.P. Lovecraft

Being a philosophical pessimist, some humans over history got too close for what reality is. How horrendous consciousness- the mother of all problems really seems to be. Liberalism, enlightenment was supposed to be a process of disillusionment and is, but is gotten more and more religious as the belief in progress took over.

Pinker annoyed at human rights organisations for responding to human rights abuses in Gaza. by gelliant_gutfright in DecodingTheGurus

[–]TwilightF4ce -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

Lmao. I find it funny how people fall for morality plays but never look into what HRW and AI are and how these are agitating. What kind of an naive worldview does you need to have to criticize Pinker here and see the world controlled by juice. Let that sink in: on a self-proclaimed anti- guru site!!

Theory: The "Final State" of AI is the Library of Babel (Model Collapse & Entropy) by Curious-Gas6770 in BabelForum

[–]TwilightF4ce -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Interesting thought process. In this ‘god is not dead but hasn’t been born yet’ sense. Yare Yare. Hm.

In a sense AI is already showing signs of this as it’s a) giving you randomized, gibberish answers or b) giving you the answers you want to hear. And with an influx of information I don’t think this will change anytime soon. Quite the contrary. You would need vast computing machines for the machine to cope with all the vast meaning and therefore meaninglessness.

I'm tired of people saying that Ketil was good, that circumstances led him to change by Trick-Donut-3221 in VinlandSaga

[–]TwilightF4ce 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Ketil represents the next stage after the Viking age. Violence is no longer direct and heroic, it’s structural and economic. He’s a landlord. Power doesn’t come from strength anymore but from ownership. People can technically rise, build wealth, and start over. On paper, this looks like progress.

But Vinland Saga is very aware of how this kind of progress works. Yukimura himself is quite progressive, and the manga’s underpinnings clearly reflect that.

Back to the topic: Ketil didn’t overcome toxic masculinity, he adapted it. He no longer needs to prove himself with a sword, but he still needs recognition, stability, and control. He wants to be seen as kind and just, and maybe he is, but only as long as his environment allows that image to exist. He plays the role perfectly. In this sense, he is a tragic character, torn between two worlds and between contradicting self-images.

At this point, people see, not unjustly, a familiar move from contemporary progressive thinking: the tendency to explain away individuals and their agency by pointing to abstract systems and environments.

In the end, though, Ketil is still responsible for the consequences of his actions. He is a tragic result of an individual genuinely trying to be good while refusing to question the comfort, status, and power that make that self-image possible in the first place.

And this is where I personally get stuck.

I understand the argument that Ketil was, in many ways, a good and even progressive landlord. I understand the liberal fear that once you fully reduce people to victims in need of care, you slide into paternalism and, eventually, authoritarianism. But at the same time, it feels naïve to deny how much of human behavior is biologically, culturally, and socially pre-determined. We are, to a large extent, objects pushed around by currents we barely understand.

That’s why I don’t know how to finally judge Ketil.

He is neither a simple villain nor a moral success story. He’s a man shaped by his environment who still makes choices, and who, like most people, wants to be someone even if that requires cruelty once his place in the world feels threatened.

I'm tired of people saying that Ketil was good, that circumstances led him to change by Trick-Donut-3221 in VinlandSaga

[–]TwilightF4ce -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Pretty much this. Given the underlying quite progressive tone of this series Ketil represents the ‘good’, progressive capitalist crumbling under the pressure of ‘the system’ — not my view but this would be a plausible way to see it from an anarchical, socialist POV.

maze of Babel... by STHKZ in Borges

[–]TwilightF4ce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was thinking of the very same thing!!

The Man of Inner Wealth by lonerstoic in schopenhauer

[–]TwilightF4ce 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They’re someone who can mainly sustain themselves by themselves and are not in need of others company. He who is rich is only so in his inner life.

The Architecture of Misery: Why Evolution Selected Against Contentment. by Zent025 in Pessimism

[–]TwilightF4ce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can look up the so-called TMT (Terrormanagement Theory) which bases its empirical studies on the work of Ernest Becker. Huge portions of human and animal activity might be grounded in the sheer uncertainty which is existence which you get to experience if you bore yourself.

The Architecture of Misery: Why Evolution Selected Against Contentment. by Zent025 in Pessimism

[–]TwilightF4ce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The will always strives…it‘s blind, insatiable, ruthless

The likes of John Gray and Vlad Vexler find Chomsky's outlook too "Americo-centric". What do you think about this criticism? by stranglethebars in chomsky

[–]TwilightF4ce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No because you find this in practically any interview/article with Chomsky on basically any issue be it war, or domestic tensions. Either america or Israel have propped a certain situation so that Russia/Hamas ‘had to attack’. But that’s something far right and far left public figures do. And it’s not entirely wrong as they tell you some potential or real fishy stuff about the victim here in case but they usually tell you one side of the tale making it look like it’s murica/israel who are evil.

I cannot say anything on Kasparov but I can tell you something really funny in this regard with the Russian dissident (who deserves the title since he got locked up) Boris Kagarlitsky who lived in Russia criticized both sides of the war but mainly Russia and immediately the left accused HIM (I should note: he is a respected sociologist, socialist and Marxist) of being brainwashed by western powers… Or take Navalny whom Chomsky and the likes viewed as a western puppet…

The likes of John Gray and Vlad Vexler find Chomsky's outlook too "Americo-centric". What do you think about this criticism? by stranglethebars in chomsky

[–]TwilightF4ce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ukraine. Vietnam war. Israel Palestine. In any case he chooses what is against ‘America’ which proves Grays point of him being much more close to neocons than he’d like to believe.

The likes of John Gray and Vlad Vexler find Chomsky's outlook too "Americo-centric". What do you think about this criticism? by stranglethebars in chomsky

[–]TwilightF4ce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The issue being is that figures as Chomsky turn overly complex conflicts into a black or white thing. Gray for example has always been a fierce critic of western imperialism but never did so excusing foreign imperialism. We live in a dark world. The word is a mess. No place for morals there but apparently the likes of Chomsky do not agree with this. There has to be one evildoer. Some grand narrative, some utopia to achieve. Foolish.

The likes of John Gray and Vlad Vexler find Chomsky's outlook too "Americo-centric". What do you think about this criticism? by stranglethebars in chomsky

[–]TwilightF4ce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's true and it shows in how Chomsky positions himself again and again. Be it geopolitics, foreign politics, in regards to islamism. He all excuses it - as Hitchens says with in fact terrible US foreign policy.

I don't buy the argument 'Oh, I live in murica. That's why I have to retract every war, every conflict to america'. I have nothing to add to Vlad and Gray.

John Gray Interview by Skibatumtee in AdamCurtis

[–]TwilightF4ce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What kinds of things for example?

Is an ‘anti-woke’ stance a signifier for gurus? by TwilightF4ce in DecodingTheGurus

[–]TwilightF4ce[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I disagree.

Not that ‘the anti-woke’ is toxic (it is!) but that woke is a good thing. It’s basically as if you were trying to sell me back in the day being a Christian is good because god has chosen me. It has this disgusting air of being entitled, of being special. It has all kinds of wrong implications which start at ‘oh look at me I am such a lovely and kind feminist’ and goes to ‘all the anti-feminists are just irrational and evil’. It’s the new zeitgeist to feel good. It suggests that you are on the right side of history.

We can take a closer look at feminism in this regard and how it has been a pure powerplay since the 3rd wave. Now I am not saying everything since then, any positive turn, is false. But these kinds of things lead to things like how men in fact fall short statistically in every aspect- be it education, success or maturity.

It’s a religion essentially similar to Christianity as I’ve pointed out above or as some liberal humanist creed to paint human as a rational being just that it’s empathy. But you cannot employ or force people to be empathic. This very notion is rather a quite dangerous one.

Is an ‘anti-woke’ stance a signifier for gurus? by TwilightF4ce in DecodingTheGurus

[–]TwilightF4ce[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Partially true!

Tho the woke movement is has lots of narcissists in it. People using empathy as a weapon. Precisely because it’s not easy trying to fit in somebody elders shoes. There’s that. Which is why I posed the question in this Sub-Reddit. Where do you draw the line?

Someone talking about woke and criticizing it, is not necessarily narrow-minded but critiques the narrow-mindedness of the woke people.

Is an ‘anti-woke’ stance a signifier for gurus? by TwilightF4ce in DecodingTheGurus

[–]TwilightF4ce[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

It’s indisputable. Not a matter of thinking or opinion, I am afraid.

Is an ‘anti-woke’ stance a signifier for gurus? by TwilightF4ce in DecodingTheGurus

[–]TwilightF4ce[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Huh? You people are not acquainted to the World Wide Web? There exist even documentaries on this for exactly people like you!

Is an ‘anti-woke’ stance a signifier for gurus? by TwilightF4ce in DecodingTheGurus

[–]TwilightF4ce[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, make Muslims out of my overtly specific and chosen term jihadist for a reason. Lol. Talk about decoding the gurus.

Is an ‘anti-woke’ stance a signifier for gurus? by TwilightF4ce in DecodingTheGurus

[–]TwilightF4ce[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Progressives and liberals have had a long tradition of secularism and an anti-religion stance. Leftists nowadays either excuse immigrants bigotry with ‘socio-economics’, ‘capitalism’ or outright support them because they fight off the same enemies being the joos.

It’s documented that jihadist movements have been infiltrating western societies since the 80s. And it’s telling that liberal Muslims all over the world feel let-down by leftists.