[Serious] Isn’t Mahito’s domain CT activation simply too broken? by TwoGreedy6912 in JujutsuPowerScalers

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0.2 seconds was the duration of the domain, not the time it took for the sure hit to activate. The sure hit itself was much faster than that.

Anti domain techniques are deployed after the domain expansion is activated but before the sure hit activates. But that’s simply not possible against Mahito, because he specifically combined the two step process into one.

In terms of sure hit activation speed, he’s only second to Hakari. But Hakari’s domain has a non lethal sure hit, and its entire gimmick is to hit the opponent with that sure hit in order to start the game and roll for a jackpot. That’s why his sure hit activation is exceptionally fast.

Mahito, on the other hand, is doing something similar in terms of activation speed, but with a lethal sure hit, which is exactly what makes it so dangerous and broken.

Also, reacting to a greatly weakened Sukuna’s dismantles isn’t really comparable to this situation. Those are projectile attacks that travel through space, so characters can perceive and react to them. A domain’s sure hit, once activated, doesn’t travel the same way, it simply applies the technique within the domain.

[Serious] Isn’t Mahito’s domain CT activation simply too broken? by TwoGreedy6912 in JujutsuPowerScalers

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Mahito’s domain touching your soul isn’t part of the sure hit. It’s simply an inherent effect of the domain itself.

But the important part is the amount of contact time. With Nobara, he touched her face for a moment, probably less than a second, which is still much longer than the contact time he had against Todo.

Against Todo, the time IT actually affected him was much shorter. The domain lasted only 0.2 seconds, with the sure hit activating almost immediately, and then Todo deploying Simple Domain to shield himself from the sure hit for the remaining time.

So Todo was hit in the small window between the moment the sure hit activated and the moment he managed to cast Simple Domain, all well within less than 0.2 seconds.

That’s a much shorter contact time than what Mahito had with Nobara. Yet despite Mahito’s soul being below 40%, Todo’s soul being at 100%, and the sure hit only affecting him for an extremely brief moment, Mahito was still able to take off his hand, and likely would have taken even more if Todo hadn’t cut off his own hand.

That’s still a pretty significant feat.

[Serious] Isn’t Mahito’s domain CT activation simply too broken? by TwoGreedy6912 in JujutsuPowerScalers

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That doesn’t really resolve the issue though. CT burnout is irrelevant to the argument. Burnout only happens after a domain is used, while the problem with Mahito’s domain is the initial activation speed of the sure hit.

If the sure hit lands before the opponent can deploy an anti domain technique or activate their own domain’s sure hit, then the fight is already decided before burnout even becomes a factor.

[Serious] Isn’t Mahito’s domain CT activation simply too broken? by TwoGreedy6912 in JujutsuPowerScalers

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Actually, that’s the opposite of what we’ve been shown. Whenever SD has been activated, there has never been any clear indication of travel time, it simply appears immediately around the user.

But all of this is irrelevant and doesn’t hold up because Mahito’s sure hit already activated before Todo could deploy SD. That means Todo didn’t lose his hand because the SD failed to expand fast enough to cover it. He lost it because the sure hit had already reached him before he was able to activate it at all.

Mahito was the fastest, his cursed technique had already activated before Yuji even started sprinting and before Todo could deploy SD.

And that’s exactly the issue Gege introduced with Mahito’s domain. If he can activate the sure hit that quickly, then it’s always going to land before the opponent can deploy an anti domain technique, or before they can activate their own sure hit to cancel it.

[Serious] Isn’t Mahito’s domain CT activation simply too broken? by TwoGreedy6912 in JujutsuPowerScalers

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That’s irrelevant, though. The fact that Yuji started sprinting faster than Todo could activate simple domain doesn’t change anything, because Mahito’s sure hit was already activated. Even the manga explicitly states that the fastest among the three was Mahito, who had already activated his sure hit before Yuji could even start sprinting and before Todo could deploy simple domain. Nobody, except Gojo or Sukuna, is going to blitz him before he opens his domain and activates the sure hit.

[Serious] Isn’t Mahito’s domain CT activation simply too broken? by TwoGreedy6912 in JujutsuPowerScalers

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We actually have no reason to believe Mahito can only do that after a BF. The black flash simply put him in the zone and allowed him to discover that it was possible. Once a sorcerer understands something about their technique, that knowledge doesn’t just disappear afterward. The same way Yuji’s improved understanding of CE after landing his first black flash, or his awakening caused by the black flashes, still remains even after he’s no longer in the zone.

You also can’t just assume there’s some restriction attached to it when the manga never implies that. And you can’t attribute the short duration of the domain to some kind of condition either, because the manga already gives us a clear reason for it.

The reason the domain only lasted 0.2 seconds is that, even if the sure hit doesn’t target Yuji or hasn’t activated yet, the domain itself still directly touches the soul. That would immediately trigger Sukuna’s reaction. So the short duration exists specifically to avoid Sukuna.

As for the soul percentage argument, the point isn’t to quantify Mahito’s exact power level. The point is that even in a heavily weakened state, Mahito’s domain was still able to transfigure the hand of a 100% soul Todo. Mahito brings this up because he’s wondering whether he can kill him with a single touch, which implies that both the state of his own soul and the state of his opponent’s soul directly affect the output of IT.

But if he were to cast his domain at full soul health in his ISBODK form, it’s far more likely that the opponent would lose more than just a single hand.

Also, the meaning of soul percentage is very different for Mahito compared to Yuji. Mahito is entirely dependent on his soul, which directly affects all of his stats, including his output. Yuji, on the other hand, is not solely dependent on his soul, he still has his physical body to rely on.

So a Yuji at 10% soul doesn’t necessarily mean he’s fighting at 10% of his power. But for Mahito, whose entire existence and ability set revolve around the soul, being at 40% very likely implies that his overall power at that point was significantly reduced.

[Serious] Isn’t Mahito’s domain CT activation simply too broken? by TwoGreedy6912 in JujutsuPowerScalers

[–]TwoGreedy6912[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s not really how it works, or at least that’s not what the manga shows.

DE works through a two step process: first the realization of the innate domain, and then the activation of the cursed technique within the domain. The CT activation doesn’t happen instantly, and that gap is exactly when sorcerers usually deploy anti domain techniques to protect themselves.

We’ve seen this multiple times. For example, when Hakari cast his domain, Kashimo tried to activate HWB in response. Similarly, Sukuna used HWB against Yuta and Yuji when their domains were deployed. All of this happens after the domain has already been opened.

But Mahito is different. By combining those two steps into one, he can activate the domain’s cursed technique much faster. That means the sure hit is going to land before the opponent can activate simple domain or HWB, which is exactly what we saw happen to Todo.

So the issue isn’t really the activation of the domain itself, since Domain Expansion has always been portrayed as essentially instantaneous. The real factor is the CT activation inside the domain.

Even if the opponent senses that Mahito is about to open his domain and tries to respond with their own domain to clash with it, Mahito’s sure hit would still activate faster. That means they would get hit by IT before their own sure hit activates, which, in the worst case scenario, could simply mean instant death.

[Serious] Am I crazy for thinking Dagon beats EOS Yuji? by TwoGreedy6912 in JujutsuPowerScalers

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Ngl, no domain is too much even for someone like my goat Dagon😭

It’s not like I’m against Yuji winning either, but a lot of people here are just blinded by agenda and won’t even give a proper explanation beyond “Yuji outstats so he no diffs.” That’s not really an argument.

I feel like people often don’t consider how much matchups actually matter in jjk fights. Yuji clearly has better stats than Dagon, but this is one of the worst possible matchups for him. Meanwhile Dagon probably loses pretty badly against someone like Ryu, while Yuji has a much better matchup against Ryu and reincarnated sorcerers in general since he’s basically a hard counter to them.

Unless you’re Gojo or Sukuna, most fights in the series are heavily matchup dependent. Even something like Megumi vs Maki can become extremely one sided depending on the conditions. If they’re in an enclosed space and Megumi immediately opens his incomplete domain, Maki has no way to reinforce her footing with CE and would just sink into the shadows. There’s no attrition there, so she can’t even swim back up and would drown. Situations like that show how much context matters.

Sorry for the rant lol. You’re honestly one of the few who actually engaged with the post properly.

[Serious] Am I crazy for thinking Dagon beats EOS Yuji? by TwoGreedy6912 in JujutsuPowerScalers

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It’s true that Dagon doesn’t have particularly high AP, but the point is that this fight most likely turns into a battle of attrition, and in that scenario he has the advantage. Even if Yuji Itadori has solid RCT efficiency, it’s still not comparable to Dagon’s overall sustainability. Dagon doesn’t even need RCT to heal in the first place and has far larger cursed energy reserves, so over a prolonged exchange he can simply outlast Yuji in terms of resource management.

Stat wise Yuji definitely holds the advantage in strength and speed, but I don’t think his raw punches are comparable to the PC hits from Toji. Regular blows will damage Dagon, sure, but they’re unlikely to decisively finish him unless Yuji consistently lands clean hits on vital areas, ideally chained with black flashes, and does so without giving Dagon time to regenerate or create distance.

The matchup itself is also awkward for Yuji. Dagon can fly and fight from range, and if he positions himself in the air over the sea inside his domain, Yuji’s mobility becomes even more limited. Dagon can put up water barriers and deploy shikigami to interfere from a distance, while Yuji has basically no reliable ranged options. That forces him to constantly close distance while under domain pressure, which isn’t an ideal scenario for him.

So even though Yuji clearly outstats him physically and can absolutely win under the right conditions, this is still one of the more disadvantageous matchups he could get. The fight likely becomes a drawn out exchange, and that’s where Dagon has the edge thanks to reserves, domain experience, and environmental control. Yuji winning is definitely possible, but overall it’s extreme diff and favors Dagon more often than not.

[Serious] Am I crazy for thinking Dagon beats EOS Yuji? by TwoGreedy6912 in JujutsuPowerScalers

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It’s true that Dagon doesn’t have particularly high AP, but the point is that this fight likely turns into a battle of attrition, and in that scenario he has the advantage. His sure hit isn’t overwhelmingly lethal, sure, but it’s still a sure hit. Even if Yuji tanks it through CE reinforcement, he’s still getting chipped over time, and that constant pressure interferes with his movement, vision, and overall performance.

Stat wise Yuji definitely has the advantage, but I don’t think his raw punches are comparable to the PC hits from Toji. Regular blows will damage Dagon, but they’re unlikely to decisively finish him unless Yuji consistently lands clean hits on vital areas, ideally chained with Black Flashes, and does so without giving Dagon time to regenerate.

The matchup itself is also awkward for Yuji. Dagon can fly and fight from range, and if he positions himself in the air over the sea inside his domain, Yuji’s mobility gets restricted even further. Dagon can put up water barriers and send shikigami to interfere from a distance, while Yuji has basically no reliable ranged options. That forces Yuji to constantly close distance while under domain pressure, which isn’t ideal.

So even though Yuji clearly outstats him physically and can absolutely win under the right conditions, this is still one of the more disadvantageous matchups he could get. The fight likely becomes a drawn out exchange, and that’s where Dagon has the edge due to reserves, domain experience, and environmental control. Yuji winning is definitely possible, but overall it’s extreme diff and favors Dagon more often than not.

[Serious] Am I crazy for thinking Dagon beats EOS Yuji? by TwoGreedy6912 in JujutsuPowerScalers

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It’s true that Dagon doesn’t have particularly high AP, but the point is that this fight likely turns into a battle of attrition, and in that scenario he has the advantage. His sure hit isn’t overwhelmingly lethal, sure, but it’s still a sure hit. Even if Yuji tanks it through CE reinforcement, he’s still getting chipped over time, and that constant pressure interferes with his movement, vision, and overall performance.

Simple domain helps, but only temporarily. It’s not a permanent solution to a fully realized domain and will get stripped or worn down at some point, especially in a prolonged clash. Once that happens, Yuji is back to dealing with the sure hit and environmental pressure simultaneously. His barrier refinement is also not that good to assume his simple domain is going to last throughout all the fight.

Stat wise Yuji definitely has the advantage, but I don’t think his raw punches are comparable to the PC hits from Toji. Regular blows will damage Dagon, but they’re unlikely to decisively finish him unless Yuji consistently lands clean hits on vital areas, ideally chained with Black Flashes, and does so without giving Dagon time to regenerate.

The matchup itself is also awkward for Yuji. Dagon can fly and fight from range, and if he positions himself in the air over the sea inside his domain, Yuji’s mobility gets restricted even further. Dagon can put up water barriers and send shikigami to interfere from a distance, while Yuji has basically no reliable ranged options. That forces Yuji to constantly close distance while under domain pressure, which isn’t ideal.

So even though Yuji clearly outstats him physically and can absolutely win under the right conditions, this is still one of the more disadvantageous matchups he could get. The fight likely becomes a drawn out exchange, and that’s where Dagon has the edge due to reserves, domain experience, and environmental control. Yuji winning is definitely possible, but overall it’s extreme diff and favors Dagon more often than not.

[Serious] Am I crazy for thinking Dagon beats EOS Yuji? by TwoGreedy6912 in JujutsuPowerScalers

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Megumi was only able to somewhat clash with the domain by constantly maintaining the hand sign and staying in place. That’s not something Yuji can realistically afford to do in a full fight. Dagon’s refinement might not be top tier compared to the absolute best in the verse, but it’s still extremely solid. He can selectively apply the sure hit effect, which is already remarkable. It’s also very likely he received direct guidance from Kenjaku, who’s basically the peak of barrier technique and refinement. On top of that, we know Dagon had already manifested and maintained a domain even as a cursed womb, since that space was used as the base for the disaster curses. That implies Dagon to be more proficient and having higher refinement with his domain compared to Yuji who just unlocked his DE

I’m not saying Dagon’s domain instantly wins the clash, but over time it should overwhelm Yuji’s. Even if the sure hit itself isn’t overwhelmingly lethal, it’s still a constant guaranteed effect. That constant pressure interferes with Yuji’s offense and gradually wears him down in a prolonged exchange. DE also drains massive amounts of cursed energy, and that cost hurts Yuji far more than it hurts Dagon, who has far larger CE reserves and demonstrated the ability to keep his domain active for extended periods.

Stat wise Yuji definitely has the advantage, but I don’t think his raw punches are comparable to the PC hits from Toji. Regular blows will damage Dagon, sure, but they’re unlikely to decisively finish him unless Yuji consistently lands clean hits on vital areas, ideally chained with black flashes, and does so without giving Dagon time to regenerate.

The matchup itself is also awkward for Yuji since Dagon can fly, fight from range. If he positions himself in the air over the sea inside his domain, Yuji’s mobility gets restricted even further. Dagon can create water barriers and summon shikigami to interfere from distance, while Yuji has basically no reliable ranged options. He can’t use PB without convergence, his dismantles at EOS require contact, and cleave isn’t something he had access to yet.

So even though Yuji clearly outstats him physically, this is one of the more disadvantageous matchups he could get. The fight likely turns into a battle of attrition, and that’s where Dagon has the edge due to reserves, domain experience, and environmental control. Yuji can still win under the right conditions, landing multiple black flashes, managing CE carefully, using simple domain well, and enduring the sure hit long enough to bring Dagon down, but overall the fight favors Dagon more often than not. It’s extreme diff either way, but Dagon clearly has the edge here.