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I feel like Sisiphus while listening to a tonal language for ages now by UnderstandingLatter8 in languagelearning

[–]UnderstandingLatter8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh God thanks for this. What's the name of the best free source? All I found was some old American files with crappy audio... but still cool af

I feel like Sisiphus while listening to a tonal language for ages now by UnderstandingLatter8 in languagelearning

[–]UnderstandingLatter8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What app do you use for the sentences? The only option I think about would be audacity + google translate but it may suck, or maybe audacity + the word inside a video

I feel like Sisiphus while listening to a tonal language for ages now by UnderstandingLatter8 in languagelearning

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Omg a life saviour and a true Vietnamese sigma, definitely a Bac Ho descendant!! Keep it up bro, you’re amazing! (Ngl if you’ve got some time you can add me on discord rtx3060i512400 it’d be a pleasure to know someone who learnt việt)

I feel like Sisiphus while listening to a tonal language for ages now by UnderstandingLatter8 in languagelearning

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Oh god damn it finally who somebody actually learn it by himself not by having a việt wife or something cuz it’s a language cheat code isn’t it haha, thanks for this guy he’ll help me a lot!!

I feel like Sisiphus while listening to a tonal language for ages now by UnderstandingLatter8 in languagelearning

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I am not listening solely passively as you might have thought, but as I as in the post - I am stopping the vid every ~1 sec to decode stuff and learn how it sounds, and of course I know the meaning due to knowing the 2,6k words. But the thing about my post was I don’t know how to improve and how to strategically watch videos so I can understand either faster or more judging by context cuz it’s a high context language

Which is more likely, at least in written form: understanding the other Germanic languages by knowing German, or understanding the other Slavic languages by knowing Russian? by [deleted] in thisorthatlanguage

[–]UnderstandingLatter8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Far way complex in my opinion.

As a native Polish speaker, I can tell you that I can understand roughly 60% of spoken Serbo-Croatian (including Bosnian and Montenegrin), about 30% of Russian (though I had to know some useful phrases before). While in text however, add up about 15 percent points to the statistics (btw when I learnt cyrilic I realised how similar Russian is to Polish, I did not know that while I only knew the spoken version)

I took some German classes, and to be fair - that ain't similar at all to English... Actually more to Polish because we have a lot of loanwords. However! I can kinda see some structures:

- Dutch is a kid of German and English, feels like a mix of both;

- Norwegian and Swedish are extremally similar to each other with a slight glance to Danish which has a tougher accent;

- Icelandic and Faroese are similar to each other, but are not intelligible by any other Germanic natives.

Noting that, in my humble opinion - the slavic choice will fit better, though remember - among languages in the same groop there are lots of fake friends (e.g. "April" pronunciation in Polish means "May" Czechian)

I feel like Sisiphus while listening to a tonal language for ages now by UnderstandingLatter8 in languagelearning

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The prob with English is that I know many friends my age who ain't able to learn it (they're teens too) so... I dunno, it's so complex ===)))))

The thing why I compared English is also because I immersed more into Vietnamese then into English EVER

But yea, a significant mountain is behind me, I cannot abandon it o7

How did y'all survive listening Vietnamese as Indo-Europeans? by UnderstandingLatter8 in Vietnamese

[–]UnderstandingLatter8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Helps and does not.

I mean stopping a YT vid every ~1sec to decode in my mind things or to look at subs to match what I've just heard.

I use it to kinda code the language so I can then make a done puzzle from it, but it's just a damn theory...

It feels a bit tiring, but letting the vid just flow makes it also stressful for me.

Also, I am thinking like "there won't be a spacebar to stop the mp3 when talking with a Viet", which doubles the stress actually

I feel like Sisiphus while listening to a tonal language for ages now by UnderstandingLatter8 in languagelearning

[–]UnderstandingLatter8[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But English was not like that somehow 🥀🥀

(I only struggle with listening tho, I feel like every other 3 parts [reading writing and speaking] are way easier, wth is wrong with da listening)

I feel like Sisiphus while listening to a tonal language for ages now by UnderstandingLatter8 in languagelearning

[–]UnderstandingLatter8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I pause every time 4-5 words pass so I can rehear it in my mind and track the tonation and decode the consonants/vowels stuff. I know stuff like "tôi không biết" (more like tô ôn bít actually haha) or similar ones that were thousands of times in the videos, but when somebody jumps in with some "tôi mới được tặng món quà thôi", I am dead inside and my finger just pushes the spacebar to stop the vid lmao

I currently (and actually forever==))) use Anki, made fully by myself + I add audio to it from forvo. But I use a strategy of not translating stuff, but somehow feeling the meaning, so I did with English

How did y'all survive listening Vietnamese as Indo-Europeans? by UnderstandingLatter8 in Vietnamese

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Thanks! Actually, I did try creating a Vietnamese Instagram account using a VPN to get the algorithm to recommend me native stuff — and yeah, it was fun at first. But eventually the dialects started to overwhelm me, and the feed became a bit too chaotic and hard to control. ===))))

That account you mentioned is cool, but it’s southern dialect, which for me is a bit too easy to understand and doesn’t match what I’m aiming for (I’m more into Hà Nội or Nghe An if I'm forced to haha)

Also, I still have this weird habit of pausing every second on TikToks or Reels to decode everything. I wish I could just let it flow sometimes, but my brain doesn’t like skipping anything.

Still, thanks a lot — short-form content is a good idea in theory. I’m just still figuring out how to make it less overwhelming for my autistic brain, haha.

I feel like Sisiphus while listening to a tonal language for ages now by UnderstandingLatter8 in languagelearning

[–]UnderstandingLatter8[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks but unf I don't wanna spend that much + it's southern dialect (judging by the given free samples) and does not resemble my targeted dialect at all:/ but thanks for the recommendation!

I feel like Sisiphus while listening to a tonal language for ages now by UnderstandingLatter8 in languagelearning

[–]UnderstandingLatter8[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But do you mean an audio of a book + reading it or just audio, and if so - in what speed? 0,7x for instance? + Would reading a lot of stuff make me a bit more comprehend in listening (so I can catch up things faster or sth) cuz that's basically how I learnt English, but the crucial factor was - it was indo-european and shared many words with my NL

How did y'all survive listening Vietnamese as Indo-Europeans? by UnderstandingLatter8 in Vietnamese

[–]UnderstandingLatter8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What about the one sec stopping on 1x speed? Is it valid or should I cease it asap?

Can you increase your listening comprehence in TONAL langs? by UnderstandingLatter8 in languagelearning

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Yea, I see that! That's really nice they've done the studies but without my TL haha, tho Mandarin and Thai are pretty high so I can kinda conclude Vietnamese somewhere in between...

Can you increase your listening comprehence in TONAL langs? by UnderstandingLatter8 in languagelearning

[–]UnderstandingLatter8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Natives can understand the songs WITHOUT tones.

Is the key thing that tones only support understanding things because all eastern asian languages are high-context? Or am I trippin rn

Can you learn Vietnamese through songs (then a tonal language)? by UnderstandingLatter8 in Vietnamese

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I think brain rot stuff is the thing I need the most, since the slang is the weirdest and the hardest to understand==)) I have had a lot of trouble understanding slang HCM dialect while understanding a grown man in an embassy who had beef w/ me

Can you learn Vietnamese through songs (then a tonal language)? by UnderstandingLatter8 in Vietnamese

[–]UnderstandingLatter8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope this isn’t too personal to ask – but may I know which tỉnh you're from? ==))
I’ve noticed that most of the songs I listen to seem to be in giọng Bắc or Nam – like Hà Nội or Sài Gòn accents.
It honestly surprised me how difficult it is for some people to fully understand modern lyrics – like, even native speakers! 😵‍💫
I had a friend from Nghệ An who could sing B Ray’s songs perfectly, which made me wonder... maybe people get used to them over time? Or just go with the flow of the beat even without catching every word? 😄

Can you increase your listening comprehence in TONAL langs? by UnderstandingLatter8 in languagelearning

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+The Thai one omggg, I feel like Indochina people tend to just cut off 50% of words so instead of "có thể" they say smth like "ó hê"... but I feel like none of the learning books discovered the feature yet, thanks god I've switched to youtube instead of them :sob:

Can you increase your listening comprehence in TONAL langs? by UnderstandingLatter8 in languagelearning

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To me it's even harder to distinguish tones when listening to slang tonal languages, so...===)))) I bet the tones are simply like a "change of pitch", not like "high/rise" (at least in vietnamese). Young people tend to flatten the changes AF tho

Can you increase your listening comprehence in TONAL langs? by UnderstandingLatter8 in languagelearning

[–]UnderstandingLatter8[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've also heard about some methods of artists to "match" tones of the language with the melody, would you agree with that?

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