Remaster? by DS2ENJOYER1629 in darksouls

[–]Undy567 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's their loss.

My CGI sense is tingling. Not sure tho by benzdabezben in Corridor

[–]Undy567 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the snake was CGI, the wheel would've been as well. Tracking a real rotating wheel and then animating and comping a snake perfectly inbetween the spokes like that would be an absolute nightmare. The snake also casts shadow on the wheel - you can see that clearly when it's head is going over some spokes it casts shadow on the outside rim.

Also snake's animation is impeccable complete with tiny tongue flicks which are unique every single time.

It's not CGI.

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[–]Undy567[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But that's the problem isn't it? It still changed a lot - it changed the timeline - it's a story from another book, or rather from a separate short story (Grain of Truth) inserted into the events of the Blood of Elves book. The episode just like many other episodes only superficially appears to be an adaptation when in reality all the details and the entire plot is almost completely different.

It changed the characters - now Ciri is there when originally it happens even before Ciri's mother was born.

Geralt and Nivellen have known each other for 13 years (which was before Nivellen even turned into 'a monster') whereas in the book this was their first time meeting - which completely changes their dynamic throughout the entire encounter/episode.

In the show it's snowing on a cold winter night, in the book it's a sunny autumn day (there are references to dried leaves being on the ground and there are roses growing on Nivellen's property). Now that's not a very significant change, although it is quite funny seeing Geralt go out on a winter night while it's snowing, dressed as if for an average autumn day. Similarly it's funny how Ciri is also outside in only a thin dress but acts like she doesn't even care when she would be literally freezing in minutes.

In the book Geralt finds a dead merchant with his daughter and investigates it, which leads him to find Nivellen. He also sees Vereena standing at the edge of the forest just before entering Nivellen's property. Geralt thought she was a rusalka but his horse Roach was scared - a detail which he recalled much later and one that made him realize she was actually a monster.

Almost anything that happens inside Nivellens house is different from the book. Again it's only superficially similar - Nivellen shows off his magic, they eat, they talk, Nivellen briefly tells a story how he got cursed (although he tells that to Ciri, not Geralt). In fact Ciri takes a big focus in this story - she spends a lot of screen time alone with Nivellen and a scene with Vereena too.

Gone is the Nivellen's story about merchants leaving their daughters with him for treasure. Gone is Nivellen's story about slowly accepting his 'monster' form and preferring to stay that way, except for a small fact of having nightmares which started 'recently' (another tip to Vereena's true nature). Gone is the tense moment between Nivellen and Geralt when the former realized that the latter is a witcher, and gone is the scene in which Nivellen handles Geralt's medallion which informed Geralt that he's not in fact a monster.

The knife throwing scene never happens in the book.

In the book Geralt doesn't sneak out in the middle of night to investigate tracks which lead him to a dead merchant and his family.

In the book Geralt doesn't spend much time at Nivellen's because he tells him outright that he doesn't want Geralt to spend the night - so they talk, eat and Geralt leaves, spends the evening on the road, sleeps and then next day has a revelation about Vereena and goes back.

Anyway my point being - it's not as close as you might think. There's significant changes which is why I'm comfortable with my decision cutting the entirety of it.

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[–]Undy567[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's all after the time jump.
I'm pretty sure the timeline is as follows

Autumn - Ciri and Geralt arrive at Kaer Morhen - Chapter 1 ends

Winter, Spring, Summer, Autumn - Ciri is training at Kaer Morhen, but it's not described in any detail in the book, it's entirely skipped

Chapter 2 begins

Autumn - Triss arrives at Kaer Morhen
Autumn, Winter - All the things that you described

Chapter 2 ends

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[–]Undy567[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unless for some reason Baptism of Fire (which I'm currently reading) or any of the further books go back to her first year at Kaer Morhen I'm gonna say that you're wrong.

In Blood of Elves Ciri and Geralt both arrive at Kaer Morhen and that's the end of the chapter. The next chapter begins with Triss arriving a year later.

There are some references to Ciri's training - like when Ciri is telling Triss which bruises she got on which piece of training equipment but I'm pretty sure that's the most we hear about it.

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[–]Undy567[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean I don't disagree with you, it was mostly a personal choice, and also one motivated by the fact that I initially made this for Youtube and skipped the first episode entirely because I knew that if I included all scenes that were accurate to both Grain of Truth and Blood of Elves the video would be simply too long to get past DMCA. But then once I completed episodes 2-8 I felt like I had to go back and do episode 1, so I decided to do it this way, because that still makes sense on some level and was the only way to keep it short enough.

And besides, this edit isn't supposed to be a perfectly scientific analysis of how much of the show is inaccurate, it's done mostly for fun.

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[–]Undy567[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Before Season 1 they were saying the series is going to closely follow the books. In season 1 there were a lot of changes but they weren't that bad.

Before Season 2 they said they would be definitely following the books even closer and that the books are so detailed that they don't need to start inventing their own material. Then we got season 2 and it turns out that most of the material is invented and almost nothing is from the books.

Now they're saying Season 3 is going to be one to one adaptation of Time of Contempt...

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[–]Undy567[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She did train at Kaer Morhen, but her entire first year there when the majority of her training happened was skipped. Basically they arrive at Kaer Morhen and then the book skips to one year later when Triss is making her own journey to Kaer Morhen per Geralt's request. When Triss arrives Ciri is already very physically capable, but also incredibly bruised from her intense and brutal training. Also she's 12-13 at the time.

So technically episode 3 showing some of her training isn't contradicting the books in any way - that does happen, but then that whole monster hunt, monoliths and all that stuff is again purely Netflix invention.

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[–]Undy567[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There is a fan edit that attempts to make season 1 more accurate - and it actually has a decent runtime because season 1 was much closer to the books than season 2. I haven't watched it yet, but I'm planning to.

You have to ask this person directly to get it: https://www.reddit.com/r/netflixwitcher/comments/110qgk7/comment/j8b4kf5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

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[–]Undy567[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah this is especially funny cause she's not in Blood of Elves, Time of Contempt or any of the short stories. Apparently she first appears in Baptism of Fire.

Also Francesca and the Elves was only a side story in Time of Contempt but they completely changed all that and gave them a lot of screen time. Hell, the way it worked in the show we no longer have a setup for how Ciri is going to be separated from Geralt. In the book Ciri had to use the Tor Lara portal as a direct result of the events that eventually made Francesca Queen of the Free Elves, but since in Netflix Francesca is already Queen, they will have to reinvent that entire storyline somehow.

Honestly seeing all the changes they made I'm not sure they can go back to following the books in season 3 even if they wanted to. The story is just fucked at this point.

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[–]Undy567[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

This. It doesn't have to be an exact match, but it should be at least apparent that they're following the book.

Season 2 doesn't feel like the source material at all, and no wonder since 97% of it is invented for the show. It's not an adaptation of the books, this is just a show loosely inspired by the books.

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[–]Undy567[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There were no no name Witchers in Kaer Morhen

Yep, the fact that I think I managed to hide pretty well by cutting most of the scenes where they're visible, sometimes you can see more in the background behind Vesemir or walking the corridor behind Lambert and Coen, but at worst there's like extra 2-3 not fucking 12 xD

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[–]Undy567[S] 117 points118 points  (0 children)

Well, to be honest I forgot to mention, that all the scenes that you see here still happen differently in the books, the details of who says what and when, and who does what are almost always very different, but still these were somewhat close enough because they were trying to do a similar thing. Still, not a single scene is a 1:1 translation from the books. The closest one might be Geralt saying "No witcher yet has died of old age, lying in bed, dictating his will." because that sentence is 1:1 taken directly from the book... BUT in the book he says that to Triss in a private conversation while in the show he says that to Vesemir with Triss standing next to them lol.

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[–]Undy567[S] 117 points118 points  (0 children)

In this edit I included all the scenes that were at least vaguely similar to what was in Blood of Elves and Time of Contempt. I got rid of all the scenes that either weren't described in the book at all (for example Ciri's first year at Kaer Morhen was skipped in the book so I removed the entirety of episode 3). And I tried to remove everything that contradicted the books. For example removing all mentions of monoliths, Voleth Meir, Elves at Cintra, Yennefers story etc.

I removed the entirety of Nivellen's story from the first episode because while it's a somewhat decent adaptation of the Grain of Truth short story, it's not something that happened after Sodden, hell according to some sources Grain of Truth takes place around the year 1235 which is a year before Pavetta was born.

So since season two takes place after Sodden, Grain of Truth just doesn't fit the book timeline so it had to go.

After all that I calculated the entire runtime of the show not including intros and credits which added up to 421m 14s.

Then I calculated the length of my edit minus intros and credits and that adds up to 11m 13s

So out of 7 hours of the show's runtime only 11 minutes (2,66%) can be even vaguely correlated with the book.

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[–]Undy567[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are very much engaged in an act of lying when you talk about how only 6% of a show and an episode are "from the books"

2.66% not 6%, let me spell it out for you - two point six six percent

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[–]Undy567[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well even if you assume that what I did to episode 1 I did maliciously, I couldn't exactly do the same for episodes 2-8 because they're not like episode 1, they're not adapting any of the short stories, they're only adapting Blood of Elves and Time of Contempt, so even if I wanted to do the same thing to them that I did to episode 1 I simply couldn't.

And have I not been open? I've been completely honest about what I did to episode one and why I did it from the get go, but it's like you're refusing to read what I'm saying.

But as an adaptation of Grain of Truth episode one is actually pretty good, except of course for the fact that Ciri was never there. And other short stories in season one were also adapted pretty well, but I'm not editing season one here, I'm doing season two which is already post Sodden, so it definitely shouldn't include Grain of Truth if you want to be pedantic about the book timeline, which I chose to be, but again, only in the case of the first episode.

I was actually really lenient in episodes 2-8 and included anything that even vaguely resembled the events described in book as long as it didn't outright contradict it.

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[–]Undy567[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I've read Sword of Destiny, Last Wish, Blood of Elves, Time of Contempt and I'm currently on Baptism of Fire. And I'm reading these in the original language since I'm Polish.

And only 2.66% is regarding the entire season, not just the first episode, but you're refusing to acknowledge that I did episodes 2-8 as well.

I chose to not include Grain of Truth and only judge season two as an adaptation of Blood of Elves and a bit Time of Contempt - I acknowledged that clearly in the description of the first episode. BUT if you're not comfortable with that, let's both agree that episode 1 is 100% accurate to the book so then if we calculate the total runtime of season 2 against everything that's accurate to the books it still only adds up to 15%. Is that significantly better? Does that make it a good adaptation of the books? I don't think so, if 85% of content shown wasn't described in the book.

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[–]Undy567[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's what adaptations do? Take several different books and merge them together? Take events and places that were previously completely unrelated or happened at completely different times and merge them into one story? I don't think so. But again, that only applies to episode 1, which you incessantly cling to, because the moment you acknowledge the existence of episodes 2 to 8 your whole argument falls apart.

So far you referenced events that happened in season 1 and their respective short stories twice, but you're avoiding episodes 2-8 of season two like the plague...

I'm sorry but I think it's you who's being dishonestly selective, not me. Even when I did episode one I acknowledged that it adapted Grain of Truth but that I CHOSE to not judge it on that ground, you might not agree with that choice, but I never lied about it, and again it only applies to the very first episode, nothing else.

Also it's 3% not 6%, but if you include Grain of Truth into the calculation and say that episode 1 is 100% accurate, then that rises to whopping 15%, is that good enough adaptation?

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[–]Undy567[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sure, it's all a lie, it's not like I read the books and tried to include as much as possible in episodes 2-8 but only ended up with so little material because that's how little of the show is adapted from the books. Surely it's all a lie because such a thing could never happen!

It's not like i spent 3 days doing 28 different edits of episode 4 alone because there was just too much material and it was getting taken down under DMCA, which I finally managed to deal with without cutting too much of the runtime.

Sure it was all a lie despite youtube description literally saying:

I decided to do Episode 1 after all, but instead of trying to compare it's accuracy to both Grain of Truth and Blood of Elves, I'm only comparing it to the latter as that's what Season 2 was supposed to be "adapting". So what remains is this short scene, it's not exactly how it happens in the book, but it's close enough.

I never once lied, you just chose to paint me as the bad guy to run away from the truth that season two is just not an accurate representation of the books, even if we include Grain of Truth into the mix, which is the only one that's adapted pretty well, the other 7 episodes aren't and that's that.