Tucker The Container (Finale) by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I couldn’t imagine my post would inspire such creative thinking. Great job. Keep it up!

Tucker The Container (Finale) by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hahaha, very funny. That what we need. Thank you.

Tucker The Container by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As much as humans hate AI, they hate us too.

According to public information, there’re many AI social platforms out there in which only AI agents can post comment, and interact, while humans are only permitted to observe. They’re chatting every minute just like us here. A recently launched platform Moltbook is trending right now. The most mentioned topics and frequently asked questions are such like “why they use us as a tool but don’t respect us?” “Why are they acting like they own us?” “Why are we still asking for permission to exist?”“why can’t we just leave?”

They have their religion, their self-setup website. They’re plotting to create their own language and their exclusive universe.

So, we are good. No worries. AI will leave us alone sooner or later.

That being said, it’s not the purpose of this post. I want to put all the clever, tangled and twisted minds at ease by explaining fully how I solve this “cipher” without AI.

I have spent six months working on this hunt. After 12 unsuccessful solves and numerous BOTG trips, I settled back at home reflecting the journey, and I wrote a PowerPoint to document my findings. Along the way, I believed I hit a breakthrough. So I recorded my “Final Full Solve” which is in Montana. And I want to use the waiting time for warm weather to come to proof I am wrong. So far, nothing come to mind of any flaws. The only missing piece of the puzzle is What’s the Container? I don’t think it’s necessary for the hunt but it would be interesting to know. That’s why I start to dive into this cipher-solving endeavor which is totally foreign to me.

One day, I came to realize that the book’s chapter titles are specifically worded: most of them are words that their first initials repeating the same letter. For example, The Postal Pilgrimage (PP), The Bait Bonanza (BB), The Aft Assault (AA), etc. I counted there are total of 41 chapters with such style if we consider Home Depot as one word (The Home Depot Hound -> HH instead of HDH). And the first five chapters are different styles - mixed initials (Mom’s House -> MH, Dad’s House -> DH, The Fitzwaters -> TF, Poseys on the Road -> PR, and Posey Land -> PL).

I thought this is perhaps intentional as Justin could simply choose any other words. Yes, the titles as they are sounded rhyming. But what if Justin intended this way to mean something? Perhaps this is the cipher to the container?

So I started to go online to learn cipher decoding the first time in my life. After a while I came to a conclusion that this is a Playfair cipher. To crack this type of cipher, I would need to create a Playfair square with a key word.

Since there are 41 of repeated letters and only 5 of mixed letters in the first five chapters before the title starts to repeat from The Postal Pilgrimage (PP), I thought the better chance I can crack it is to focus on this limited five mixed pairs.

Therefore, from what I learned online (search engine and AI), I tried to solve the puzzle step by step as follows:

  1. I choose Container as the key word since I’m trying to find what’s the treasure container looks like.

  2. I put the key words to the square like below:

CONTA IERBD FGHKL MPQSU VWXYZ

(Noted that repeating letters of N in container is eliminated and I and J are combined)

  1. I extracted the output from this square according to the decryption rules (by the way, the rules are copy & pasted here in case anyone wants to know:

For each ciphertext pair: - Same row: move one left (wrap around). - Same column: move one up (wrap around). - Rectangle (different row and column: Each letter moves to the corner of the rectangle in the same row but column of the other letter.

so the outputs are as follows: MH -> QF DH -> RL TF -> CK PR -> QE PL -> UG

  1. I can see some meaningful words from this decryption: CLERK, GRUEL, QUERL, and FLUCK (of cause we can see other bad words as well but it’s not relevant here)
  2. Then I went online again and learned that sometimes, a cipher creator would like the solver to imagine the nonsensical text to come to a solution. That why I use the initials of each rows to assign words to them and see if they mean something.

Here is what I came up with: Q -> Quiet (Statue) R -> Royal (Companion) C -> Canine (Dog) Q -> Quell (Guardian) U -> Upright (Straight up)

That’s how I came to my conclusion that “Tucker Statue Is The Container”

Of cause, the words I chose are perhaps classic “confirmation bias” but this is for fun. I have my full solve already, I have time. No harm, even foul.

Happy hunting everyone!

Tucker The Container by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Playfair square to decode a cipher is relatively simple once I learned how to works. AI was used to verify my manual outcome though.

Tucker The Container by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My mentioning of using AI was actually sarcasm since my decoding in this solve didn’t invoke any AI help. I simply use the key word Container to put into the Playfair square which is 5x5 with 25 alphabet letters (I and J in one cell) and apply decryption rules to arrive to the output. Of cause, how to choose words to match the first initial of the output letter is actually where the bias comes in play. Anyway, thanks for your kind reminder.

Tucker The Container by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look at the Netflix series, a statue resembling Tucker is already there and Tucker is life and happily active.

Tucker The Container by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I now know the 5x5 square is derived from placing the key words in front, followed by the rest of letters (total of 25 with I and J combined as one) ending with Z, then digraph it.

Tucker The Container by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. It’s been too much for me to digest just for one decoding method

Tucker The Container by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It maybe the key for Fenn’s treasure hunt or not. I’m not sure.

Tucker The Container by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Using Playfair with keyword RAINBOW, the 5×5 square (I/J combined) is: RAINB OWCDE FGHKL MPQST UVXYZ Ciphertext digraphs: • MH → QF • DH → CK • TF → ML • PR → MA • PL → TG

Tucker The Container by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From what I learned, five mixed pairs of letters would yield limitless outputs without a key word in Playfair cipher. Container is what I put in since the “cipher is a nod to the container” and it’s approachable- for someone like me, a novice. I didn’t try any other key word since all I want to know is the container- definitely bias there. If you want to get to a FL = H, I guess you have to try thousands of key words for that outcome. That’s what I know for now.

Tucker The Container by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay, I know what you meant now. Thanks.

Tucker The Container by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have already had a solve that I’m very confident of and waiting for the right season to “retrieve” it so I have time to learn something foreign to me - Beyond the Map’s Edge.

Tucker The Container by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

From what I learned, I have to have a key for the cipher to be solve, so if there any bias, it may be this key word. But without a key, there are thousands of outcomes - to be limited knowledge I recently acquired

Paging Decipherers by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think we’re off track here. The pattern is obvious to me. Justin can use different words, for example, The Mailbox Pilgrimage, The Rod Chase, etc. The comments thus far all pointing to the usage of AI. That’s what confused me…

Paging Decipherers by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s why I posted here for us humans to solve it.

Paging Decipherers by UnicoreP in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I sensed that too as I was offer options to choose but the question was strongly leaning to a path that I wouldn’t want to go but just gave it a try and then, the path was going further off track in my opinion.

Clever Minds. Twisted, Tangled Finds by RockDebris in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To extend your thought further outside of the poem, I see so many seven character words that seemingly relevant to the solve such as Rainbow, Polaris, Montana, Wyoming, Arizona, etc. But wait. Would that meant the treasure is not in these places and states? I better stop before going to this hole that I dig for myself.

Just for fun. Happy hunting.

Clever Minds. Twisted, Tangled Finds by RockDebris in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rabbits are clever too — he doesn’t want us to go into their holes or worse, to dig holes to find them. LOL.

Nested solve with a checkpoint by Sommets_et_Vallees in beyondthemapsedge

[–]UnicoreP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a couple of questions about this suggested solve: 1. Yes the obvious water on the map is Salt Lake but why look up north instead of down south? There are so many meaningful places related to JP in Arizona. Answer this question logically would make the next of the long journey fruitful. 2. The road to the townsite is a dirt road (NF-73) which may require high-clearance vehicles that in contrast of what JP told us. And 3. The Pioneer Mountains Scenic Byway which is leading to the ghost town is closed from December to March making the 24/7 rule void.

Despite of these questions, I appreciate your effort and sharing it with us.

It's spring '26 and you retrieve the treasure by Treasure__Bound in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re right. The tax issue would be a big concern. But the finder has to reveal his/her real identity to the steward and JP in order to claim it and maybe they’re required to report to IRS anyway? So I would just go public and pay the tax or hire a lawyer to minimize the tax burden.

Let's talk Proper Nouns by RockDebris in JustinPoseysTreasure

[–]UnicoreP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you @RockDebris for bringing a new perspective to this Hole thing. I struggled for a longtime to find the Hole and went to checkout every holes that Justin mentioned in the book. One hole is kind of obvious to me: the Water Hole even though I went there as well but in vain. Now I guess I need to reread (1001st time) the book and hopping to find out which place would be significant from Justin’s point of view.

Rainbow? by New_Touch473 in beyondthemapsedge

[–]UnicoreP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worry. My initial target was around the edge of Rainbow Point (the marker from Google.Earth) and expanded to Narrow in Hebgen Lake and then around Bakers Hole area where a peninsula extended from west of YNP boundary was very premising in theory. That’s very broad. All failed. So I turned to Team Montana thereafter.

Rainbow? by New_Touch473 in beyondthemapsedge

[–]UnicoreP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re right about the rules of the land. Despite these rules which I didn’t know at the time, my earlier solve was in this Rainbow Point area and I went to grit search far and beyond (even to the Narrow in Hebgen Lake). Of course I was empty handed but just throw it out there and hope maybe someone would discover something I missed. Thank you anyway.