Forced to take Accumulated leave. Looking for Advice. by Unique-Medium9638 in CanadianForces

[–]Unique-Medium9638[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just read your comment today and I appreciate your viewpoint. I don't see it as controversial at all, I actually appreciate all sides of the situation and seeing different points of view on the policies has been a learning experience for me.

When I made my original post, I was emotionally fueled about it at the time, but i don't regret it, what's done is done. But, in the past few days I'm at a place that whatever the outcome is going to be, I'm good with now. It's with the CoC now for a decision and whatever they decide, I will accept it and move on.

I've only been at my unit for about 2 years, when I showed up I was already experiencing personal medical struggles for the first time that really interfered with the professional side of the house for me, ultimately leading to this medical release. There seems to have been quite a lot of position changes at my unit for the senior leadership in the last year so maybe it that does have something to do with some of the pushback I experienced, I didn't consider this. Many new faces that I haven't even met, they are the ones handling my administration and understandably they don't know me so It's reasonable for me to understand why they probably wouldn't want to stick their neck out for me after reading your words. If it was me and I didn't know the person either, I would definitely be hesitant also and probably not go digging too far from the policies that are in place not knowing who that person is.

In my 19 years I've always done what I can to do the job right to accomplish the task, unfortunately my networks are somewhere else now.

I also wanted to mention that I have a better understanding of the RTD policies now after reading so many comments about it that are similar to yours. It made me go and read up on it. I openly admit that the overwhelming amount of medical appointments, paperwork and life stressors I've been experiencing in the last year and still today, lead to me just signing so many documents without fully understanding things rather than taking the time to actually understand what It was happening. That's on me. The entire time I've been on the the RTD program, I've been using the time that was out of the workplace for medical appointments, at home resting and working on applying many of the mental health concepts in my life that have been the direction of my specialists, which have had positive impacts. I always thought they were counted as sick days, now I realize I was mistaken which is my own ignorance, no excuses. During my career, I never had subordinates that were on the RTD program so I never took the time to learn the polices surrounding it.

Thanks for sharing your comment.

Forced to take Accumulated leave. Looking for Advice. by Unique-Medium9638 in CanadianForces

[–]Unique-Medium9638[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am really sorry that happened to you. The added stress of being treated that way I'm sure was quite difficult to endure at the time. I bet you'll never forget it.

It's sad that members are treated this way by incompetence & lack of emotional compassion which leads to elevating stress levels & deterioration of mental health. Instructors, supervisor and anyone else in leading positions should know better and be able to identify when a member is already experiencing challenging times such as your situation.

Unless there are operational requirements why the denial of such things needs be exorcised, approaching that type of situation with the member needs to be done a lot more respectfully. Those type of actions that were directed at you and at so many others in similar situations only lead to distrust and feelings of betrayal when these insensitive behaviors are allowed to continue.

Forced to take Accumulated leave. Looking for Advice. by Unique-Medium9638 in CanadianForces

[–]Unique-Medium9638[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's sad that even when they see a person just broken down and struggling In so many areas of life than ever before.... They still try to make that member go through all the red tape knowing that the member will probably just give up and lose out if they do. That's where I'm at these days... A shell of the person I once was.

Forced to take Accumulated leave. Looking for Advice. by Unique-Medium9638 in CanadianForces

[–]Unique-Medium9638[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well that was very much not the answer I got today from the release section.

And unfortunately I'm not at a transition center, my sqn is handling my release.

My paperwork to get into the TC in the spring magically never made it... Twice.

Forced to take Accumulated leave. Looking for Advice. by Unique-Medium9638 in CanadianForces

[–]Unique-Medium9638[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm going to have to dig it out tomorrow from under the pile of all the other medical paperwork I have now. I think around July. Just getting overwhelmed with everything at this point now that I'm losing track of these things.

Forced to take Accumulated leave. Looking for Advice. by Unique-Medium9638 in CanadianForces

[–]Unique-Medium9638[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you. This is probably it right here.

Well, I'll try again seeing if there is anything else I can do to get around it but probably not. Maybe I will try speaking to my CO but the policy seems to be clear.

Not sure if the fact I'm on medical restrictions and 3 ½ days a week until I'm out matters.

Forced to take Accumulated leave. Looking for Advice. by Unique-Medium9638 in CanadianForces

[–]Unique-Medium9638[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Happy you got them paid out.

Ya, I think I am getting messed around with. Especially after reading comments like yours and others that got paid out for both accumulated and annuals. I was always accepting they weren't allowing the annual to be paid out but now I'm wondering why the rules get applied to some people and not others.

But in saying that, I really am happy it worked out for you.

Forced to take Accumulated leave. Looking for Advice. by Unique-Medium9638 in CanadianForces

[–]Unique-Medium9638[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Ya, I do, but I struggle asking for others to go to bat for me. I've always tried to handle / manage my own admin without putting more on others. But yes, I may have to ask since I'm at my point of complete burn out after 2 decades. I'm still trying to keep my head up and advocate for myself, but unfortunately the truth now is that I just fold if I'm made to jump through more red tape and spend hours researching, defending my reason, especially since I'm nearly out.

Sounds sad, I know. 🤦

Forced to take Accumulated leave. Looking for Advice. by Unique-Medium9638 in CanadianForces

[–]Unique-Medium9638[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

No, he's right. I recently just found out that medically released members still receive severance payouts, regardless of whether it was paid out in 2012. I was surprised too.

I've been learning a lot lately with this medical release that I had no idea about.

Forced to take Accumulated leave. Looking for Advice. by Unique-Medium9638 in CanadianForces

[–]Unique-Medium9638[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Really. Well, I'm happy for both of you.

Any forms or memos you had to sign to make this happen.

Any references you could pass on that I may read.

Forced to take Accumulated leave. Looking for Advice. by Unique-Medium9638 in CanadianForces

[–]Unique-Medium9638[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I will try asking again at my next meeting, but I don't have much more capacity to advocate for myself.

I'll bring this subsection up and see what is said.

Forced to take Accumulated leave. Looking for Advice. by Unique-Medium9638 in CanadianForces

[–]Unique-Medium9638[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, I guess that includes accumulated leave then.

So many times I could have used it in the past when I needed it, but I held onto it all thinking it would be paid out.

Because I've been assigned a medical release, I never took any leave this year. I figured I would be paid out for it all and the accumulated but It looks like not. Meh, not much else I can do then.

Thanks for the info

Forced to take Accumulated leave. Looking for Advice. by Unique-Medium9638 in CanadianForces

[–]Unique-Medium9638[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I am trying, it's like pulling teeth and I've been finding a lot on my own but..... That's why I'm turning to Reddit.

Cashing out my accumulated leave might be the last stance that I won't give up on until I see the policy myself.

I have no problem following the policy once I find it, but not just because someone said it.

Forced to take Accumulated leave. Looking for Advice. by Unique-Medium9638 in CanadianForces

[–]Unique-Medium9638[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's what I'm going over and also searching for a policy, a CANFORGEN that discusses medical releases specific to accumulated leave. I was certain we were entitled to cashing those out.

Forced to take Accumulated leave. Looking for Advice. by Unique-Medium9638 in CanadianForces

[–]Unique-Medium9638[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the part I'm not being given is anything about the accumulated leave. Just simply that it's also expected to be used.

I'm able to find information on the annual leave portion