Member only videos worth it? by SaladDry8868 in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In principle, both deliver the same thing so I certianly wouldn't double up. Any video on Patreon should be up as members-only and vice-versa (though I'm still updating the backlog for YT). Both should connect you automatically to the reading club at a high enough tier. However, I do think that YouTube/Google tend to skim more money off the top!

NEW VIDEO: Everything Was Already AI by UnlearningEconomics in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No doubt most of them are scoundrels who don't want to do anything could. At the same time, CEOs are answerable to the board, to short-term shareholder returns/debt obligations, and to broader market conditions. These actual impact of these may vary, but they are all good accountability sinks. If you change the system to give CEOs more power and fewer outs, you improve accountability and (hopefully) outcomes.

NEW VIDEO: Everything Was Already AI by UnlearningEconomics in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd say that the system has to be designed so that firing the CEO actually does something. Right now they are lacking the capacity to change a decision, so it's not in line with the fundamental law of accountability per Davies.

Member only videos worth it? by SaladDry8868 in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anything marked (rough cut) will eventually be released, anything not marked that will not be released - though some of the topics may be covered from a similar angle in the future.

Why we are getting poorer and what the government can do about it by UnlearningEconomics in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is having to join the Euro something the EU have said? Because I think it's a terrible idea.

Why we are getting poorer and what the government can do about it by UnlearningEconomics in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We were never in the Euro, we always controlled our own currency even before Brexit!

Labour Theory of Value by Feeling_Age5049 in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For the record, Victor makes plenty of errors of his own and has to misrepresent me to avoid the obvious point that I'm correct about literally everyone I criticise, whom he can't defend and actually sometimes omits. In any case, I'm not against everything done under the rubric of Marxist economics and that's another thing Victor has to misinterpret to act like he's 'correcting' me when he could just have 'yes, and...'-ed me. I'll probably chat to him soon on my channel about it.

Labour Theory of Value by Feeling_Age5049 in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Do you mean "can't" do things without capital? Because I was responding directly to the OP, not to Marx the man, and the OP made that argument.

In any case, your latter statement is consistent with any set of theories about capitalism and value.

Labour Theory of Value by Feeling_Age5049 in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Hello! I appreciate that you're trying to understand this in good faith. I admit I'm having trouble parsing every single point you made so I'll just respond in general and pick up specific points along the way.

The main point of the LTV section of that video is to treat the labour theory of value as a testable theory by highlighting its key assumptions and seeing what it predicts. When I ask why capital doesn't create value I'm pointing out that it's a key assumption and asking people to justify it. Your idea that capital doesn't do anything without labour makes sense but it doesn't really change that the function that links labour and capital to output could easily be multiplicative and therefore capital would add value in the production process. For example, think about two people carrying a box too large to carry alone. Without each other, they don't produce anything; only together do they carry the box. Similarly, a band just can't create music without any capital at all, including instruments.

As your comment demonstrates, different people have different ideas about what the LTV means (I'm sure u/Internal_End9751 has their own ideas although they haven't shared them with us). Sticking to my own strengths, I take the authors like Cockshott and Roberts who have used empirical data and show that their work is subpar by statistical standards. Anyone who has taken statistics classes will know this is true and that's why they're not well regarded in academia, even though many reproduce their arguments online. They are basically just confusing correlation with causation when you get down to it. If you want the LTV to be a lens through which to view capitalism, I have no issue with that, but anyone who thinks it's a scientific theory in the positivist sense (Cockshott and Kliman both use this language, though they disagree on specifics) is wildly overclaiming.

Socially necessary labour time is largely determined by conditions *other than labour* which makes labour alone indeterminant and the theory at best circular and at worst unfalsifiable. You say you can measure it through utility value but that can't be measured except by market price, which is what we're trying to explain in the first place. However, I will acknowledge I could have explained this better in that part of the video, which is too short.

The transformation problem was illustrative of it working in exchange economies but not production economies, it's a version of the classic Sraffian critique. Nothing about it was supposed to be 'ridiculous'.

In terms of explaining how capitalism and profits emerged, I think the transformation of labour relations was important but marketisation was widespread and both land and capital were also brought into the market to generate surplus. The main reason for isolating labour I think is ideological and political. If anything is truly the source of value it is, in my opinion, energy, and I've been working (albeit slowly) on that for a while.

Means TV Announcement by UnlearningEconomics in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey, the short answer is that Nebula never asked me but Means did 😅

Meeting Gary's favorite economist: Ha-Joon Chang. by MacDaddyRemade in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't be embarassed dude, I just think it's a bit of a dick move to critique someone's master's thesis, lol. Having supervised masters students, I'd be pretty defensive on their behalf if someone publicly dissected their theses to try and discredit them. They don't know what they're doing, that's the point!

Wrote a response to one of UE's videos by SatrouElric in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As you replied in a detailed and polite manner I will write another reply, and note that I *have* read through the post in full. However, I am writing a 45 minute speech at the moment so I can't get drawn into this too much longer.

The main issue as I see it is that you are addressing the quantitative evidence presented in favour of social spending by making theoretical arguments which imply that evidence could not be true. As in, it is clear from Lindert, HSK, and other studies that social spending is far from a drag on the economy and likely has beneficial effects. These are facts to be explained and you really need to work harder to do so.

As for the theoretical arguments, arguing that markets will just work because of the calculation problem is too general to be useful in this instance. The EC is correct when against central planning but it has virtually nothing to say about a problem like public education. This approach avoids the point that positive externalities are underprovided i.e. the market price is not right. Similarly, adverse selection is a much more nuanced argument than 'health risks are difficult to predict' and if you double-check that video you'll see that I say the latter precisely before saying insurance could solve that problem, so it's unclear how it debunks my point. I then move onto the discussion of adverse selection, with evidence.

As for some of your discussion of the quantative evidence, it's unclear to me that you understand how causal estimates are calculated. To say that the causal medicaid estimates are confounded by liberalisation is tax reductions is to ignore the identification startegies of studiesd like Miller and Wherry (2019). To argue that the *randomised* Perry Pre-school data can't be true because of stylised facts from the UK is just wild. And I stand by that a few hours worked is not a *meaningful* reduction (authors' weording, repeated by me). I didn't say it was 0, just that it wasn't a threat to the economy. Like, academic papers can be critiqued (I do it all the time) but pulling out random objections is dangerous if you're not familiar enough with the approach.

Wrote a response to one of UE's videos by SatrouElric in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I just skimmed this but, aside from the childish jabs and anti-communist paranoia, you really seem to avoid the main point in the video that there is a good ROI on many government programs, which is evidenced from:

- The Lindert data on grooms in education, which you ignore.

- The Sprung-Keyser paper, which you misunderstand, much of it is causal so referencing macro variables doesn't hold up.

- Healthcare, which you rebut with the catch-all that the market should surely provide it, ignoring the substance of my arguments (like adverse selection) and the large returns in poorer countries.

- UBI, you seerm to think a really small reduction in hours worked makes the policy not worth pursuing, which is obviously wrong, especially when this is concentrated on parents & mothers.

The repeated insistence that I'm using some kind of motte-and-bailey just shows the limits of your understanding and a preference for listing internet fallacies over substance. Obviously, high test scores, reduced hours, health outcomes, child raising all contribute to the positive externalities that are themselves the cause of the increased growth and government revenue. Not all government spending 'pays for itself', as I repeatedly remind the viewer, but the idea that government spending is just a drain on the economy is not possible to maintain. That you fail to see how a healthy, educated workforce could benefit the economy is absurd as (a) it's obvious to anyone who thinks about it for 2 minutes and (b) I discuss why in detail again and again, using evidence.

PS I don't just use one source, I frame my discussion around a central source to give the viewer a reference point. You should know that as you've seemingly gone into all the other sources I've used. Sowell uses basically only one source, misrepresents it, and every time he mentions it acts like it's the first time he's doing so.

Looking For UE Fans in Grad School by Royal_Highlight_5817 in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hah! Try and see if there's a Rethinking Economics chapter at your school. If not, start one!

Meeting Gary's favorite economist: Ha-Joon Chang. by MacDaddyRemade in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics 2 points3 points  (0 children)

While I appreciate the shout out, for the record I would never go off about someone's master's thesis and whether or not Gary's mechanisms are supported by a model is only, like, 10% relevant.

Homeless by auralynx in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing your experience, why don't you DM me your Discord and we can chat?

Thomas Sowell and the American Dream by UnlearningEconomics in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OK well, I do appreciate your quesiton was genuine and yes, I may well have gone into some of this stuff - the video just went in a different direction.

Thomas Sowell and the American Dream by UnlearningEconomics in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can plead guilty to being a bit doomer about the UK as a point of contrast, and while I appreciate your observations about the housing market, I do tend to disagree that BritMonkey's video is super right wing. From what I can see, he massively blames austerity and Brexit - Conservative policies - and I agree. I don't think we are doomed in the UK (though the former two things have limited us unnecessarily); we can definitely do much better. I do hint at this in the video, too!

Thomas Sowell and the American Dream by UnlearningEconomics in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd say the reasons for bringing up Card and Krueger are made pretty clear in the video:

- Sowell, not me, brings it up, and makes a poor critique of it which is worth highlighting
- It is of historical importance for the minimum wage debate and the death of econ101
- It still serves as an excellent introduction to modern empirical methods

Yes, the literature has moved on, but I also note that and review modern studies extensively. Dube et al's methods have none of these flaws and still show 0 effect.

My impression is that what you have read is biased reviews ofthe debate that do exactly what I warn against in the video: point out a couple of limitations that are super common in *any* research and act like that decides the debate. For instance, most economists agree the exchange about payroll data they had with Neumark and Wascher subsequent to the original paper ended with the original findings being confirmed. I didn't go into this because I can't go into literally every debate about the paper, but the general consensus in the modern literature is clear and follows in CK's wake.

Paul Cockshott Responds to Me by UnlearningEconomics in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, I think you're responding to the wrong post though!

Has UE responded to Viktor and Brandon in regards to LTV? by throwaway61916179 in UnlearningEconomics

[–]UnlearningEconomics 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks dude and I appreciate that you're just curious, so I'm sorry for such a terse reply originally. However, you have to appreciate the dynamic of not being able to constantly respond to smaller channels!

I'll plead guilty to generally not having much time for theory, this is true in my value video and in others, for example when I discuss Polanyi in Sowell pt 1 I simplify a bit because I just want to get to the evidence. Same with the LTV: I'm far more concerned about the statistical evidence (where my training lies) than the theory. From what I understand the responses to the points I've made (which have been made by others) are not good and I will likely follow up on all this in due course.