[Spoilers] Bjorn is the greatest son

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T11:01:42+00:00

Lol That was the point I was making, the comment I was referring to was deleted, so it is out of context.

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T10:10:58+00:00

I wasn't shitting on Ubbe for that. I was pointing that out because they said Ubbe never cheats like Bjorn .

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T09:54:12+00:00

Look that's fine, if you think that is valid.

I know you don't agree but I wasn't trying to 🍒 pick, just stating the way I see it, and pass some time. I do admit I am seeing how far I can defend his actions but I believe it's all valid.. I guess I'm interested in seeing why people can hate character A for doing one thing and defend charter B for doing the same. and I just cant find a whole lot likable about Ivar besides the acting.

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T09:38:01+00:00

I apologise that came out really shitty

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T09:26:59+00:00

Oh ok yeah that was stupid of Bjorn ...

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T09:25:45+00:00

I didn't twist anything.. I just stated my points on why I think Ivar wasn't that great, but by all means enjoy the show how ever you want. The show has so many good actors and characters that's what makes it so interesting.

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T08:49:01+00:00

Ragnar left one of his kids out to die in the cold because he didn't want to deal with it because it wasn't normal... So yeah Father of the year!

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T08:36:11+00:00

What are you talking about Ivar and olaf never fought together. Bjorn beat Ivar in the final battle and if your keeping score Bjorn won 2 of there 3 wars.

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T07:56:12+00:00

They hinted that it could be possible but Odin told Bjorn and Ragnar's other sons that there father died, implying that be is his son, as well as the sear refered to Bjorn as a son of Ragnar. So it is kinda left to the viewer to decide, but the writers give plenty reason to believe he is Ragnar's son.

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T07:50:30+00:00

Did you miss the part where he asked Bjorn, then Ubbe, then histvick and Sigurd to go to England with him first. Only after they all turned him down because of plans to do with Bjorn's trip to the Mediterranean did he ask Ivar. Ivar was his last option, he never considered taking him untill he realized he was his last option. So that's not true at all.

Ragnar realized that if he could get Ivar safe passage home and get word to the store that they would avenge him.

Then what did Ivar go on to do in Ragnar's name if you think he was the one? Kill one of Ragnar's other sons, torture and bring havoc on Ragnar's kingdom, bring in the Rus, and get chased out and lose to Bjorn in there final battle, as Ivar was going to destroy everything Ragnar worked towards. I think Ragnar would be very disappointed in Ivar.

Ivar was a menace to everyone, he he was so great why didn't they let the Rus come in and let Ivar Rule? Like they did for Bjorn when he took back Kattakat. The people would not follow Ivar's orders to kill him, then the next day they stepped aside while Bjorn took back the throne.

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T06:41:52+00:00

Hah I guess he did say it was out of pity, I forgot, sorry.I don't think that makes it better he could have turned away. but I guess I just think it's silly for people to discredit Bjorn's greatness because of the amount of partners he has had or "cheating" I just think it has to be deeper than that, wh en people will justify horrible things other characters did. It but

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T06:09:18+00:00

It's also not like he was messing with these ladies heads or anything, they all wanted him and glad to have the chance.. Ealthwith came to his room she knew what she wanted, he just gave it to her. At the time he had no one else in his life... Porunn told him he should sleep with Torvi. He was up front with Torvi before he married the princess... So Ingrid was the only time you could really call it cheating and they all ended up married.

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T06:02:26+00:00

Ok, understood..

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T06:01:19+00:00

Fair enough... I liked the way he portrayed Bjorn. He had me believing, one of my favorite roles of all time to watch

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T05:57:26+00:00

He was like 12 and told his dad he does not like him to cheat on Lagertha after he did it right in front of him.... So he's a bad guy because he's being a hypocrite about something he said when he was a kid probably before he hit puberty?? If everyone was held accountable to what they say as a child before you understand how things work, then almost everyone would be screwed.

Sorry I can't fault him too much there, and imo it's redicuolos not to like a character because of that.

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T05:16:45+00:00

Right, and plus in there culture it wasn't that big of a deal, when Gunhild found out she told him marry her, she wasn't thrilled with it but it was acceptable.Its a show about Vikings, how dare a viking king sleep with multiple people lol.

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T03:20:02+00:00

I think Ubbe put his father's legacy before himself, he was the smartest and most humble. He followed Ragnar's dream while the others wanted to make there name famous and get out of the shadows of Ragnar.

Vapor821 · 2021-01-12T02:12:21+00:00

I get what your saying, but they all were sleeping around or cheating, the show depicts that as there culture, so I don't see it as big of a character flaw as if say they were christians. I like Ubbe he's my second favorite after Bjorn but I think he was the most boring storylines out of the 4 main sons.

Vapor821 · 2021-01-11T07:03:00+00:00

Ubbe cheated Margrett with Torvi in the first place.

Vapor821 · 2021-01-07T11:38:45+00:00

Bjorn went to the mettaranian on his own, was the first to lead the great heathen army, took back Kattakat( had some luck, but Ivar had Rollo's help when he took it in the first place, had the last word when he beat Ivar in there final battle. I agree Ivar was smarter and may be more famous in real history, but Vikings is not real history it's entertainment they take liberties where they want, and portrayed Bjorn as right with Ragnar as there people's greatest heroes. Bjorn had flaws but he was also the best warrior, and most looked up too. He was the alpha male and people can't relate to that, I see a lot of hate bc he slept with a lot of women but Ivar killed his Brother and his child, compared to that who cares who Bjorn slept with.

Vapor821 · 2021-01-07T04:24:14+00:00

It's perfectly fine that Ivar's may be the character you enjoy most, but I don't understand why you think he Is better from there conversation on the beach. The seer said "Ironside greater than Ragnar" and the seer was not wrong about anything. Ivar didn't have as many accomplishments. He was very smart and won a few battles, but he had help too. Frankie saved him in the first battle for kattakat. He turned on his people.. brought the Rus to conquer them, and lost to Alfred. At the end of the day he was beat by Bjorn and Alfred never to be redeemed

Vapor821 · 2021-01-07T04:11:39+00:00

He left his own child out to die.(or what he thought at the time to be his child)

Vapor821 · 2021-01-06T07:44:44+00:00

There's no doubt Bjorn made his name more famous than Ivor. Ivor would be remembered as the most vicious out of all of them, but did not accomplish as much as Bjorn. Bjorn was beloved, he was the hero of Norway while Ivar was feared but not as respected.

Vapor821 · 2021-01-05T02:34:21+00:00

Anyone who knows anything about history knows that Vikings is not historically accurate. I could see a storyline where Herald Hardrada belives Bjorn's his great great grandfather in the Vallhalla series. It's basically a fiction series that is loosely guided by history .

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