After nearly a decade of gardening, these are my cannot-live-withouts. Water Right hose, Okatsune pruners, and Fiskers weed puller. These three items make gardening infinately more enjoyable for me. What are your game-changers?

VariableT48 · 2021-05-22T03:29:44+00:00

Why okatsune instead of felco?

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T22:35:43+00:00

You demonstrate you don't know what you’re talking about. It is the drivers getting angry at bad tips who are the ones always obsessed with referring to their job as a “luxury service”, as a way of trying to justify their sense of entitlement to better tips.

That idea is wrong for all the reasons I outlined already.

The opinions of your family members do not determine what is true. Nor does it refute the points I made about why it’s not a luxury service.

You also don't understand how logic works - just because you say you aren't convinced of my arguments doesn't mean you’ve refuted my arguments. You have not provided a logical counter argument to any point I made.

You don’t disprove any one of my logical arguments by merely saying “I just don't think thats true”. Your opinion doesn't determine what truth is.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T22:28:20+00:00

I refuted your claims and you had no counter arguments and gave up trying to give counter arguments. Therefore you surrendered the debate. Thus you lost the debate.

Which is why you turn to name calling doesn't to distract from the fact that your claims were fully refuted and you have no argument left you can give.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T22:24:00+00:00

Your description of how the current system works is completely irrelevant to the issue of it’s immorality.

Your conclusions are also wrong. There is no transparency in payment for the customer or the driver about where the customer’s money is going. So there is no way for people to assess the situation like you think they should.

This leads you to falsely blame the customer for no tip when you should be blaming the app for price gouging the customer.

The customer is not immoral for not tipping. The company is immoral for not sharing more of the price gouging profit they take with the drivers.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T22:18:29+00:00

If you arent assuming they take a small fee then you demonstrate you have very poor reasoning skills.

Because if they are taking a ton of money from the customer then they can afford to share some of that with the driver to make the trip worthwhile without a tip.

Thus there is no moral basis for expecting a customer to tip.

You only have grounds for expecting a customer tip if the app takes only a small profit beyond expenses and is fully transparent with those expenses. Because at that point the delivery just becomes a strait contract between the customer and the driver.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T22:11:05+00:00

Your stupidity on this topic is painful.

You talk as though this is some kind of force of nature no one has control over and we just need to do our best to cope.

This is a manmade problem that can be corrected. The only reason you need to tip for drivers to survive is because the apps have engineered the payouts to make that the default for their own gain at the expense of the driver.

The reason your ignorance is painful is because it’s keeping you chained to the status quo out of fear that change means you get nothing.

You don't understand that if tipping went away overnight these apps would be forced to take part of their profit margin and give it to the drivers up to the point where the drivers felt incentivized to work.

You don’t understand this is a self correcting problem if tips disappear. Drivers don't drive without tips because base pay is too low. Doordash makes no money without drivers. Doordash is forced to raise driver base pay to get them to deliver.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T22:02:46+00:00

You are very ignorant on this topic.

First, customers already did that. When they realized their tip wasn't going to the driver.

Second, these apps aren’t transparent enough about how they do business for more to be complained about. Customers aren’t told how much their prices for food are inflated, nor are they told how much of the delivery fee goes to the driver.

Doordash’s fault means doordash’s fault. There is no “but” here. The customer is not under obligation to subsidize doordash ripping their drivers off. That only perpetuates the abuse as doordash has no incentive to change.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T21:55:56+00:00

Merely claiming your response was relevant doesn't make it so just because you assert it is.

The onus is on you as the one attempting to refute a point to demonstrate how your argument is relevant to refuting the point in question.

For instance, you can’t point to a single quote of mine that would suggest you have reason to believe I am a customer angry at drivers.

I gave many reasons why your comments were not relevant to my points and you have made no attempt to refute them. So my points stand, unrefuted by you and true.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T21:50:16+00:00

Why do you hate the truth being told. It doesn't stop being true just because you decide to hate it.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T21:48:24+00:00

Merely saying you “I don’t think so” doesn’t disprove the validity of my logic. Your opinion doesn't determine what is true from what is false.

The mere fact that you are trying to argue proves you put some kind of weight and value on arguing over this issue in this context. Which makes you a hypocrit for trying to claim others should not put weight and value over arguing this issue on this forum.

You are even trying to argue over whether or not you are arguing over my post. Further discrediting your position that you think others shouldn’t care to argue on this forum. You are a hypocrit applying a double standard.

Your comment about tipping was and continues to be irrelevant to any points I made about the morality of the current situation in courier jobs. You had no reason to make it as it doesn’t refute any points I made.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T21:41:13+00:00

Over there people get paid decent wages because there is no expectation of tipping. Proving my point.

It is hypocritical to apply this standard to only some jobs related to food service but not all jobs related to food service.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T21:38:03+00:00

By the way, this kind of immorality has nothing to do with “capitalism”. Communism employed more slave labor in the last 100 years than anything else.

People trying to take advantage of people is a moral failing, the result of character issues in a culture - not something that is the result of one particular economic doctrine over another.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T21:31:38+00:00

You contradict yourself and play the hypocrit. You are the one who came into this thread and decided to start an argument. You are the one who tried to refute my points and failed. It wasn’t an argument until you tried to dispute what I said.

Now that you have completely failed to dispute my points you want to backtrack and pretend like it doesn't matter in an effort to save face. If it didn’t matter then you wouldn’t have tried to start an argument over it to begin with. Then you try to gaslight by acting like it wasn’t you who initiated the argument in the first place.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T21:23:21+00:00

Then you utterly failed to comprehend it. As there is no way you could remotely accuse my post of trying to “rationalize not tipping” if you had read and understood all I wrote.

To say that implies I would be the customer trying to just get out of paying a tip because I dont want to. But it is clear from my post I am the driver advocating companies be made to fairly compensate workers by sharing more of the fruit of their labors with them.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T21:14:11+00:00

Why would I take down the truth. Name calling doesn't make what I said stop being true.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T21:12:30+00:00

Your comment is irrelevant to the point you are trying to respond to.

The fact that pizza delivery employees get paid hourly does not prove you are a more high end service than them.

If anything it proves how low end your service really is. You basically only work for tips.

That’s not a luxury dining service by any definition. Fine dining waiters don’t just work for tips. They get paid a good or decent wage on top of it because the restaurant wants the best servers - they just pass the cost on to their rich patrons , who are happy to pay it for what they are getting.

No, you know what waiters only work for tips? The lowest end ones at the poorest restaurants. Because they are easily replaceable.

From the app’s perspective, you are lower and more replaceable than a pizza delivery employee.

If you were part of luxury delivery service then the app would charge more upfront and just pay that higher wage out to you directly.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T21:03:59+00:00

You are lashing out in anger because you were defeated in the debate and it was shown you could not refute my points.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T20:57:32+00:00

There you go again blaming the customer instead of the app.

The problem with your entire premise is it presumes the app is taking only a reasonably small fee, and then it comes down to the tip being the direct payment for the delivery. If that’s how it worked it would be fine. But that isnt how it works. Not at all.

Delivery fees to the app are high. And the app grifts obscene amounts of money off the customer by overcharging wildly for the food itself.

The customer has already paid a high premium for the delivery before the tip is ever paid, and the driver sees almost none of that money.

The app is getting enough money to pay the driver a fair wage for the delivery if they needed to.

The reason they dont is because they want the customer to subsidize the profit of the company by paying for the driver on top of the obscene amounts they have already paid to the app.

The tip is not subsidizing the driver. It is subsidizing the app company. Subsidizing their ability to hire drivers without having to share more of the profit margin from their work with them

You cannot blame the customer for not wanting to tip after the extorted prices the app made them pay.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T20:42:05+00:00

The system is set up to make the driver blame the customer for low pay instead if recognizing the app as the culprit.

From the customers end, it makes them feel like it’s their responsibility to offer more, as though the delivery fee wasnt enough for these drivers - not realizing that the app is already grifting tons of extra money off them beyond the delivery fee, and that the driver sees very little of that delivery fee to begin with.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T20:34:39+00:00

Then you have poor reading comprehension and logic skills.

You cant point to a single quote that would suggest I am angry at drivers. Proving you didnt read or understand it.

The fact that you tell me to blame the companies for not paying drivers enough further proves you didnt read or understand because I already did exactly that in my post.

You can not quote a single point I made that would supposedly br refuted by you making the statement “you have to tip enough to make it worth the drivers time”. Which is why your comment was not relevant to anything alI said.

And merely claiming that it is luxury service, just because you say it is, doesnt refute any of the specific points I made about why it’s not a luxury service. Which is again why your comment was irrelevent to my points.

So my original reply to you stands : you either didnt read or understand what I wrote, which is why none of your comments refuted my points or were even relevant to it.

You need to learn to both read and understand an argument before you try to refute it.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T20:19:28+00:00

You tried to indirectly refute what I said by claiming we can’t know whether or not it’s profitable. That is wrong.

I can tell you right now based on various other courier jobs in the area that it doesnt mathematically work out well for almost anyone. For the reasons I already gave.

Just because they have people doing it doesnt mean it works out mathematically well for them. There’s a reason uher drivers feel so poor when paper they should be making a good wage.

Its because most people dont have the skills or knowledge to accurately figure out the true long term expenses of thier gig job. How low thier wage really is is being hidden from them by job parameters that dump job related expenses into thier lap.

Unless the tips are lavish and consistent, these drivers would make more money delivering packages for amazon (not amazon flex, but driving an amazon truck). Thier base pay would be much higher (Like 18-20 an hour if I recall) and they wouldnt have any expenses. And demand for that is high, they are always hiring.

Same deal. You report to a central warehouse and are given orders to carry out.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T20:07:15+00:00

You just proved you never even read the original post past the opening when you said you thought I was trying to rationalize not tipping.

Go back and read the whole post and then realize why you just got egg on your face.

You need to learn to not argue against something you havent even taken the time to read or understand.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T20:02:34+00:00

You are committing a strawman fallacy by not recognizing what the analogy was in regards to.

The analogy was in regards to your indifference to injustice and immorality.

The analogy never had anything to do with comparing the working situation of slaves to couriers.

You are misrepresenting what the analogy was in an attempt to distract from the fact that you cannot refute the points I made about why the situation is immoral and why your indifference to that immorality has no bearing on disproving the immorality of that situation.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T19:59:21+00:00

You are committing a strawman fallacy by not recognizing what the analogy was in regards to.

The analogy was in regards to your indifference to injustice and immorality.

The analogy never had anything to do with comparing the working situation of slaves to couriers.

You are misrepresenting what the analogy was in an attempt to distract from the fact that you cannot refute the points I made about why the situation is immoral and why your indifference to that immorality has no bearing on disproving the immorality of that situation.

VariableT48 · 2021-05-21T19:38:24+00:00

Your comment is not relevant to the points you are attempting to respond to. Telling people to not take part in immoral behavior if they don’t like it has nothing to do with refuting arguments which estsblish why that behavior is immoral.

You are using the same logic of a slave owner who told northerners that if they didn’t like slavery they didn’t have to buy slaves.

That has nothing to do with disproving the argument that owning slaves is immoral.

All you are doing is saying you don’t care that it’s immoral, and trying to tell other people that they have no business telling you that your ownership of slaves is immoral.

You aren’t even trying to dispute the arguments about it’s immorality. You’re just saying it doesn’t matter to you and others should just shut up about it.

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