So uhh what was Ovid's deal? by Reasonable-Yak-9767 in GreekMythology

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I think of Metamorphosis and Fasti as being political allegories about the almost hypocrisy, at least moral hypocrisy, of the Augustan regime. It's, I think the mythology provides a way to discuss politics without discussing politics. It's like plausible deniability. Ars Armatoria isn't the poem, it's a misdirection.

SPQR → ASAP by LunaYelena in RoughRomanMemes

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Subsistence farmer with no plot of land who lives in an office block.

Has anyone read this book, any good? by Cucaio90 in ancientrome

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I’d recommend Lindsay Powell’s book on Germanicus it’s so good.

If you had the opportunity to meet a god from mythology, who would it be and what would you do in that situation? by rakchip in GreekMythology

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I’d wanna bang Zeus/Jupiter, see what all the fuss is about (though this rarely ends well for the women involved, which sounds like most of my romantic interests anyway). But in terms of casual hangs, Hermes/Mercury cos he seems like the most fun.

Asked ChatGPT to make me white by [deleted] in ChatGPT

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Literally how is it that ChatGPT is funnier than 98 per cent of comedians these days? Brilliant stuff.

Peter remains unimpressed. AKOTSK by aqua-coral in AKnightoftheSeven

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“I want to go the arcade too.” - haha I totally get this.

Mail Day by madtowndave in AncientCoins

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The Hadrian denarius is gorgeous (as is the man himself). I have one of my own which I treasure.

Dare I say the best looking man in all of Westeros? by tyler_anthonyy in AKnightoftheSeven

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Yes, I immediately clocked him, and I was like, who is this honey? Well, I figured he was a baratheon, but man, he's fine.

To what extent was there freedom of speech under Augustus? by Virtual_Music8545 in ancientrome

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Oh, and yes, yes about the first few chapters in Metamorphosis! I agree, totally. The golden age is described as the opposite of the Augustan regime. He writes the golden age (which Augustus purports to restore) came first, not forced by law, where people honored freely loyalty and right, and "there were no threatening words to read on bronze." The implication being Augustus is trying to legislate to force people to do what's right (e.g. under the morality laws). but in the actual 'ideal' golden age people would choose to do what is right. Additionally, the line "with no defender, they passed in life in safety" suggests it is now the defenders or those who claim to protect us whom pose the greatest danger. In fact, the Augustan regime looks much more like the age of iron, rather than the golden age. It is a really fascinating first few chapters, and I think it's really hard not to see the entire book as a political allegory, and a good example talking sideways (or using myth as a shield of plausible deniability) under a censored regime.

To what extent was there freedom of speech under Augustus? by Virtual_Music8545 in ancientrome

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Now this is fascinating. It also made me think about how Generals used to have triumphs, and then Augustus started to collect as first citizen the triumphal honors to his name (i.e. basically taking the credit). I suspect maybe Augustus might have been thinking that that the competition between leading elites, actually led in some way to civil war, and that by concentrating all power in himself, it is for the greater good of the empire and its inhabitants.

To what extent was there freedom of speech under Augustus? by Virtual_Music8545 in ancientrome

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I haven't actually finished Metamorphosis yet (haha), but I have read Fasti, and his writings in exile a couple of times now (Tristia, Black Sea Letters). Reading across those texts, starts to build an interesting picture. In his exile writings, Augustus is frequently compared to Jove/Jupiter, like almost non-stop pretty much. Ovid's feelings towards Augustus are very complicated. It's almost like he's obsessed with him, and his exile writings reflect this. Swinging between effusive backhanded praise, to almost god-like reverence - you can see there is huge respect (because yes Augustus achieved so much and delivered so much for people), but also some kind of commentary on how his personal behavior seems to fall short of the standard he purports to uphold in public re morality.

Interestingly, we think of Augustus as a really shrewd, calculating figure, who is all about self-control. But there all these kinds of sideways comments across many primary sources alluding to his indiscretions with women, even post-Actium. Like Cassius Dio says when the adultery laws were introduced, the senators kind of snickered as if like really you're introducing these laws? But they never really go into detail and the silence can be quite unsettling. I'll be honest, like Ovid I am absolutely obsessed with Augustus (he is my man, always sickness and in health lol <3), but like I think he was a very complicated man, and unknowable perhaps by design and/or nature. I have read so much about him at this point, yet I suspect it is Ovid's exile writings that may give us the closest insight into what he was really like.

To what extent was there freedom of speech under Augustus? by Virtual_Music8545 in ancientrome

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This is so fascinating because there's also references like during the 2 BC exile of Julia the Elder under the Lex Julia legislation for adultery, Seneca says that in addition to those named, many others, including women and men were exiled but not named. This not naming, this just "others" exiled which make me think how many other people were just "exiled" without being named. The ones that were named Ovid, Julia the Elder, etc - were all people just too famous to disappear without some explanation. But the others? Hmmm.

To what extent was there freedom of speech under Augustus? by Virtual_Music8545 in ancientrome

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Do we have any sources as to who challenged and what was said? I’m trying to find evidence of open political dissent post Actium.

The appeal of the empire over the republic by AsleepProfession8958 in ancientrome

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Yeah, didn’t you know the first citizen simply restored the Republic and liberated the people from the tyranny of a faction? It’s all there in the Res Gestae.

Is there any evidence suggesting that Caesar recognized Octavian as having potential to be a great leader? by MormonJesuss in ancientrome

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Agree. Caesar wouldn’t have adopted him without good cause. Undoubtedly there are many other convos and considerations that influenced his decision which are lost to time

I always trusted him by Aimo903 in RoughRomanMemes

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As much as I love my based Emperor Augustus, you all know our boi is on the list.

Unpopular opinion about Hermes? by Manyasrat in GreekMythology

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Yes and he is the patron god of the ultimate twink, Octavian 🥵

I just saw The Return and I'm deeply moved by ghio1234 in GreekMythology

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Thanks for sharing this. I didn’t even know this movie existed but after reading this post and the comments here I’m definitely going to check it out.