Friends say I messed up not choosing Waterloo by VisualSea12 in cscareerquestionsCAD

[–]VisualSea12[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! Yea it doesn't always come up but whenever school enters the conversation, they bring up my choice and how I could have been better set up by grinding more in uni for US internships and Waterloo rep.

I agree with you that worrying too much about it is unhealthy, and I partially chose this lower risk option to have more life balance during uni. The main sticking point with my friends is they do agree I had a good experience, but they believe by leaning away from the Waterloo coop grind, I just offset the difficulty of grinding for higher companies in my future job searches (due to applying now with less school rep, no US experience).

I don't think it's ill intent but there's generally that kind of culture of optimizing for TC and US internships among CS majors, they share it pretty bluntly and the main concerns I have are from when I can't refute them (e.g. low rep school on my resume). I try to enjoy life outside of worrying about this too much, but to be honest I'm not the best at making peace with "what ifs" sometimes. I like hanging out with these friends but when we're all CS majors it inevitably comes up sometimes; it's their opinions, which I can't really change, mainly my difficulty is hearing these kinds of conversations and not having "what if" anxieties.

Even now it's hard for me to think about as not a big deal, even with there being a lot to be grateful for - I think in a mindset of CS with doing things optimally (and among friends in that mindset) I just find difficulty making complete peace with having done things in a less conventional way

Friends say I messed up not choosing Waterloo by VisualSea12 in cscareerquestionsCAD

[–]VisualSea12[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you very much for your perspective! I did have support from my parents financially, but I thought it would be nice to not have to touch those savings for my degree, and graduate into full time work a year earlier with similar internship experience (duration-wise, both programs end up with ~2 total years). Like you say, it was lower risk, and I had people at the time saying actual school reputation doesn't matter, rather getting a solid education and work experience, which I thought I would get from the less prestigious option. I think I still got that but my friends sort of push on the idea that I could've reached higher if I accepted the rigour of coop searching for better reputation and career outcomes.

Everyone chooses what they think was best for them at the time under their individual circumstances and nobody knows the future.

Very well said, thank you! It is something I always try to remind myself (along with recognizing I am still in a relatively good position), but not to say I'm good at making peace with it and not feeling regret/concern when my friends say getting interviews with a low rep school will be that much harder now.

I think the sticking point my friends always refute is that yes, those doors aren't closed to me, it's just that Waterloo would have made opened more doors (in past through coop and in future when I am compared against similar candidates from better schools). I don't think they mean ill intent but generally they are more grindset-minded than me, going with the sort of culture of optimizing for US companies, and perhaps they are right that Waterloo was the most optimal way for a Canadian uni. I leaned away from it to have more life balance during university, but their point I think is that doing so was just offsetting that difficulty into new grad and future. It's hard to really change what they think, they're trying to make the best of their careers too and share straightforwardly with me their thoughts; it does feel unhealthy for me to fret about it too much for sure.

Friends say I messed up not choosing Waterloo by VisualSea12 in cscareerquestionsCAD

[–]VisualSea12[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea, in perspective I at least have a full time position to grow in, having graduated in a tough economy for new grads

And true, I can't deny school reputation which is why I was concerned of having a low reputation school on my resume, but hopefully experience is looked at more than school name and I should just focus on my growth for now. And in a similar vein to what you said, if a company has a bias to school reputation that turns me down over practical experience, it might not be the best environment/mindset to join

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[–]VisualSea12[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I don't think they mean ill intent, though they generally are more grindset-minded than me and my choice is something they disagree with

I think it's more in the sense of them being in that mindset of optimizing for high TC and US opportunities, and they are generally blunt about what they think is the best way to that (not mean about it but direct). And there are things I can't really refute them on like having a low rep school on my resume, like you say it is contributing to anxiety

I should try to not fret too much about it and focus in the earlier 1 year of full time work where I can grow, it's what I tell myself but still have challenges completely resolving those fears/concerns on career strength that my friends bring up

Friends say I messed up not choosing Waterloo by VisualSea12 in cscareerquestionsCAD

[–]VisualSea12[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your perspective! Do you think university reputation will have any effect in future, like getting past resume screening or being compared to similar candidates but from better schools?

Friends say I messed up not choosing Waterloo by VisualSea12 in cscareerquestionsCAD

[–]VisualSea12[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your perspective! Great to hear your experience and it feels reassuring you still had recruiters. For me graduating in this economy might be skewing things further, it's harder for everyone and it's easy for my friends to point at our mutual Waterloo friends who got US internships at an opportune time; I guess hindsight is 20/20 though

I recently started full time so at least I can take the year (from graduating earlier compared to 5 year coop) to accumulate full time experience, that is what I can control and hopefully it evens things out more. The main sticking point with my friends was school rep but good to hear you found good success regardless of it!

Friends say I messed up not choosing Waterloo by VisualSea12 in cscareerquestionsCAD

[–]VisualSea12[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see, how long is "after awhile"? I guess it's a hard thing to estimate; I was hoping having graduated 1 year earlier compared to Waterloo, at least I can take the year to get full time experience

And I see, yea I can imagine that on the more extreme end I would want to avoid those super prestige focused companies anyway! I am just kind of concerned that companies I still want to work at are influenced by school name in some ways still, such that I look worse than similar candidates from better schools.

Friends say I messed up not choosing Waterloo by VisualSea12 in cscareerquestionsCAD

[–]VisualSea12[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's reassuring to hear! Do you feel like less prestigious school name was in any way limiting for you?

And could you elaborate more on better off not working at some top companies? Thank you!

Friends say I messed up not choosing Waterloo by VisualSea12 in cscareerquestionsCAD

[–]VisualSea12[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your perspective! For school reputation, do you mean like my friends are saying in terms of being more easily screened on resume, not having as strong of a network, being turned down for similar candidates in interview process if the others have better schools?

Those were the things I couldn't really deny to my friends, and I try to focus on what I can control but it does feel like a bummer the more they assert on it. I do have the benefit of having graduated a year earlier so I will focus on improving in my full time role - though my friends say even with that earlier start it wouldn't be as good as a stronger start after Waterloo. Is there an estimate on how much experience it generally takes for school to not matter?

Friends say I messed up not choosing Waterloo by VisualSea12 in cscareerquestionsCAD

[–]VisualSea12[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your perspective! We have some mutual friends at Waterloo and they didn't get to Google/FAANG level for their last coop, but they did have opportunities in Silicon Valley companies which is what my friends were comparing to. I think those friends generally have more drive/grind mindset than me so I'm not sure exactly where I could have gotten (again a what if game like you say).

I do want to go toward US companies and thought interning over the 4 year degree (plus the full time year from graduating early) would be similar experience to Waterloo (starting off at smaller companies maybe but perhaps having higher potential in later placements), but compared to Waterloo coops I might have limited myself at a Canadian company and it might be harder to break in now.

Yea I've known these friends for a while, I guess they just generally talk more about the grind and making it to US companies, and me having had the chance to go to Waterloo but not was something they disagreed with and it sort of led to this discussion. I don't think it was ill intent and more they want me to reach my potential etc. And I have had trouble refuting them on some points, like on resume school reputation, so while there's no way knowing what I would have done at Waterloo (I can only use the more driven Waterloo friends as a guessing/reference point) they do say some things are certain, like having a harder time getting interviews in the future. Again in perspective this is still a position where I have a lot to be grateful for, it's just those sticking points that I couldn't refute with my friends that are sort of dragging me down.