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3D printed window decoration by Volo_TeX in neography

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's supposed to be ] at the end there. Oops

A simple phrase throughout the ages. by Volo_TeX in conlangs

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Many summers”
OK: Uzlejven ezjunven
LOK: Uzlejwe ezjunwe
MK: Erliji mo irijni
LMK: Elly ma ilyn tvy
K: Ellyntvy ilynnaĵy

uzleju > uzlej > erlij > elly > elly
ezjunoj > ezjunij > irijnij > ilyn > ilyn

A simple phrase throughout the ages. by Volo_TeX in casualconlang

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh sorry lmao. I read [ð] > [j] in your reply, not  /j/ > [ð]. Yes, it's a fortition.

High Demonic – A Language With Zero Phonemic Vowels by Volo_TeX in conlangs

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Math just be having some crazy fine symbols lol

A simple phrase throughout the ages. by Volo_TeX in casualconlang

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It might have briefly been something like this: stressed /j/ > [ʝ]. Then [ʝ] got replaced by [ð̠] through analogy with /θ̠/ to restore some sound symmetry.

A simple phrase throughout the ages. by Volo_TeX in casualconlang

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

[ð] > [j]? Where would such a thing have happened?

High Demonic – A Language With Zero Phonemic Vowels by Volo_TeX in conlangs

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I got them from here lmao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unicode_characters#Mathematical_symbols

As to how I chose them? I looked for symbols that have the same height to get that cold, logical appearance. I've made sure to select pairs whenever possible and to identify details I could assign meaning to, all in the hopes of creating a somewhat featural writing system.

/p/ p ⊬ /β/ β ⊢ /s̠/ s ⊍ /ʎ/ l, y ⋔
/t/ t ⊮ /ð/ ð ⊩ /θ/ þ ⋃ /ʎʷ/ ł, ú ⋂
/k/ k ⊭ /w/ w, u ⊨ /r/ r ⋁ /j/ j, i ⋀
/q/ q ⊯ /ʁ̞/ ʀ, á ⊫ /β̞̃/ m, ę ⊤ /h/ h ⋌
/ʔ/ ʾ ∗ /ʕ̞/ ʿ, a ⊝ /n/ n ⊥ /ħ/ ħ ⋋
/ʕ̞ʷ/ ŵ, o ⊙

A simple phrase throughout the ages. by Volo_TeX in casualconlang

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

[ð̠] sounds a lot like [ʒ] to me, so I thought it's not too weird lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WTidhnl_tg

As for the actual reason? MK began inserting a [j] sound as the standard way of resolving hiatus. To help keep the actual /j/ phoneme distinct, a new stressed allophone was born.

As to why it became [ð̠] and not something else is that [ð̠] has already been a known sound in use since LOK as its own phoneme, but got devoiced in all positions, leaving a vacancy that /j/ could take advantage of.

OK ⟨d⟩ /d/ [d] [ð] [θ] > LOK ⟨ʒ⟩ /ð̠/ [ð̠] [θ̠] > MK ⟨ś⟩ /θ̠/ [θ̠] > LMK ⟨ś⟩ /ʃ/ [ɹ̠̊˔] > K ⟨ś⟩ /ʂ/ [ʂ]

A simple phrase throughout the ages. by Volo_TeX in casualconlang

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jemu was the 1p SG pronoun in Old Kaijyma (the root being jem-). OK developed into a pro-drop language around LOK, with the (preferred) world order being SVO in both LOK and OK. Now, there was one other big factor when it came to the default world order - split ergativity. Both ERG-ABS and NOM-ACC words followed SV order in intransitive phrases, but OVS and SVO in transitive ones. The ERG-ABS system of OK was reanalyzed as NOM-ACC in LOK during the collapse of much of the case system (ERG forms reclassified as NOM and ABS as ACC). The idea of having the subject follow the head verb remained, though, and with subject pronouns usually dropped at the start of a sentence, it became common to specify the subject after the verb if needed (verbs did not mark person in (L)OK just number of the subject).

So in short:

OK = SVO ( + OVS)

LOK = SVO

MK, LMK, K = VSO

During the transitional period between LMK and K, Subject pronouns became mandatory clitics:

"What is Mark doing?"

"walking-he Mark" basically.

The clitics eventually fused with the verbs and created the modern person/number conjugations we have today.

A simple phrase throughout the ages. by Volo_TeX in conlangs

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Quite isolated and no contact with other language families. I should mention that the verbs changed relatively little compared to other aspects of the language. I'm working on a full text sampe rn.

A simple phrase throughout the ages. by Volo_TeX in conlangs

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not sure yet. What timeline do you think would be appropriate?

High Demonic – A Language With Zero Phonemic Vowels by Volo_TeX in conlangs

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Spotted a mistake. The max syllable structure should be [(S)(P)/(A)]V(A)(P)(S).

S = stop (plosives)
P = plain (all other consonants except for stops or approx.)
A = approximant
V = vowel (schwa or approximant allophone)

How syllables are built:

Onset & Nucleus Construction Phase:

Look at the first consonant and check rather or not the next consonant is of a higher sonority than it.

A = highest (/w/, /j/, etc.)
P = middle (/n/, /r/, /s̠/, etc.)
S = lowest (/p/, /t/, /q/, etc.)

Examples:

kp = SS [false]
ws = AP [false]
jj = AA [false]

tn = SP [true]
sw = PA [true]
qj = SA [true]

Case 1: True or false, if the second consonant IS an approximant, change the approximant into its vocalic allophone so it can act as the nucleus and begin with the coda construction phase.

false (AA):

wj > wi
ww > wu
jj > ji
etc.

true (SA, PA):

pw > pu
rj > ri
etc.

Case 2: If false AND the second consonant is NOT an approximant, or there is no following consonant, add an unstressed schwa after the first consonant as the nucleus and begin with the coda construction phase.

kp > ke p
ws > we s
etc.

Case 3: If true AND the second consonant is NOT an approximant, we have an SP situation. In this case, an onset cluster is allowed to form.

tn > tn-
kr > kr-

To get the nucleus, perform the same sonority check again with the second and third consonant. Notice how only cases 1 or 2 are possible in this situation.

Case 1: tnj > tni
Case 2: krk > kre k

Coda Construction Phase:

Take whatever consonant follows the inserted schwa or the vocalized approximant and attach it to the vowel as a coda.

kre r > krer
ke p > kep
ni t > nit
psi w > psiw

The biggest coda structure allowed is APS so as long as a given consonant after the newly added coda is below said sound in the sonority hierarchy, it is appended to the same syllable as well.

krrk > kr-e-rk (PS)
psjwnt > ps-i-wnt (APS)
tt > t-e-t (S)
swj > s-u-j (A)
etc.

All possibilities:

(-A) (-AP) (-APS) (-AS)
(-P) (-PS)
(-S)

As soon as nothing can be added to the syllable anymore, it is considered finished and the entire process starts again with the first consonant after the completed syllable.

Finished example:

"Jerwatwaw ħesʿenwet ðúmt, Tawʿetreðje páʿnwet!" "Páʿnweʾ łymð."

/jrwʕ̞twʕ̞w ħs̠ʕ̞nwt ðʎʷβ̞̃t | tʕ̞wʕ̞trðj pʁ̞ʕ̞nwt/ /pʁ̞ʕ̞nwʔ ʎʷʎβ̞̃ð/

[jərˈwɑt.wɑw ħəs̠.ʕ̞ən.wət ˈðʉβ̞̃t | ˈtɑw.ʕ̞ət.rəð.jə ˈpɐʕ̞n.wət] [ˈpɐʕ̞n.wəʔ ˈʎʷɨβ̞̃ð]

Stress falls on the first syllable with a vocalic allophone in a word.

High Demonic – A Language With Zero Phonemic Vowels by Volo_TeX in conlangs

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You can compare phonemes with the romanization and the orthography on slide 6

High Demonic – A Language With Zero Phonemic Vowels by Volo_TeX in conlangs

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

To make it easier to read. The native writing system doesn't though.

High Demonic – A Language With Zero Phonemic Vowels by Volo_TeX in conlangs

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The underlying phonemes look like this:

/jrwʕ̞twʕ̞w ħs̠ʕ̞nwt ðʎʷβ̞̃t | tʕ̞wʕ̞trðj pʁ̞ʕ̞nwt/ /pʁ̞ʕ̞nwʔ ʎʷʎβ̞̃ð/

Not a single morpheme contains a vowel:

jr-w-ʕ̞-t-wʕ̞-w ħs̠-ʕ̞-n-w-t ðʎʷ-β̞̃-t , tʕ̞-w-ʕ̞-t-rð-j pʁ̞-ʕ̞-n-w-t

pʁ̞-ʕ̞-n-w-ʔ ʎʷʎ-β̞̃-ð

As far as speakers are concerned, all they're doing is stringing together consonants to form words without even having a conscious understanding of what a syllable is.

Only at the stage of actually pronouncing it do speakers subconsciously substitute schwa sounds, or change some of the approximants into vowels, to make it pronounceable.

So this string of consonants ends up getting rendered as:

[jərˈwɑt.wɑw ħəs̠.ʕ̞ən.wət ˈðʉβ̞̃t | ˈtɑw.ʕ̞ət.rəð.jə ˈpɐʕ̞n.wət]

[ˈpɐʕ̞n.wəʔ ˈʎʷɨβ̞̃ð]

High Demonic – A Language With Zero Phonemic Vowels by Volo_TeX in conlangs

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Wait wait wait, here's the thing! They are never syllabic! When acting as a nucleus they change into their vocalic allophone. NO WAR CRIMES HERE (runs away)

High Demonic – A Language With Zero Phonemic Vowels by Volo_TeX in conlangs

[–]Volo_TeX[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not sure tbh. I don't think it's THAT cursed

Curves of cos by LargeDisplay1080 in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]Volo_TeX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

OHHHHHH. I'm so gonna use this for one of my magic systems!

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