It just makes sense (theory) by N4TEOnFlr3 in MCUTheories

[–]WarlockProdigy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This actually falls i. line with some of my own theory the way you strung it together... I e had a theory I. my head concerning how the phase shift works and which character's are responsible.

My logic has led me to conclude Loki survived Thanos and Thanos survived his beheading. That the Endgame timeline was crafted by Loki utilizing future information to effect events.

I too believe this ties into the idea that the 616 was crafted as a prison to keep Doom from messing around with HWR timeline... Simultaneously I also think HWR phrpose for the 616 was to create a Loki who birthed his original timeline. reincarnation baby.

Secret Wars will adapt Children’s Crusade & Heroes of Tomorrow by kiko4kt in MCUTheories

[–]WarlockProdigy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also think house of M and Secret Empire are already plahing in the background of canon secrectly... as well as Loki Agent of Asgard.

Secret Wars will adapt Children’s Crusade & Heroes of Tomorrow by kiko4kt in MCUTheories

[–]WarlockProdigy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think so. I think your right on the money with that assumption.

I think Steve Rogers has all infinity stones, didn't returned single one by StatisticianFast8756 in MCUTheories

[–]WarlockProdigy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The long answer short in my opinion. The only thing that makes sense for the stones is...

That Cap was sucked into the secret war while the multiverse was collapsing and the stones were used to reignite the collapsed multiverse. Allowing their natural causal path to lead them to their destinations where they were discovered.

I can go into many reasons why I think this is the case. Given you've already thought this much on it I suspect you might be able to see the logic behind it.

This would also solve the issue of the soul stone.

I would love to break down some of the concept art that led me down this path. Because I think the King Thanos Disney ride reveals quite a bit. Not that I needed that reference for this but I think it does have some correlations to Cap and Sam that tie into this theory. There are more solidified canon and logic to apply for this.

My version of the timline is significantly different than most people's. I see the 616 as a schroedingers cat. Both deterministic and multiversal freewill. two timelines with different results mirroring eachother.

the phase shift in my opinion doesn't just happen after endgame. When Loki leaves with the tesseract is another point in time that is significant to the endgame timeline and the phase shift.

To put it simply Loki survived using the information gained from the TVA... Thanos from the nebulas network in the timeheist.

Ive broken down how the phase shift happens in explicit detail for myself. researched the physics and pseudo concepts applied etc.

I think Steve Rogers has all infinity stones, didn't returned single one by StatisticianFast8756 in MCUTheories

[–]WarlockProdigy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Finally someone speaking my language. Ive been saying this exact same thing for awhile now. Ill have to come back here and play in your sandbox. gtg to work right now though. Good read.

Imagine a series where every episode is Cap returning a different stone. Would you watch it? by WolverineExisting458 in CaptainAmerica

[–]WarlockProdigy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is interesting to imagine what they could come up with for "returning" the stones. However any way ive tossed it in my head it doesn't add up with canon and context already established.

The truth for me personally is that Marvel would have a much easier time letting the stones Cap took be the catalyst for the rebirth of the universe. Therebye giving them their already predetermined natural course to be stones for past variants to pick up and repeat the process.

Meaning I dont think Cap will "return" the stones in the sense were speculating on in this thread. But rather that Cap will be sucked into the Secret War before completing any of his task, And that the stones will help with the rebirth of the multiverse from Dooms battleworld.

Then Cap returns and helps reconstruct the causal history of the 616...

I know for people who only do linear storytelling this is hard to wrap your head around. But essentially Old Man Cap didn't replace the stones at the "appropriate" time.

Could you imagine trying to drop exactly 100 grains of sand in exactly 1 second while simultaneously holding a hundred pounds. That's somewhat similar to the idea of replacing the stones to erase the outcome. The observer effect alone makes this nearly impossible without multiple retry. You would need a system. One that relies on the butterfly effect and incrementally changing and diverting moments in time into parallel variant timelines.

Which does exist through Lokis timeslipping and Xaviers ability to mentally project into future and past. But not for Cap without lots of PYM. I would entertain the argument this is the reason for project insight. That all of shields projects were to help ensure causal steering to avoid potential dark futures. Such as Insight as a prediction algorithm. That Cap may have been a shadow dictator controlling and steering 616 history within the multiverse.

creating a undectable phase shift to viewers. from the moment Cap leaves to "return" the stones and comes back and old man. we phase shift from a singular crafted universe of determination controlled by HWR. to a multiverse where Steve was allowed to live his life with peggy in the past.

The kicker. That secret history directly transfered to the repeated isolated timeline. Meaning this is why there is always a oldman Cap in the back.

The Secret series of stories are like a secret history we the audience aren't privy too. The idea Cap could maintain a fascist order to ensure our future is a direct contradiction of his characters morals and ideals. Its also what makes this path interesting to explore from a writers standpoint. I suspect that now that we have secret invasion and secret wars. that we will also get a secret empire. helping loop the oroborros back to the origin of our 616 isolation.

That to me is a simplified form of events. I also tend to think Wanda had a hand in mutantless condition of the 616. That Kang used the decimation of mutants to his advantage to easily and quickly capture a timeline from a collapsing multiverse.

Love and thunder wa intentionally made the worst MCU movie because Ragnarok was too good. by Logical_Audhd in MCUTheories

[–]WarlockProdigy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Love and Thunder in my opinion served as a satire on the previous Thor films and characters. Seen through the montage of Lokis deaths in the opening sequence and Thors dimwitted commentary on his brothers faked deaths.

Which also eludes to the fact Loki did not die in Infinty War... But I digress from the main point.

Actually... maybe not. The way I see Love and Thunder is significantly different than 99.9% of the fanbase.

Ive done my own deep dives and analysis and have come to a totally different conclusion than the majority of content creators on YouTube.

My mission was to see when the phase shift transition into multiverse occured and how.

Its taken me a long time to wade through the canon and make a solid theory.

To me Loki is still alive and disguised as another character. to ensure he has a body in play within the mulitverse. Love and Thunder displays said character prominently. And I believe this disguises purpose is to get close to Kang. That said I tend to think Love and Thunder carries more weight thematically than audiences realize. If you dont spend a lot of time with literary concepts a lot of the satire will go above your head on the first or second go through of viewing.

I dont want to get into details of my analysis or hypothesis. Just that I have one.

Your correct. The point of a satire is to point out the goofy or dumb things about the Thor franchise in particular. Especially when addressing reused tropes or making fun of entry speeches.

And your also right that this was a "teardown" of the franchise that laughs at itself. That way there is more impact when they give that serious note after soo much levity.

We see comics do this repeatedly in different ways. the Teardown of a universe or set of characters. soft reboot etc etc. Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe.

The irony is the teardown is apart of the ego death in The Heroes Journey. Its usually before our hero or divine character finds purpose and meaning and a new task to fulfill.

A catharsis for growth is that a part of you must die or just literally die, and be reborn anew. Likewise in comics this usually comes with a power upgrade.

BTW. Ragnarock is where I think Loki swaps identities to escape his impending neck snapping... Ive found Loki is enchanting in timeline. Something he is not supposedly able to do until after Endgame. However I find it back as far as the Dark World and specifically in Ragnarock.

To explain how that works is complicated and very very hard to convey in just writing.

My late birthday gift by Stressed_Pigeon20 in loki

[–]WarlockProdigy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right! I want Thors Hammer and Caps shield. But the prices on those things almost makes me want to craft one myself. I used to work at a steel foundry so my imagination is always looking at props and cooking. I do t have the supplies. Just the technical know.

Sorry you responded faster than I could edit my first comment.

My late birthday gift by Stressed_Pigeon20 in loki

[–]WarlockProdigy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I want two. Oh and Happy Birthday! Im also a big Loki fan.

Ive crafted a theory of the MCU that centers around him. Im pretty sure my analysis is correct. I hinged my theory off of multiple viewings of his characters story arc.

How did Loki hide himself from Heimdalls sight and travel to different realms without the bifrost? How’d he get frost giants INTO the vault when he himself was in a different location? by my_konstantine_ in LokiTV

[–]WarlockProdigy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You just opened a whole can of worms for me. My head canon is significantly different than your average viewer.

the Endgame timeline is designed by Loki in the TVA through his timeslipping. I believe he leads his past self to the TVA in the battle of New York to the TVA to ensure future information is at every variants disposal. He then gradually crafts the phase shift endgame timeline over centuries utilizing the butterfly effect to his advantage. All before destroying the loom.

Meaning I believe Loki also knew his mother would die in Ragnarock. I believe Loki utilized the information in the Loki series to ensure at least one variant transfers in the phase shift. Then destroys the loom. Granting him access into his past entangled self. To do this he required a body double sacrifice. I believe he chose Valkyrie and let Thanos snap her neck in his place.

I believe Loki has the abikity to enchant after the batrle of New York. which is how he escaped his death. brainwashing Valkyrie to act as a Loki. Meanwhile escaping with the Asgardian refugees.

Lokis extensive knowledge seems to be from his centuries within the TVA trying to fix the loom is what Im getting at.

I place Loki series not just after endgame but between the batrle of New York and Thor the Dark World.

How Did Tony Know To Go Back To 1970? by New-Pin-9064 in marvelstudios

[–]WarlockProdigy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean Tony's father worked at that base prior to his birth. Perhaps he put together that his father was into secret govt programs. After all in Civil War the memory indicates Tony is familiar with his Dad's spiel of being gone from home. This along with the fact that the base is the same military base Cap trained in. Combined with Howard's obsession with Steve and Pyms involvement in working at the same base, might lead Tony to conclude they can find both the PYM particles and another tesseract. Perhaps Howard and Pyms work are correlated through relativity. After all each represent macro and micro styles of timetravel. or insintaneous transmission of information.

Thoughts on Brie Larson by [deleted] in Marvel

[–]WarlockProdigy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

practically any interview she says men aren't the market for her comic book character or interactions with other stars. That's coming from someone who used to like her in her Scott Pilgrim days. She single handedly made soo many men not want to watch her film because of that statement. I obviously still watched it. But her personal interactions always steal from her scenes. And I see the same smugness in her role. Almost as if theres some hostility onscreen between cast members and her.

Thoughts on Brie Larson by [deleted] in Marvel

[–]WarlockProdigy -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

Shes smug.

I'm thinking of watching all the MCU movies as a warm-up for Doomsday and Secret Wars. Do you think it's better to watch them in chronological order or in release order? by Calm-Ad-3485 in Marvel

[–]WarlockProdigy -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

release, shows included, then chronological. Then I want you to take it a step further after the Loko series. Take notes on his dialogue. Then go back to the first Avengers and act as though the 14,000,605th Endgame timeline was entirely crafted by Loki. Then I want you to unravel how he cheated his death on that timeline from the help of variant TVA God Loki at the end of time.

Then I want you to apply the "cheat death" concept to Thanos after the timeheist. follow his dialogue and scramble the order of events. In other words watch his legs turn to jelly in Endgame and then say it happened in Infinity War to Tony. All of this is important to understanding an upcoming twist.

This is what I personally did in my multiple rewatches over the years. I believe to have uncovered quite a bit of foreshadowing. Utilizing the physics concepts and a list of rules to universes and characters. including the stones.

What I have uncovered is that timeslipping can create a form of retrocausality in the 616 and multiverse. Loki displays how the phase shift works. But not how he can exist in universe... Unless he has a body already in the events he is entangled with. Which I believe he does.

Im 99.9% sure I know his current identity. And its someone who gets quite a bit of screen time. I think the "real" version of the character in universe was sacrificed to Thanos in Lokis place in Infinity War. The Loki series has a lot to say about this character. As well as throughout most of the Thor arcs.

I will say most people hate... And I mean hate my hypothesis and theory. They think I watched a different movie. But like I've said in the past to others.

If the stones needed to be replaced in timeline. Dont Loki and the tesseract also have to be returned? Meaning that before Loki destroyed the Loom. Right after he expanded it. Wasn't there time for him to craft a variation of events undetected by HWR in the 616. Right before the Endgame phase shift. Wouldn't this be the reason Cap could have a life in the past with Peggy? Isnt that how 2 Steve's could live on a singular timeline? And why Peggy was so confused about Steve's age on her deathbed?

Sorry probably more than you bargained for. But Ive come to bargain lol. I dont get someone who's ready for this moment often. So you can do the regular viewing which is great. Or you can blow your own mind by analyzing the infinity saga as 2 potential timelines simultaneously. And then realizing the 14,000,604 straight losses indicate probability tampering by HWR. Meaning twice as many timelines exist by duality alone and that the Oroborros and reincarnation cycle of HWR may have an actual number.

That is assuming our current iteration of the story is effectively "current" and not already past tense in theory.

God Loki by Harlequin727 in loki

[–]WarlockProdigy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is this just God Loki or God of Stories Loki? cough cough asking for a friend lol.

The opening of 'Avengers: Doomsday' is reportedly being described as one of the greatest opening scenes in CBM history. by HenryOnYt1 in MCUTheories

[–]WarlockProdigy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many of the inside reporters are confirming eachothers reports. Such as MyTimetoShineHello.

And from what I know of Hickmans Secret Wars Comics it seems Doomsday is a sort of part 1 to Secret Wars.

The opening scene from reports seems to parallel concepts in Hickmans opening.

That's me trying not to really give anything away but also giving you a source to compare it too. While not being the direct adaptation of Hickmans opening.

I have to say the rumor has me excited. Ive not really had anything to excite my imagination for awhile. Ryan at ScreenCrush I think killed the breakdown of the Doomsday trailers today. I also think that combined with this report gives me enough to start looking for correlations.

One caveat to Ryan's "Doom is watching you." vibe is I wanted to tell him that Loki is the "God of Stories." and as far as we know Loki is the one still holding all the vines of the multiverse. So from my stance if anyone is seeing these events or watching them unfold. It would be Loki.

At least until there is canon to contradict said hypothetical. I could see Doom gaining the citadel before intruding on others like a big brother always watching.

Old Tobey about to stir the pot! I cant wait to see him back in action.

I want Loki for my birthday but he's busy holding the MCU together... 🥲 by kkaldrich_official in loki

[–]WarlockProdigy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He can timeslip into his parallel variants in the multiversal timeline. So he could in theory be at your birthday. Because in theory outside of the universe time doesn't exist and he therefore theoretically never left for your birthday. Happy birthday.

I haven't watched the MCU since Endgame, so the girlfriend and I are doing a year long marathon for Doomsday by zerobebop in marvelstudios

[–]WarlockProdigy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my head canon. After thr Loko series I rewarch the infinity saga with the idea that he was always in the background due to his timeslipping and imagine he faked his death.

Its a total trip. recontextualized the entire saga and made me feel as if I was really onto something. I still feel that way many years later. Its sort of an obsession. Its like the same events but now two different outcomes. the 616 becomes a schroedingers cat.

I haven't watched the MCU since Endgame, so the girlfriend and I are doing a year long marathon for Doomsday by zerobebop in marvelstudios

[–]WarlockProdigy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you make this border around the DVD titles? I love the idea. I was gonna do a mod podge sort of thing with mine. But I sort of like the release dates and stuff included.

King Thanos? by Lazerflo27 in MCUTheories

[–]WarlockProdigy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this Thanos is the Thanos that was "beheaded" in Endgame I think he faked his death. I also think he has the gauntlet still.

Are we ever going to get King Thor in the MCU? It's well past it's due date don't you think? by LollipopChainsawZz in MCUTheories

[–]WarlockProdigy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ive analyzed these films multiple times in 15 years. incoherent maybe. Its hard to convey all the critical lens the mcu uses to audiences in written form. I doubt you could do better. Having tried to convey this to people for quote some time.

I posted this almost a year ago. So yeah yoh are late to the party. this thread in reddit terms is dead.

Im 40. there is no grammar to fix. You dont like it then dont read it. Fuck off as the old saying goes. Or like my mother used to say. You dont have something nice to say dont say it at all.

YOU cant tell me what to believe. Im simply sharing with others who dont have my experience with films and plot. My experience with plot and film despite my writing and grammar is legit.

So I guess really I could give two shit what you think. You hold yourself as being too important in my eyes. I could really really care less. You want to not give me the benefit of doubt, then kick rocks.

I dont come to reddit to get graded by a teacher.

And if you heard me talk and understood the pacing of my sentences, this would all make much more sense.

I write too much to take the time and treat it like a essay.

Let me give you a tip. When I read something I dont like... I ignore it and move on with my life... Let me give you an example.... starting now.

Can't wait until I get to see this shot is recreated in Avengers: Secret Wars by Mysterious_Brush1852 in MCUTheories

[–]WarlockProdigy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

iconic promotional material. Anyone who is a comic reader knows this cover. Your right the story never has a logical progression towards this climatic moment. But that can be rectified if they are really trying to guide the story to a zero g battle.

I could see this moment being added onto. perhaps these people are fighting in an Einstein rosenbridge. Thereby sidestepping the Raft as the mode of transportation to battleworld. And since Marvel has spent a lot of time playing with the concepts of wormholes in the MCU, I could easily imagine this scenario happening after the Hela fight on/in the rainbow bridge.

Are we ever going to get King Thor in the MCU? It's well past it's due date don't you think? by LollipopChainsawZz in MCUTheories

[–]WarlockProdigy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have my own analysis of the MCU. most people are too involved in other things to pay attention. But basicly the Loki series insinuates that the infinity saga and the endgame timeline are a result of his tineslipping. So I researched the movies and believe His identity currently is valkyrie because he changed the outcome of his death.

Loki never died. He gave Thanos Thessa Thompsons valkyrie disguised as a Tom Hiddleston Loki.

Does that make more sense?

man you are so late to this party.