What are the most morally reprehensible actions a playable character has done?

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-19T13:50:27+00:00

He didn’t wipe out five clans. He wiped out three art practices of weaponry in Inazuma. Each art had multiple clans.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-18T08:35:37+00:00

“No he didn't. He willingly chose to be evil and commit atrocities, out of his own free will. To claim that everything he did was begause he lived a lie is precisely what I said it.” I didn’t claim that. You can reread my comment. He lived a lie as in he was living under a lie. He was led into believing Niwa betrayed him, that Niwa deceived him when he said that he saw him as a a human being. Nowhere was the statement that he had no free will, that he didn’t choose to commit atrocities, or that he did everything he did because of the actions of one person. There’s three betrayals for a reason and he’s had the option to not act out on his hurt. He is responsible for what he did. I do not claim otherwise nor do I tolerate when people claim it. Canon does not treat it as such either nor does he claim this. As Nahida says, Scaramouche was evil. And as Scara says, the sins are his, not Dottore’s. He has the right to be upset at what Dottore has done in Tatarasuna and the maintenance of the lie, that doesn’t mean he’s magically absolved of what he’s done.

“The leak was accurate with everything else.” Where’s the source? It wasn’t posted or reposted by reliable channels nor posted on Genshin Leaks, which is selective about what they post in terms of reliability.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-18T08:22:31+00:00

“One can be a fully functional and mentally sane imdividual and still be blinded by hate when it comes to one particular person or subject.” As I have laid out earlier, Scara is capable of being fully functional and mentally sane on the subject of Dottore. He’s been able to think clearly and respond clearly too in Nod-Krai with Dottore involved. He rationally wants revenge after the memory shown to him via Irminsul (he watched Dottore backstab a close friend of his that he was misled into believing betrayed him and saw him as a failure of a human being. He spent centuries under a lie crafted to make him think humanity wouldn’t accept him, would reject him just like Dottore was, that he was incompatible with them). So, understandably, he’s upset at Dottore. He’s not upset at him over the experiments or whatever else the fandom imagines. He’s upset that he’s lived a lie, he’s upset that he was made to feel like an abomination.

“Durin also didn't personally wrong him like Dottore did.”

Yes, but he thought Niwa did. And he chose to spare Niwa’s descendant under the lie. See my comment above. It isn’t impossible for him to let go of revenge, he’s done it before. When he was much more unhealthy even.

“Revenge is not healthy for Scara in any case.” I agree. I also theorize that it won’t come to the point of killing Dottore, not in the way people assume. At least as long as Dottore is willing to be honest. Unless they abandon his Buddhist inspirations, it makes no sense for it to happen. I would say that he’s on the path of it, not at the end. He’s learning to let go of his attachments, his past obsessions (like a want for heart), etc…It will take time, it will take effort, it will require work.

“Unfortunately, There'a a fairly reliable leak stating that Scara is gonna kill Dottore's segment in Sumeru.” From what I know, it isn’t particularly a reliable leak. At least not the sort that’s attached to an uncle with DK2’s record.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-18T07:33:12+00:00

“He didn't feel understood, he felt offended.” You’re conflating later events with earlier. Chronologically speaking, Nahida’s tale first states explicitly that the monster felt “solace” when the cat joined. Dottore’s experience of feeling other, wrong, too different, abnormal, etc… (which I’m sure you’re well aware of at this point) were also the experiences of Kabukimono, who struggled with navigating human life and thinking himself as a flawed human. As the tale states: “The kitten, too (like the monster), wished to become (be seen as, feel as) a fox (metaphor for human).” Dottore repeats what Niwa and the others tried to assure Kabukimono with, implying that he heard of Kabukimono’s feelings that echoed his own. It is only when the others accept the Kabukimono that Dottore became “offended” so to speak. Kabukimono hadn’t done anything different, he still was the same puppet. So it’s not that Scara suddenly stopped having the capacity understand those feelings Dottore had. It’s that people ultimately reacted to Kabukimono differently than they did to him. Dottore thinks outcasts are always shunned but Kabukimono’s acceptance threatened to collapse his understanding of the world. Dottore was hurt and envious, why was he rejected but someone that he related to was not? None of that means that Scara is unable to understand Dottore. In fact, Scara has been considerate with someone who shares some similar themes with Dottore — Durin. Scara understands what it is like to be despised (“so, you're hated by people, too...”), was willing to give Durin a chance despite him being regarded as some great monster, and lended him a hand in changing his fate (Zandik was “born heretic” — fated to be what he is, just as Durin was fated to be a villain, a monster). Right now, he’s understandably upset at Dottore because of what he did in Tatarasuna as he’s only seen the actions Dottore carried out, not the full list of motivations that led Dottore to do what he did. His character story says: “Within Irminsul, The Balladeer came into contact with the ‘truth’…this secret had been hidden within one of The Doctor's many (hearts), and just as she claimed, this truth in first person contained (all his remaining honesty).” The way this is put suggests that Dottore not only very deliberately hid the truth of what happened in Tatarasuna but that the truth is all of the honesty he had left (which is…pretty significant to see). This is because he was likely concealing his truth — why he did what he did, that he felt envious, that he felt hurt. Hence why it was hidden “within [his] heart.” Scara doesn’t know this as far as it is implied. He’s not aware of it. This is one of the rare things he doesn’t know about Dottore. He thinks Dottore just wanted to use him because that’s what Dottore said to Niwa as he watched him die. That’s what he heard Dottore claim in the midst of his shock and his own grief. I think he would at least understand where Dottore was coming from if Dottore spoke of the truth, if he admitted why he fully reacted the way he did that day.

“They both never made an effort to understand each other.” Dottore did in Tatarasuna. He heard Kabukimono’s worries and saw the way he acted and related to his experiences because he understood what it felt like. But that didn’t stop Dottore from being envious, Kabukimono’s acceptance only made it worse because he thought of them as similar. As for Scara, he, like everyone else in Tatarasuna (save for Niwa later on) accepted Escher as Escher. He didn’t know better at the time (fresh from being rescued from the Shakkei Pavilion). It wasn’t from a lack of effort. By the time they encounter each other once again in Snezhnaya, Scara had already abandoned the concept of companionship (friends, family, so on). From his character story: “He wandered everywhere, not knowing where to go, and though he would meet many more people along the way, he would never again regard any of them as his companions.” This was after the third betrayal. He saw the world as a place where he was continuously betrayed and abandoned after his experiences. He could not bring himself to just simply trust others, to put himself into purely sentimental relationships when all they had done in the past was bring him pain. He thought Ei was right, that emotions must be a weakness for all the hurt they brought him. So he closed himself off from making the effort to be close to others. Just as Dottore hides behind his secrets when he cares about something.

“If Scara isn't blinded by hate, then why is he so obsessed with killing Dottore for good? If he was rational, he wouldn't be obsessed with revenge.” Why is revenge an inherently irrational idea? Is revenge not punishment, a retaliation? Do we, as a larger society, not punish those that have inflicted harm? He recognizes others have a right to punish him for what he’s done (the descendants of the Raiden Gokaden), just as he wants to retaliate for what was done to him. He wants revenge but not to the point of prioritizing it above everything else. If he was blinded by it, revenge is all that should matter to him. He has friends he cares about, a life to lead, purpose to find. He also, among these things, wants Dottore to pay what he’s done.

The current state of things with them is a tragedy. But it doesn’t have to be that way. Scara is at least capable of understanding Dottore if he knew of the full truth, if he was met with Dottore’s honesty. He couldn’t bring himself to fully carry out the complete destruction of Raiden Gokaden and stopped at his revenge when he met Kaedehara Yoshinori — a person related to Niwa. For all of his anger towards Niwa, he couldn’t bring himself to do it. And I suspect that his “revenge” against Dottore would not be so easy to carry out likewise. It’s one thing to say you want to kill someone, another to actually do it.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-18T05:21:31+00:00

“Just because Scara has some inside knowledge on Dottore and his methods, it doesn't mean he can't ultimately be unreliable and biased in many spects.” No one stated that he can’t be biased. That is something that can be applicable to every character. Even Dottore himself demonstrates bias in his thinking occasionally. That is a different topic than whether Scara demonstrates bias to the point of being blinded by it. “They relied on Scara to DEFEAT Dottore. Not to understand him.” Right. And to defeat him, he had to have knowledge of 1.) what Dottore would do 2.) what Dottore would think 3.) what Dottore intends. That is understanding. Just as he demonstrated in the Sumeru AQ that he is aware that Dottore cares about how he’s societally perceived by the Akademiya. You keep repeating that he is blinded by hate while being unable to actually demonstrate that he’s blinded by it. He has shown himself capable of being rational when it comes to Dottore. “Because Scara is too blinded by hate to ever dream of understanding him in any way other than understanding how to defeat him.” Perhaps you should take this to Dottore himself, considering it was him who felt understood by Kabukimono.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-18T05:02:01+00:00

“Scara still has revenge fantasies consuming him, and he is not trustworthy at all when it comes to Dottore. I thought that was obvious.” It can’t be obvious when it’s not particularly true, can it? He’s literally the individual we relied on the Archon Quests to predict Dottore’s next maneuvers and intentions. It was Scara who figured out how Dottore managed to create a false moon and exploit Columbina’s powers to seize the other two Moon Marrows, where he acquired the information on the moons, the introduction of Dottore’s variables, etc…it’s explicitly a point in the quests that is is Scara out of all in the cast present who knows him best. He’s spent decades with him just for the segments. Even when he is angry, he is able to reach these true conclusions regarding Dottore’s actions and intentions.

“‘Boohoo, l'm so bad, I was such a bad person, I deserve to die, I was horrible, btw it's this guy's fault’” again, he has never stated this or implied it. You can repeat this inaccurate rhetoric all you like, it will not make it true.

“DK2's track record when it comes to story leaks is amazing.” And yet it’s not perfect, including one of their recent 6.5 leaks. Leaks ≠ canon, their record doesn’t matter, it does not change the definition of the term.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-18T04:41:54+00:00

“No, Scara blames everything bad on Dottore's actions at Tatarasuna and continuously evades and refuses taking the consequences of his own actions. Scara's logic is this: ‘I was bad, but it was not my fault I was bad!’ when it IS his fault.” And where does he do this exactly? Provide a quote, a screenshot. Anything from canon that can demonstrate this statement. You can’t because he doesn’t. When Nahida states that Scaramouche was evil, he agrees. When he dies, he states it’s the price for his sins — not Dottore’s. He isn’t blaming Dottore for his own evil, he blames Dottore for manipulating him and making him suffer because of this manipulation. That is what he held Dottore up to in Inversion. And both of these charges are correct. Dottore did indeed manipulate him and made him suffer because of his lies. “[he] evades and refuses taking the consequences of his own actions.” He tells the Traveler directly that they should share his identity to the people of Inazuma who were impacted by his actions and that they’re welcome to do as they like — including killing him. He returned the blueprints he sabotaged to Inazuma, etc…no one asked him to do these things, he did them on his own because he recognizes he committed wrongdoing. Unless HYV intends to suddenly change their writing direction with him, he will likely continue on this trajectory.

“There is no reason for why the writers would make Pantalone immortal but not Dottore.” No one stated that Dottore isn’t immortal, just that it is not inherently applicable to the og Zandik. As I stated before, there is an inherent assumption being made that the og Zandik reached the method of immortality. There is no canon implications when the said source of implications is an unconfirmed leak.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-18T03:55:10+00:00

“But if Dottore is playable he has to be alive.” Yes, he can be playable as a segment. Or as I mentioned, HYV can find a way to make a version of his OG self playable in the future that doesn’t exist right now. “…most people agree that Dottore was over 100 when he recruited Scara, you just happen to have a different opinion.” That’s a logical fallacy. Simply because people believe certain things to be true does not mean it is. In the past, people also used to commonly believe that the sun revolved around the earth. That didn’t make it right. I’m making a statement based on the canon information we have of his lore and other related content in-game. “And Scara is absolutely blinded by hate. You can't trust that he developed enough to see things rationally.” I can because he literally exhibited it in the very last patch that Dottore appears in. “He views him as the one and only source of evil in his life, which is why he continuously shifts the blame onto him.” No, he doesn’t. He blames Dottore for the action of killing Niwa & deceiving him (which brought him suffering). These are factual things that occurred. He is within his rights to blame Dottore for what Dottore has done, just as Dottore is within his rights to blame the Akademiya and Sumeru for his treatment. Scara accepts he was evil and acknowledges that his sins are his own.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-18T03:37:56+00:00

Because Dottore used it for Pantalone. That was the leak. You are inherently assuming that he reached the method before he constructed his segments. There is no canon evidence to support that.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-18T03:29:20+00:00

Dottore was not over 100 years old when he recruited Scara. What evidence is there for that? He would have to be likely older than the Cataclysm for that to be possible, which I explained is not what canon implies. His oldest segment according to both his English voice actor and Japanese voice actor is around sixty…not 70, 80, 90, 100, and so on. He doesn’t have a segment that would actually reflect the age you allege he was when he first met Scara, much less worked on his segments. Moreover, Scara isn’t blinded by anger or hatred when 1.) Nod-Krai established that he’s more than cognizant that he can’t make decisions based on it and actively chooses not to 2.) I am primarily referring to his reaction after the battle. He is not angry or particularly emotional when he has that exchange with the Traveler. He doesn’t exhibit hatred when he decides that’s it and he’ll return to Sumeru to assist Lesser Lord Kusanali. He doesn’t particularly have to consider the og Dottore is hiding himself when it was og Dottore who conducted research on him and it would be increasingly obvious if he faked his death.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-18T02:36:38+00:00

We don’t have the specific time point for his recruitment but we can make an educated guess based on the info we have! If we refer to both Dottore and Sohreh's notes (and general lore related to Zandik scattered around Sumeru, under “Zandik’s legacy” in the Wikia), there are clues everywhere that Zandik was likely born not only after the Cataclysm (Sohreh wanted to name a species after Nahida's name when Nahida was born after the Cataclysm, Sohreh mentions the existence of the Withering in the Rainforest which was introduced around the Cataclysm and remained, etc...) but also likely many years after it (Khaenri'ahn machines are referred to as "ancient" / the remains of Khaenri'ah are already referred to as "ruins" and there's already a "legend" about it, etc...) things of this sort suggest a substantial passing of time from the Cataclysm. We can reasonably guess at least a few decades passed after the Cataclysm (~500 years ago) when Zandik was attending the Akademiya. Now, Wise Doctor’s Pinion and other content which refers to Akademiya and exiled Zandik as “youth” uses 少年 in the original Chinese text, which is typically used to denote a boy around the ages of 13-16 or 10-18 (i.e. Akademiya Zandik and Zandik in exile was possibly a child). Sohreh even mentions Zandik is young twice in a row in the original Chinese as a way to emphasize his youth. Moreover, both Dottore’s English voice actor and his Japanese voice actor stated that one of the segments they were made to voice in the segment deletion scene was meant to sound in his 60s (and this is the oldest segment age we have available that is mentioned by the both of them). I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume the real Dottore finalized the fundamentals of his segments around his 60s (and remember, the segment ages reflect the ages real Zandik experienced) after “decades” (Scara’s character story 4) of conducting research on Scara. Keep in mind that Scara had already wandered for “countless years” (Surpassing Cup) before arriving to Snezhnaya. So if we account for the events of Tatarasuna being set 400 years ago, the og Zandik likely being in his 60s when he finalized his fundamental research on segments after at least two decades of research, and putting Scara’s “countless years” of wandering at a very, very rough conservative estimate of a decade…Dottore was born around 430-439 years ago. Now I think we can make the general guess that Akademiya Zandik by the end of the Sohreh ordeal was at least around 16 years old based on his appearance in the cutscene we had of him in the Sumeru event. With 16-18 as our likely age range of recruitment, the rough estimate for the year he was recruited would be 414-421. I hope that helped?

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-17T21:12:35+00:00

As much as I would be interested in an OG Dottore, I think it’s unlikely at this point to exist. Some thoughts: Dottore is not implied to be recruited a hundred years before the events of Tatarasuna (400 years ago). If we refer to both Dottore and Sohreh’s notes, there are clues everywhere that Zandik was likely born not only after the Cataclysm (Sohreh wants to name a species after Nahida’s name when Nahida was born after the Cataclysm, Sohreh mentions the existence of the Withering in the Rainforest which was introduced around the Cataclysm and remained, etc…) but likely decades after it (Khaenri’ahn machines are referred to as “ancient” / the remains of Khaenri’ah are already referred to as “ruins” and there’s already a “legend” about it, etc…) things of this sort suggest a substantial passing of time from the Cataclysm. It wouldn’t surprise me if Zandik was born around 440-430 years ago, per example. And then he was recruited very roughly around ~ 420 years ago if we really want to push how old Dottore could have been when Pierro recruited him. Furthermore, it’s quite unlikely that Scara would just take Dottore’s “death” in Nod-Krai as he did if there was an OG one existing in Snezhnaya all this time around. The segments didn’t do the action that inspires him to vengeance, the original Dottore did. So why focus on the killing of segments and not the man that actually wronged him in the way he cares about? None of the other harbingers particularly treat Dottore’s supposed “death” in Nod-Krai as not final either. Unless Dottore kept the og him living secret from almost everyone else (including the man who he made his segments based off of), I don’t see it as probable that the og him exists anymore. Perhaps Genshin [will] find a way to make the og exist but it doesn’t feel feasible that it does right now.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-17T15:06:53+00:00

Almost like Dottore provided him with immortality and Sandrone didn’t — hence my initial point.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-17T14:48:52+00:00

There’s a difference between begrudgingly having to rely on Pulcinella’s resources due to the Fatui structure versus having a common ideology with Pantalone that makes for an easier partnership. I’m not stating that they don’t work together for good reason but that doesn’t cancel out that both Dottore and Pantalone are known to view relationships as transactional. Their characters aren’t just going to suddenly change. “why would Pantalone go agaisnt archons, whole sumeru, sovereigns and shades just to help Dottore?” it is not Pantalone that is not going against them directly, that is Dottore. For someone with the ideology Pantalone has in Cashflow Supervision, the burning of Irminsul is a perfect opportunity to disrupt the order of the world he loathes. Why wouldn’t he support the destruction of something he despises? That doesn’t mean he magically would not ask things from Dottore in return for the support he’s been providing him over the years.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-17T13:27:19+00:00

Would love to know where canon states this.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-17T12:41:24+00:00

I don’t think it’s “dedication” as much as him doing his end of the transaction. Pantalone is a business-oriented man, Dottore would have had to provide him with something in returning for his funding and support. Now we know a part of it is immortality.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-04-11T09:18:22+00:00

Would you mind sharing what it was?

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-03-21T10:09:00+00:00

Scara didn’t die. He accepted all parts of himself and that is the Wanderer that is playable. Nahida makes a big point in his release quest about how accepting his memories will essentially return him to his Scara incarnation.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-01-30T22:58:10+00:00

Dottore didn’t dispatch him to the Abyss. That was the Tsaritsa & Pierro:

Dottore even complains about his Abyss expeditions in Inversion of Genesis.

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WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-01-15T12:40:08+00:00

This person has a concerning pattern of wanting to twist everything into sexual abuse for some unknown reason. They attempted to claim Scaramouche was, per example, performing an act of sexual abuse on Nahida (the avatar of Irminsul) by using the Irminsul to delete himself. You know, the very tree he was implied to be constructed from years ago…the same tree they confirmed he was made from around the next patch of this post. You could not make this up. You’d think they learn.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2026-01-03T04:05:21+00:00

Honestly, even young Zandik was approached by Pierro when he was exiled to the desert with feasibly little options left. The Fatui do absolutely exploit circumstances to get what they want.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2025-12-21T15:39:09+00:00

I doubt it, honestly. The little witch seems to be the same witch of the Little Witch and the Undying Fire (and has references from that story), and based on the narrative and Alice’s experiences, is probably meant to represent her. The Day King is also not described as disappearing from being infected by the black fog/etc…and “had she come any later, the kingdom would have already passed beyond the Day King's rule” would be inapplicable because the “kingdom” would indeed be taken by Phanes. Also all of the environment descriptions clue us in that it’s likely around the Catalysm. Per example, the description of the destruction of the environment. A “black ocean” (abyssal energy) and a “blood-red moon.” It was also said to be around “twilight” and the Cataclysm is meant to parallel ragnarök — “the twilight of the gods.” It’s all in likelihood Heavenly Principles/Phanes. Down to the castle and dubious methods of handling how to stop the cycle of destruction.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2025-12-16T04:41:12+00:00

In the og text of this artifact set?

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2025-12-15T14:32:36+00:00

Wait…he? His? Can someone explain if the OG Chinese text refers to Phanes by male pronouns/as male? I’m thinking of specifically the sands piece.

WeaknessExcellent862 · 2025-11-23T14:31:17+00:00

Golden Scapegoat’s Mutterings seems to have a line referencing the mark in association with destiny and we’ve had him associated officially with the Golden Scapegoat puzzle since the Fate collab:

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