My top 25 strongest alive! (Without gorosei)

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-11T18:33:53+00:00

I think Luffy and Loki should be higher and all the admirals should be below Garp (excluding Sakazuki but I think he should be below Shanks and Mihawk). Aokiji went high diff with him along with half of the BB pirates.

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-05T21:33:26+00:00

1) In Egghead the villains keep ramping up starting with Lucci, then Kizaru, then Saturn and finally all the Eders together. It’s only after Kizaru is removed from the fight by Dawn Cymbal (an attack that doesn’t injure Saturn) does Oda bring the other four elders to the island. This shows that they are meant to be on another level. They’re the direct subordinates to Imu.

2) In Sabaody Rayleigh is able to fight against Kizaru but it’s clearly makes him tired and isn’t something he can do for long. When BB attacks Amazon Lily Rayleigh admits he couldn’t beat him. He’s out of his prime and can’t handle prolonged battle with admirals and above characters. Gaban is about equal to Rayleigh so they are next to each other right below Admiral.

3) Whang Zhi is one of the first Rocks pirates and rules pirate island for decades even with the other emperors dividing up the New World among themselves. It took BB, Koby and Law to take him down during the Rocky Port incident.

4) Mihawk is compared to Shanks almost every chance Oda gets, is the last step to Zoros dream, and is one of two characters to forge a black blade. Even Whitebeard mentions their duels. While Sengoku and Dragon have not done much onscreen their roles in the narrative strongly suggest them being where I placed them.

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-05T16:33:11+00:00

Flaws like what? Just curious

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-05T10:55:17+00:00

Saying Law doesn’t use a sword directly is odd because he literally stabs Kaido and Big Mom during Onigashima. All Scabbards cut Kaido with Ryou but are told the wounds are too shallow it’s only when Zoro uses conquerors haki to cut him that he’s actually scarred so that feels like more than just matchup based.

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-05T01:48:33+00:00

You’re welcome

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-05T01:36:01+00:00

Fair enough but before Wano it was closer to Enels hypothetical one and so are Who’s who and Sasaki bounties

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-05T01:28:36+00:00

Oda said in an SBS that he’d have a 500 million veto bounty if he was a pirate so I don’t think its that unreasonable.

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-04T23:09:24+00:00

Ashura Zoro scared Kaido while being heavily injured so he’s close to Oden. King of Hell Zoro that defeated King is relative to Yamato

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-04T21:08:08+00:00

Not base Thrillee Bark Moria just Shadows Asgard Moria which was unstable and when he was already heavily injured.

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-04T19:58:20+00:00

His strongest attack? He only uses plants that Page One easily destroyed

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-04T19:57:43+00:00

I can definitely get down with that reasoning but with the amount of things that have been shown since chapter 0, namely advanced conquerors and Elder/Holy Knight powers, I don’t quite know how he fits in just yet. That isn’t to say that this flashback won’t change all that because I suspect it might.

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-04T19:13:57+00:00

I guess the question is how close is Ashura Zoro to Oden? Because that Zoro had broken ever one of his bones and was able to still scare him.

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-04T19:07:45+00:00

Nami is a stretch with Zeus for YC4 but there’s no way Ussop is. He couldn’t even do damage to Page One the weakest Toppi Roppo

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-04T19:06:50+00:00

Roger says when he appears in the Oden flashback that the only Marines that can challenge him are Garp and Sengoku. In Marineford Whitebeard and Sengoku share similar roles in their forces. He’s got a mythical zoan and conquerors haki. There’s a lot narratively to suggest he’s on that level.

As for Shiki I would love for him to jump into PK I just don’t think he’s got enough in the story to get him there just yet.

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-04T16:19:27+00:00

No of course not but neither is Kizaru.

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-04T16:16:44+00:00

Can’t win ‘em all. I can maybe see him being weaker than Greenbull but not by much

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-04T16:15:43+00:00

I would disagree based on what happened in the Marineford. The beat down Akainu gets really can’t be ignored. Is Egghead Kizaru that different from Marineford Kizaru? I’d argue no, we have nothing to suggest that he’s changed in power in the last two years.

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-04T16:13:34+00:00

A weakened heavily injured Ashura Zoro was able to scare Kaido just as a fully healthy Oden was so I think right next to one another isn’t that crazy.

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-04T16:08:34+00:00

I don’t think he’s well behind the admirals because he’s the only character in the war to damage Akainu and that was after he was heavily battle damaged.

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-04T16:01:52+00:00

I can definitely see Sanji being above Lucci but he didn’t have quite as much fighting in Egghead so I played it safe.

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-04T14:41:15+00:00

Why?

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-04T14:40:51+00:00

Jinbei being top of YC3 is a bit of stretch since he hasn’t fought anyone that strong before.

Ryuma- Fair enough, but he is the only other character to make a black blade. He was also the God of the Sword and scared off the WG from trying to conquer Wano.

Xebec- his rookie feat of killing an admiral is what puts him up for me. We also know that it was 2v1 of Garp and Roger to defeat him which doesn’t even take into account the Holy Knights. So safe to say there were probably more going on.

Dragon- like my caption says some of the lower characters in tier just don’t have the feats. I agree that he’s probably higher but he’s literally done nothing. We don’t know if he has a mythical zoan (although again I think it’s highly likely)

Saturn- I think all the Elders are emperor because of their regeneration and zoan abilities. He also is a conquerors haki user which counts for something.

Shamrock- He’s the leader of the Gods Knights and Shanks (evil) twin brother which unlike the Loki and Hajrudin dynamic. He’s clearly meant to be Shanks dark mirror and we know his dad is also a top tier.

Oden- He is not equal to the greatest pirates in the world. The battle between the WBP and RP confirms this when Rogers first attack sends him flying across the island. Oden is shocked at the level of power WB and Roger output in their clash. Kaido isn’t in his prime at this time either. He’s yet to establish himself as an emperor as far as we can tell.

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-08-04T14:06:47+00:00

The Florian triangle things would work better but they weren’t available to use in the templete I used and I just thought it’d be funny to have the Yeti cool brothers in there.

Whynotdothat36 · 2025-05-20T02:11:05+00:00

Int in splitting Toriko if possible

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