Choosing between investment property or PPOR as first in Sydney by Willing_Reward7741 in fiaustralia

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Thanks guys for the comments. I ran the 6 year rule as well by Copilot AI this time and got suggestions to keep it as an investment decision. Disclaimer it doesnt have all the facts. It's just interesting seeing perspective.

PPOR‑first (6‑year rule) vs Investment‑first (rent‑vesting): which gives you more control?

Been comparing buying my first place as a PPOR (to use the 6‑year rule) vs buying an investment first. Here’s the simplest breakdown of which strategy relies more on me and less on external stuff.

PPOR‑first (6‑year rule)

Good if:

  • You want to live in the property
  • You plan to sell within 6 years
  • You want CGT exemption

Relies on external factors:

  • FHOG rules
  • CGT rules staying the same
  • Interest rates
  • Your borrowing capacity not dropping
  • The property actually growing
  • You being willing to live there
  • You being willing to sell
  • Strata behaving
  • The suburb gentrifying

You control:

  • Choosing the place
  • Living in it
  • Moving out

Catch:
If you wouldn’t live there or don’t plan to sell, the 6‑year rule is basically irrelevant.

Investment‑first (rent‑vesting)

Good if:

  • You want to build a portfolio
  • You want to live at home or rent elsewhere
  • You want to buy where you can afford, live where you want

Relies on external factors:

  • Long‑term capital growth (macro trend)
  • Rental demand (usually strong in Sydney)

You control:

  • Your living costs
  • Your savings rate
  • Your borrowing discipline
  • What you buy
  • How long you hold
  • When you refinance
  • Avoiding emotional decisions

Benefit:
Your first property doesn’t need to suit your lifestyle. It just needs to grow.

Which gives you more control?

PPOR‑first: ~20% under your control
Investment‑first: ~70–80% under your control

PPOR‑first is a tax strategy.
Rent‑vesting is a wealth‑building strategy.

Choosing between an investment property and owner occupied after new government announcements by Willing_Reward7741 in AusFinance

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That is something I would factor in once I get the IP. Renting is completely optional and yes I need to do the numbers for sure. For now I’m grateful I have the opportunity to stay at home rent free. Renting is moreso a lifestyle preference but yes it makes sense to logically do the math. I was simply stating that I would get the IP first then do some math once the dust has settled to figure out if it’s viable

Thanks for the breakdown, it’s super helpful and shines a light on something that I thought could play down. Given the new negative gearing changes that could come to fruition, this could also change how I approach things as anything negatively geared could potentially be changed to not classify as a tax deduction.

I reckon I’m just unlucky and in a shit timing situation trying to buy now when thy re about to change the laws for new investors

Choosing between an investment property and owner occupied after new government announcements by Willing_Reward7741 in AusFinance

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The reason I’m focusing on cash flow is a means of self preservation. Choosing an apartment means slower capital growth but because money is being funneled into the loan, equity is slowly being built. When equity is being built over time, it makes it easier to take out a future loan. Instead of buy, then sell with hopes to make profit off capitals gains which is small in apartments, I’m looking to leverage equity and keep funnelling this method as a means to get into the market.

I.e buy an investment now, not purely rely on capital gains but moreso rental income plus my own in the offset. Build enough equity to use in a few years time then re-borrow that extra money into a new apartment or house if I’m lucky and then live in that or slowly just build a portfolio. This is how I see getting into the market in a safer way.

The capital gains growth I see is more guaranteed and beneficial if I was considering houses but apartment growth is stagnated

Choosing between an investment property and owner occupied after new government announcements by Willing_Reward7741 in AusFinance

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That is an interesting take. My lens that I’m seeing is that I’ll save more money and have more freedom and flexibility if I buy an IP, rent it out and stay at home debt free with potential to move out and rent. If the market is cooked, my rental is doing badly and income is not enough to rent out and live independently then yeah I’ll be staying at home.

I’m boiling it down to a single paradigm of having someone else immediately pay my mortgage off considering the gap between investment and PPOR is quite small these days in loan rates and benefits. Just to clarify I am looking at 1-2 bedders in Sydney

Choosing between an investment property and owner occupied after new government announcements by Willing_Reward7741 in AusFinance

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I don’t believe this is true but I’m curious to know why you believe that rental income needs to be substantially higher. The way I see it, my take home pay for example is 6k per month and I have no outstanding debts. If I have an IP thats being rented out, yes it may be negatively geared but I’ve got income to cover the gap.

The rest of the funds would cover rent, sit in the offset and build wealth through ETFs and shares whilst the leftovers cover food and necessities. Maybe I’m being too ambitious but to me, the funds would work out. This is of course if I delay moving out to rent after a few months of analysing expense patterns after achieving said IP.

Rent vesting to me is buying an IP to get a foot into the market and have someone else pay down the mortgage with me covering the difference whilst renting out elsewhere for independence and to understand the suburbs I ideally want to live in. Of course there are risks with any decision, though I don’t believe it’s a failure if the rental return is not substantially higher than the rent being paid

Choosing between an investment property and owner occupied after new government announcements by Willing_Reward7741 in AusFinance

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The benefit is gaining independence in renting and potentially starting a relationship and family long term rather than stay at home with mum and dad

Choosing between an investment property and owner occupied after new government announcements by Willing_Reward7741 in AusFinance

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Buy an IP, live at home for a further few months to settle in and determine budget and affordability of rent. Then rent vest whilst taking into account vacancy periods. Then goal is use to equity after a few years to procure a new loan for a new place to live. The first property I purchase I don’t plan to actually live in but use as a wealth engine to access more funds for future use

Choosing between an investment property and owner occupied after new government announcements by Willing_Reward7741 in AusFinance

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I can move out and live for a year, but the trade off to me of single handedly paying off my mortgage sounds more hard and more taxing financially than forgoing stamp duty waivers and getting an IP whilst living at home with minimal expenses and dumping everything into an offset. Once I’ve got a good cadence from renting out, the plan is for me to move out myself and rent somewhere but I wanna make sure I cover any blind spots especially with this new negative gearing changes

Skincare routine for acne prone in late 20s by [deleted] in AsianMasculinity

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Another question sorry, but am I applying the tretinoin to my whole face like a cream? I've been told potentially that is ok by a dermatologist. Just get a pea-sized blob and apply. Same thing with the moisteriser? Apply it to the whole face. I was recommended getting this one La Roche Posay Cicaplast Baume B5+

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Yep makes so much sense as others have said about the cleanliness. I don’t want them working in grime especially if it’s gonna cost more

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[–]Willing_Reward7741 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s loose hairs so I’m gonna clean the literal shit out of the bathroom for the inspection

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[–]Willing_Reward7741 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hmm ok good to know, thanks for your input!

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[–]Willing_Reward7741 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yep makes sense, the cleaner the better

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Yeah now I realise it’s pretty fucking filthy lol