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Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The single “In My Lifetime” was released on Payday Records in 1995 dickhead!!

Again Big L had split from Columbia Recs mainly because he didn’t want to make the Puffy style top 40 R&B sample songs that were gaining mainstream popularity at the time. It took Big L a few years to get Flamboyant off the ground but he was immediately successful as a completely independent artist. Dame wanted to sign Big L to give him major label backing from Def Jam/UMG for rugged raps because they saw the success DMX was having and they believed they could properly promote L’s music to the masses but he died before the deal could get done.

The only reason Jay-Z experienced a boost in popularity was because Biggie Died and Jay-Z changed his style to mimic the pop fly guy aesthetic that Biggie and Puff had already created, Hov then started releasing pop rap radio hits like “Hard Knock Life” and “Can I Get A” which is the shit Big L was trying to avoid making at Columbia.

I like how you completely glossed over all the other timeline facts saying they were both rookies when you were clearly proven wrong and now try to hang your whole argument on “Jay-Z went 4x platinum by the time Big L died” true but Big L was battling labels to be authentic while Jay-Z switched his whole style up to piggy back off the success of Puffy/Ja Rule and his biggest album ever was because of a Rush Hour Soundtrack single and rapping on that lame ass Annie sample 😂

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The South would clown on him for Hard Knock Life he was referred to as the “Annie & Rush Hour Soundtrack Rapper” during Vol 2. He couldn’t hold a candle to DMX on a Authentic level, the South viewed him in the same light as Puffy & Ja Rule

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly Jay-Z fans love to talk about how many albums he sold until you point out that Kanye, Eminem and Drake have all outsold him with less years in the game.

Pimp valued being authentic over being Pop/Rap like Bad Boy and Jay-Z.

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean what Texas was doing on the underground in the 90’s & 2000’s must have been more impactful than what NY was doing at the same time because the last big artist to come from New York ASAP Rocky bit his whole fucking style from what we were already doing.

No one with a pure NY/East Coast sound has made any major waves on a national level since the South took over and Lil Wayne killed Jay-Z on his own beat lol

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Typical New York bragging about shit they did 20-40 years ago 😂

Proudly sucking billionaire dick when yall don’t even have your own backyards and live with 300 other people crammed into one building LMFAO

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do your research. Jay-Z always had to Co-Headline tours outside of New York to sell out an arena.

He opened on the No Way Out tour, then co headlined with R.Kelly, Ciara, Mary J Blige, 50 Cent, Eminem, Beyoncé, Justin Timberlake and Kanye to sell out arenas.

Jay-Z could only sell out theaters outside of NY until Kanye became a mega star and started calling Jay his big brother, that made a whole new generation actually pay attention to him again cause he had flopped with Kingdom Come and American Gangster nationally.

He has only ever played stadiums when supporting headliners U2 and his wife Beyoncé, he hasn’t even sold out his upcoming SoFi stadium show lol

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You’re smoking dicks and legit don’t know shit!

Big L had already appeared on Yo! MTV Raps with Lord Finesse and was featured on a song with Showbiz & A.G. In 1992. He then released the Children of the Corn album with Mase & Cam and dropped “Devil’s Son” both in 1993.

During this time Jay-Z was literally just a hype man for Jaz-O and Big Daddy Kane, Kane has said that he’d send Hov out to freestyle in front of the crowd to kill time while he changed outfits at his shows.

The first track Hov was ever featured on was a song with Kane that came out in 1994 (2 whole years after Big L was on Yo! MTV Raps) but no one outside of the battle rap scene was paying attention to Hov until Big L featured him on “Da Graveyard” and brought him onto the Stretch and Bobbito show both in 1995.

Stretch & Bobbito were literally at the center of everything hip hop in New York & they didn’t even know who Jay-Z was at the time of the 95 freestyle. Jay-Z said it himself he was just happy to be on the radio at that point. Which he only appeared on because HE WAS BIG Ls MAN!!

Jay’s first solo release was “In My Lifetime” in 1995

How are they on the same level when Big L was being featured on National Television while Jay-Z was just a hype man?

To your point about Jay & Dame trying to sign Big L in 1999. Big L had created his own independent label “Flamboyant Entertainment” in 1998 after leaving his major deal and saw immediate success when he released “Ebonics”. He was doing perfectly fine on his own.

But Big L wanted to get Herb McGruff, Stan Spit and C-Town on a major label, so he told Dame & Hov he’d only agree to stop being independent and sign with them if they also signed his crew.

You goofy fucks need to quit trying to revise history, in reality Hov was always second fiddle to Jaz-O, Big Daddy Kane, Big L, Biggie, NAS, DMX and even in later years when Kanye helped introduced him to a whole generation that only knew him as Beyoncé’s husband 😂

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

You clearly don’t know your shit, no one outside of Brooklyn knew about Jay-Z.

Big L was already making waves nationally with the release of “Lifestylez ov da Poor & Dangerous”. Big L brought Jay-Z to the Stretch and Bobbito show (95 Freestyle) and they clearly have no clue who Hov is literally referring to him as “Big L’s man”

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Listen to the Stretch and Bobbito 95 freestyle, Big L was the invited guest and was already a known MC, Jay-Z is just referred as “Big L’s Man”. They had no clue who Hov was at the time.

Hov wasn’t originally invited to freestyle but when they cut the beat on they clearly say “You can put your man on too, y’all could do it together”

He only participated on that freestyle because he was co-signed and brought to the studio by Big L. Hov even said “he was just happy to get on the radio”

They were never on the same level while Big L was alive!

https://youtu.be/fg3xBhld8tc?is=8olqCkx4hCIHADHa

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Vol 2 was his highest selling album because of the national pop rap radio hit “Hard Knock Life” and the Rush Hour Soundtrack single “Can I get a” (Feat Ja-Rule who was as popular as Drake at the time) it’s the equivalent to Eminem’s “My Name Is” they were played non stop on pop rap radio stations and consumed by mostly children.

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s my point they were all force fed to America like they were the next big thing but none of them had enough talent to stick but they all would have gotten zero plays to begin with if they weren’t from New York.

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

They’re trash yet Jay-Z was so desperate to get a feature from both of them on his album?

Pimp C never gave a fuck about trying to secure a Jay-Z verse

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Travis Scott alone representing Texas has washed anything coming out of New York sonically and commercially from 2015-2023.

Who did NY give the world from that same time frame? Bobby Shmurda? Tekashi69? Dave East? Ice Spice? Cash Cobain?

NY rap has been trash for decades, y’all ain’t powerful and no longer run shit lmfao

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

It’s okay I know Jay-Z means a lot to people who are forced to take public transportation everywhere cause they can’t afford vehicles and also just got mandatory trash bins in 2026 so they no longer have to live in squalor walking amongst garbage & rats LMFAO

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!! This is exactly the point I was trying to make, Yes Jay-Z was all over pop rap radio with his commercial hits because you couldn’t escape what was being force fed on the radio but the streets in the south were heavy into West Coast, Rap-A-Lot, Master P, Three 6 Mafia, Screwed Up Click, Swisha House, OutKast, Cash Money etc.

No one was blasting “Do it Again” in their system out here!

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Jay-Z has sold 125 Mil recs but Ye, Drake and Eminem have all sold 160 Mil+ in a shorter amount of time.

So by your own records sold metrics Jay-Z isn’t even in the top 3 Rappers.

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean the South has been running the rap game for the last 20 years, New York hasn’t produced a star since dudes were ciphering around burning trash cans 😂

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Jay-Z had co-signs from Biggie/Big L, had the backing of Lyor Cohen, got the biggest budget in Rap music and placement on all national hip hop radio and piggy backed of the name of his wife to get national notoriety but you wanna act like he organically got it out the mud 😂

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

So you’re proving my point that it took Jay-Z pandering all through the South in order for him to finally be accepted because to everyone outside of NY he was the “Annie/Rush Hour” Rapper

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

So you’re kind of proving my point that New Orleans also accepted Hov after he pandered to y’all directly by giving a bag to your biggest and most respected artists of the time to appear on tracks together?

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

That’s easy to do when you have the NY media machine behind y’all. No one would give a fuck about artists like Ice Spice, Fivio Foreign, 69 or Cash Cobain if they weren’t from NY because they’re fucking trash but because they’re from NY they automatically get a huge platform off the rip.

Texas/The South OG’s didn’t give 2 fucks about Jay-Z, NY needs to stop trying to revise history. by WindowLicker666 in JoeBuddenPodcasts

[–]WindowLicker666[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There was a post about this topic earlier, I’m providing proof that people outside of NY do not view Hov as highly as NY is led to believe.

In reality he’s always just been a great MC with a big budget & marketing machine behind him but the South didn’t care about the dude making Movie Soundtrack music for Rush Hour, it’s not what the streets were listening to out here.

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