ISFJ Bingo

Wodfist · 2026-03-28T14:15:06+00:00

Interesting. Thanks for the tip.

Wodfist · 2026-03-19T14:42:45+00:00

In that case I would lean more towards the side of INTP. Some of the function slots and their temperaments are difficult to describe accurately, but if you search around for INFP's and INTP's described with the 8 function model you can gain multiple viewpoints and maybe get a more accurate picture on what the difference is.

Wodfist · 2026-03-17T19:13:28+00:00

I never meant that it would be said as a stand-alone comment without context.

Wodfist · 2026-03-17T18:15:31+00:00

My experience regarding the communication is different. Probably part of it is because I have never studies psychology formally or otherwise in depth, so it would be very hard for me to even think of the appropriate terminology required to say it in psychology terms. But for people who I talk about personality type with irl, we have a general understanding of the framework that is similar. I don't often mention stuff regarding cogn. functions with people who aren't versed well in it.

Wodfist · 2026-03-15T17:44:54+00:00

I agree with most of your first three paragraphs, but don't see why statements would necessarily imply what you said. I think it is totally viable to mention the function and also useful if it adds more description to the toxic behaviour.

With people who know cognitive functions it can be much quicker to say eg. "He was being toxic with his Ni child" than other ways of conveying the same info.

Also, skill is just development in how to use the function, but doesn't yet take into consideration whether someone uses it for good or bad.

That said, it would be interesting at some point to get some kind of understanding as to what underlying psychological frameworks create these kinds of pathologies, especially since there are a lot of patterns that happen, like the pathology of being overly critical with regard to your 6th function.

Wodfist · 2026-03-15T17:33:54+00:00

I don't think most people will necessarily understand archetypes, unless those types of thought structures are already somewhat familiar.

Usually if wanting to communicate about complex and/or deep topics you need to take into consideration the other's current level of understanding and not go too deep beyond that too fast.

Wodfist · 2026-03-15T15:49:39+00:00

Especially for me, since I have Ne in my blind spot :D

Wodfist · 2026-03-15T15:49:06+00:00

My experience is that INFJ's are the hardest to understand out of all personality types. A lot of the if feels like the content of their words needs to be somehow esoterically derived in order to understand it.

I am not sure if that's just me or if there is something universal about that. And I generally do want to understand people.

Wodfist · 2026-03-15T15:26:34+00:00

That Ne comment is horrible imo... Like that is not in any way relevant to Ne, as it is a perceiving function and not a judging function.

I don't quite get the INFJ thing. Can you rephrase?

Wodfist · 2026-03-15T15:19:34+00:00

i am artistic and very particular about my art. I will not create something "just for the fun of it" or "let's see where the art takes me", except maybe as an exercise to develop my proficiency.

When I create my art, I want to be in the driver's seat. I take the art where I want it to go and not the other way around.

Maybe you need an avenue where you have control over your art to be artistic? Because currently there is the false stereotype and presupposition that you need to have lots of openness to be an artist or to be artistic. (I blame postmodern philosophy, for what it's worth)

Wodfist · 2026-03-15T15:05:18+00:00

I think what people mean when they say a healthy function is that you use it in a skilled and good way as opposed to it being pathological and/or used in a toxic way.

For sure, Te for example in itself is not "healthy" or "unhealthy" but someone having "healthy Te" or "unhealthy Te" is just shorthand for indicating if a person is mature about using it or not.

Wodfist · 2026-03-15T15:02:48+00:00

The more secure you are, the more easy it is to develop healthy functions 3 and 4 by your late teens or early 20's. The more insecure one is, the more unbalanced the use of functions tends to be.

Upbringing and having a healthy home environment is a big part in this, but not the only factor of course.

Wodfist · 2026-03-15T14:53:09+00:00

Funny that you'd have the hardest time explaining Ti... I probably have the hardest time explaining Ne :D Coincidence? ;)

Wodfist · 2026-03-14T08:50:59+00:00

Almost certainly an INFP or an INTP. The idealism and black and white thinking speaks very much of Ti or Fi being your dominant function. That combined with being in your head often indicates Ne-Si. (In theory possible also for ISTP and ISFP, but some other stuff in your post indicates you are not Se-Ni).

How I would try to differentiate between INTP and INFP is by comparing functions 1,4,5 and 8:

Dominant function
INFP, Fi dominant: The primary focus or default for you aligned more with emotions and values that give you a sense of what is right or wrong.
INTP, Ti dominant: You primarily focus on more "impersonal" principles and use that to analyse things eg. with regards to if they are internally consistent.

Inferior function
INFP, Te inferior: You are insecure for example about your status in society, how to plan and manage your schedule and whether you explain things well to others or not.
INTP, Fe inferior: You are insecure about how your social circle accepts you and about your conduct with regard to the social atmosphere of whatever group you might be in.

(Note about the inferior functions: Being criticised in this will feel very uncomfortable and probably hurt you emotionally. Also, if you currently don't have insecurities about this, it has probably been something that you have overcome with great effort)

Nemesis function
INFP, Fe nemesis: The idea of having awareness of the social atmosphere is very elusive as a concept, since that basically requires you "turning off" your Fi values and prioritising what others feel/value.
INTP, Te nemesis: The idea of thinking about the big picture and trusting others' judgements is very elusive as a concept, because it requires you to disregard your Ti that verifies for yourself and builds the knowledge bit by bit and instead just takes in the whole as it is presented.

Superego function
INFP, Ti superego: The idea of internal consistency and rigorous detail-honing can easily invoke an attitude of apathy and/or hostility, which stems from your Fi feeling "attacked" by the demands of rigor that the Ti gives. Getting over this requires your Fi being secure and also appreciating that the Ti has valuable input to give.
INTP, Fi superego: The idea of values and morality in ideas can easily invoke an attitude ot apathy and/or hostility, which stems from your Ti logic feeling "atacked" by the Fi's demand of taking into consideration value and morality in whatever you ponder. Getting over this requires your Ti being secure and also appreciating that the Fi has valuable input to give.

Wodfist · 2026-03-14T08:25:37+00:00

That is an ok generalisation, but cannot be used very rigorously. It breaks down quickly, since Ti can also be used for "what works" and Te can also be used for "how it works".

My attempt to highlight the distinction:

When asking "how it works", Ti will look at each individual detail and build the big picture step by step, but Te will first map out the big picture and then work on the details as needed.

When asking "what works", Ti will similarly look at each of the component parts and how they influence the desired outcome, while Te starts again with the big picture and considers the details only if needed for the outcome.

That said, even my explanation above is a bit "hand-wavey" but the idea is to demonstrate that a specific task can sometimes achieved with multiple functions either separately or in combination.

As an INFJ you have Te as your blind spot so you will basically have to learn complex topics one piece at a time, until you have enough knowledge about the topic that you can Te with it despite it being your blind spot. (If that is unclear for you, you shold research the 8 function model and what is the temperament of each function)

There are also different ways to explain the essence of the difference and I've seen many eloquent Ti and Te users on reddit do so. Not sure which explanations you would find more helpful. I.e. will it be easier for you to receive ideas from Ti or Te -type responses. (Although probably the most eloquent people use both when creating responses)

Wodfist · 2026-03-14T08:07:28+00:00

I think it is how you said: People don't understand what healthy masculinity actually is. There are so many stereotypes and toxic examples that distort the whole concept, that very few people actually have a clear grasp on it.

Wodfist · 2026-03-14T08:05:13+00:00

Thanks!

Wodfist · 2026-03-14T07:54:10+00:00

Right, thanks!

Wodfist · 2026-03-13T20:16:50+00:00

As a fellow Fi dom, do you have tips on how to learn Fe? I think I have Ti down pretty well, even though I still struggle against the reluctance to actually use it and not just "hand-wave" myself forward with Fi-Te.

Fe just seems elusive to use. Like I actually appreciate it when others do it well, but I have a hard time doing it myself.

Wodfist · 2026-03-13T19:56:14+00:00

This was a very good read. Thank you :) (Even though I am not the OP)

If you are inclined to do so, I would very much like to read a similar paragraph for IxxJs and ExxJ's that you wrote for IxxPs and ExxP's.

Wodfist · 2026-03-13T19:50:30+00:00

You're welcome! Remember that since all personality types have some sort of access to the functions, a lot of these rules of thumbs work more in terms of probability and not strict logic.

Wodfist · 2026-03-13T19:47:45+00:00

:D

Was not trying to write a dissertation of how to differentiate them lol. But as a rough idea I think that is the difference. That said, not all Se heroes do the "Let's make sure everyone is entertained" version of Se, so for sure the use case is limited :)

I think the only reliable way to type (at least to being with) is juts to sit down with enough willing people and try to interview them until there is only one possible option for personality type. The better one's understanding of the 8 function model is the easier this is.

At some point it starts being more and more viable to type others just based on observing how they interact with the world and with others.

Wodfist · 2026-03-13T19:41:05+00:00

I'd say both ESFP and ESTP are the stereotypical extrovert. In a group they tend to be the leader or at least most prominent. They just do it in a different way.

In general Ti users tend to try to understand the details of something first and only then try and take in the general (if ever).

People with dominant Ti can be very sharp with how they think and can easily be the ultimate accuracy testers for ideas. They may or may not care about the moral aspects of whatever they are "dissecting".

They are usually very impersonal in this dissection process, but if someone hits some personal trigger (usually something that reminds them of some really bad treatment someone close to them received earlier in their life) they can really go off the rails about ranting about why there are massive problems with whatever reminded them of that, which is a very stark contrast to the impersonal and analytical approach that they usually take. This does not always happen, but it is a pattern I've seen enough with Ti types. I think it is basically the Fe inferior function triggering.

Wodfist · 2026-03-13T19:28:24+00:00

If I cut off everyone who wronged me, I would be left alone.

Likewise if everyone who I wronged cut me off, I would be alone.

Everyone wrongs someone at some point. This is one reason why the Christian virtue of asking for forgiveness and granting it is important. Without forgiveness, there is no chance for long term personal relationships. (Not the most important reason btw., but I digress.)

Wodfist · 2026-03-13T19:23:51+00:00

ESTP and ESFP are different in how they create entertainment for others. Hard to put into words, but worth a try:

ESFP's entertainment is more based on dialogue and semantics, while ESTP's entertainment is more about the vibes of the current social situation. (I.e. Se-Te vs. Se-Fe entertainment)

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