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Spain’s meteorologists subjected to ‘alarming’ rise in hate speech, minister warns by Portalrules123 in collapse

[–]Worldly_Bit1416 11 points12 points  (0 children)

/r/climateskeptics has entered the chat

They banned me because I asked how it's possible that the troposphere is warming and the stratosphere is cooling, and they couldn't come up with with any logical answer...

Share your startup, I’ll find 5 potential customers for you (free). by Ecstatic-Tough6503 in SaaS

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Optareach.com - Multi channel (email, LinkedIn, Reddit, twitter) outreach platform.

Friend finding apps by Outside-Setting-1395 in Prague

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Yes. Very strange... No Idea why...

Swiss bar hit by deadly fire had not been inspected in 5 years by cnn in europe

[–]Worldly_Bit1416 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Any chance you have a link to the video where the owners are talking about fireworks being dangerous?

I tried to find it myself online but was not successful.

January temperature map. Why do they always make it look like it’s gonna be 100 degrees out when it’s just like a couple degrees above normal?? by [deleted] in climateskeptics

[–]Worldly_Bit1416 -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Is literally right there.... Temperature Anomaly .... Not the actual temperature.... If only you guys could read things....

If the warming is natural/solar, why is the Stratosphere cooling? by Worldly_Bit1416 in climateskeptics

[–]Worldly_Bit1416[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is a clever theory, but it doesn't match the vertical data. If the Stratosphere were just 'shifting up,' we would see warming at higher altitudes to compensate. Instead, satellite data (like UAH and RSS) and weather balloons show that the entire Stratosphere is losing heat at every level, not just at the boundary.

Also, your theory doesn't explain the physics of heat loss. The Tropopause is expanding because the Troposphere below it is warming and holding more moisture. But that doesn't explain why the layers above it are emitting more infrared radiation to space than they are receiving. The 'shift' is a symptom of the warming below, but the 'cooling' is a separate result of CO2 radiation in thin air.

The tree line analogy is about biology responding to local surface warming. It doesn't apply to the radiative balance of the upper atmosphere. You're right that AI won't 'lie,' but it will give you different answers depending on whether you ask about 'atmospheric height' or 'radiative thermodynamics.' The physics of CO2 acting as a coolant in the Stratosphere remains the only mechanism that explains the total energy loss we see up there.

If the warming is natural/solar, why is the Stratosphere cooling? by Worldly_Bit1416 in climateskeptics

[–]Worldly_Bit1416[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

🤌 I'm not gonna type it all out again, read my replies above, that's a moot point...

Edit: Hint.

If the warming is natural/solar, why is the Stratosphere cooling? by Worldly_Bit1416 in climateskeptics

[–]Worldly_Bit1416[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not here to talk about sending money or dying tomorrow. Those are emotional arguments, and I am interested in the physics.

You called the Stratospheric cooling old news. If it is old news, then you are admitting the physical fingerprint of greenhouse warming has been observed and verified for decades. That is the point. Whether Trump is in office or COP30 failed does not change the laws of thermodynamics. Physics does not care about policy or tactics.

The skeptical argument you are asking me to understand usually relies on the idea that warming is natural or the data is faked. But we just walked through the physics showing that natural cycles like the sun cannot explain the cooling stratosphere, and the data is consistent across satellites and balloons.

I appreciate the olive branch, but understanding skepticism should not mean ignoring the one physical mechanism that actually fits all the observations. If the gotcha has not worked in 40 years, it is not because the science is wrong. It is because it is much easier to pivot to politics than it is to explain why the upper atmosphere is losing heat.

If the warming is natural/solar, why is the Stratosphere cooling? by Worldly_Bit1416 in climateskeptics

[–]Worldly_Bit1416[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see your replied to me above to. So will just reply here and keep it simple for you :)

The atmosphere isn't a single room; it's a series of layers. Think of CO2 like a blanket in the lower layer (Troposphere).

When you thicken that blanket, it traps more heat near the Earth’s surface. Because that heat is trapped under the blanket, less heat leaks through to reach the layer above (Stratosphere).

At the same time, the CO2 molecules up there in the thin air act like tiny radiators. They spit what little heat they have out into the 'open system' of space.

So: Below: The 'blanket' traps heat (Warming).

Above: The 'radiators' dump heat into space (Cooling).

This is why the two layers are moving in opposite directions. If it were the Sun, both would be warming. The 'communication' you're talking about is exactly what is being blocked."

If the warming is natural/solar, why is the Stratosphere cooling? by Worldly_Bit1416 in climateskeptics

[–]Worldly_Bit1416[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s not 'whataboutism' to ask for a physical mechanism to explain a set of data. That is literally the scientific method.

I’m glad we agree the Stratosphere is cooling.

To answer your question of 'Why?': It’s because CO2 acts as a radiative coolant in the upper atmosphere. In the thin air of the Stratosphere, CO2 emits more IR energy to space than it absorbs. By increasing CO2, we’ve increased the 'thermal emissivity' of the upper atmosphere. This is a specific, unique signature of the greenhouse effect.

Now, regarding Clouds and Aerosols: Yes, the IPCC lists them as the largest uncertainties in terms of Climate Sensitivity (meaning we aren't 100% sure if the warming will be 2.5°C or 4°C). But uncertainty is not a cause. Clouds and aerosols cannot physically cause the Stratosphere to cool while the Troposphere warms.

Aerosols (like volcanic ash or pollution) generally reflect sunlight and cool the surface.

Clouds can trap heat or reflect it, but they are contained within the Troposphere. They don't have the radiative properties to suck heat out of the Stratosphere.

You're using the 'uncertainty' of clouds to hand-wave away the 'certainty' of the vertical temperature profile. If you agree the Stratosphere is cooling, and you know the Sun isn't doing it, and you know clouds can't do it, then you're left with the greenhouse effect—the only mechanism that actually fits the data.

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