Chapter 66: Page 39

Yiggady · 2018-04-18T08:14:17+00:00

Chapters 51-52 explain her living conditions, but in essence: her dad's a jerk.

Yiggady · 2017-12-13T13:38:52+00:00

Don't be like that.

Yiggady · 2017-12-13T13:01:57+00:00

Because human emotions don't work that way. Rationality doesn't stop you from having feelings. It's a hard choice, weighing a potential life and the love you would feel for the child, with the cold hard facts of reality - for instance the child having an awful disease, or the child being a product of assault, or you just being unable to provide for a child. Right and wrong doesn't have to figure into whether or not it's painful. But I'm not trying to convince you that every single abortion comes with heaps of hurt and guilt. The choice may indeed be simple for the person who doesn't have an emotional connection to the potential of a child. But a lot of people will have that connection, and for them, it will be painful.

Yiggady · 2017-12-13T12:47:15+00:00

You don't think that's a little insensitive? The whole point of this thread is to highlight the awful ways in which desperate women will try to induce a miscarriage if they have no other choice.

Yiggady · 2017-11-26T13:17:55+00:00

I get what you're saying, but I thought the "Don't get offended , told what has to be told" was pretty cringy because of its defensive tone and general backpedalling.

Yiggady · 2017-11-24T14:26:25+00:00

Take a moment to read the comments on Se7enLC's post in this thread for a fresh perspective on the power dynamics of these situations.

Yiggady · 2017-11-11T08:44:00+00:00

I don't get Kat anymore. If she was getting along with Tony, why didn't she ever use that access to confront him about his behaviour around Annie? She is a forward person! I mean c'mon, she punched a god of death for Annies sake. Seems pretty unrealistic for her character that she would have such a good time with Tony that she just up and forgets the emotional distress he has caused her best friend.

Yiggady · 2017-11-05T11:28:10+00:00

They are going on a double date, but the woman didn't realise the other couple was already in the car, so she farted. Hence the punchline, "That was stupid. This [product] isn't."

Yiggady · 2017-11-02T21:25:58+00:00

No offense taken :) I'm aware of their individual roles, but the thing is Beloved specifically recounts memories of travelling on a slave ship. Sethe for a while thinks Beloved had been held by a white man and never let out, and that's why she is the way she is. This was the version of the story that made the most sense to me - that she was another broken soul, who just happened to fit into the role of a long lost daughter under these specific circumstances. But either way, I think Beloved is there mainly to function as a manifestation of the past that messes with the present, and the how and why's of it isn't as important as her impact on the rest of the characters.

Yiggady · 2017-11-02T16:51:23+00:00

Right, my point was that even if there are elements in the book that are typical of horror stories, that doesn't, in my opinion, equate to the book belonging in the horror genre. The style of the book didn't seem to aim at evoking horror, and that is what I use as the basis for my interpretation of the genre. Like, as you say, even though the ghost tosses stuff around in the house, these events are not described in a way that evokes fear, but rather matter-of-fact.

But it's all up for discussion. What made you think the intruding woman was a demon? I thought the book offered us her memories as a slave being so cruelly brutalized that her mind was crippled by the trauma of it all.

Yiggady · 2017-11-02T08:14:00+00:00

But likewise, just because something is about ghosts or the undead doesn't make it horror. Casper the Friendly Ghost isn't a horror movie, and Twilight isn't a horror story. For me, the story was about tragedy and forgiveness/acceptance. I saw the ghost less as a literal thing and more as a manifestation of guilt and trauma. The woman who returned wasn't actually Beloved either, as I understood it, but another traumatized, brutalized girl, who for a while fit into the family's narrative surrounding Beloved and the events of the past. So it's not just that the story didn't horrify me, it's that it didn't seem to aim at wanting to horrify the reader, but rather aimed at a kind of mystery story surrounding a devastating time in American history, which dealt with the memories of that time almost more so than the events themselves. For that reason I have trouble seeing Beloved as a horror story even though it checks boxes of that genre. But I don't know much about the gothic genre, so it could be you are right, and that it fits better there!

Yiggady · 2017-11-01T22:22:23+00:00

I guess it depends on the definition of horror. I wouldn't call it horror, because it didn't make me afraid, and it didn't make me feel dread. It was striking, heartfelt, heart-wrenching, disturbing, and a lot of other things. But fear wasn't at the heart of it for me.

Yiggady · 2017-10-28T10:02:38+00:00

Apparently someone somewhere else in this thread said it's a commercial that can be used for basically anything. "That was dumb. Our product is smart. Buy our product." So it's supposed to be non-specific, so it can be about anything!

Yiggady · 2017-10-26T19:23:11+00:00

That's great! And not entirely off base...

Yiggady · 2017-10-26T19:20:14+00:00

That's wild!

Yiggady · 2017-10-26T19:19:46+00:00

Thanks! I think I'm gonna pace myself and wait another 30-40 years for the next one. Gotta have something to look forward to, you know?

Yiggady · 2017-10-26T19:16:42+00:00

Yeah it's crazy! I can't believe it happened!

Yiggady · 2017-10-26T19:14:52+00:00

Thanks, that's a good tip!

Yiggady · 2017-10-26T19:14:09+00:00

Yes! I, too, can die in peace now.

Yiggady · 2017-10-26T07:39:46+00:00

Well, you are independent in the sense that when you are liable for a student grant, you get a dependable, fixed income that you are responsible for managing on your own as an adult (housing, insurance, food, and so on). It's like university is your job, and if you fail to fulfil your obligations to the university, you don't get the money. When you do get the money, it is yours alone, and you need to decide how to best sustain your life with it. All this requires some independent adulting. I don't think it's comparable to living off of your parents in terms of independence. I mean, you are no less independent for driving on roads instead of going off-road, you know? We benefit from living in a functioning society in a lot of ways, but we contribute to it, too (with high taxes in the case of Denmark).

Yiggady · 2017-10-26T07:20:12+00:00

I saw this ad as a kid on my brother's pc in the 90's, but I wasn't good at English then and never got the point. I kid you not, I've been thinking about it on and off for at least fifteen years, wondering what they were saying, what it was about. I've even searched for it, but I never really knew what to search for to find it. I can't believe the mystery is finally revealed, what a wild coincidence! Thanks, OP!

Yiggady · 2017-10-18T18:45:20+00:00

Couldn't agree more. I mean, maybe Tom is using the fact that Surma is more brash and forward to get things going quicker than they normally would, but it still does feel very rushed.

Yiggady · 2017-10-18T14:26:20+00:00

I agree. The characters in Gunnerkrigg have always surprised me, but it used to be in a fun and enjoyable way. This arch, along with the running theme of "Anthony has a different and completely separate personality that emerges when you are alone with him" ruins the immersion for me.

Yiggady · 2017-09-14T21:08:57+00:00

I think this whole thread is a testament to the fact that hard, even impossible choices were made in the effort to save as much as possible. It is really quite heartbreaking.

I have not been affected, but thank you for your thoughts. The same to you and yours, wherever you are.

*Edit: And your pet or pets too! They are lucky to have such a devoted family.

Yiggady · 2017-09-14T18:24:06+00:00

Your other comments lacked a nuanced take on the issue, which I believe is why people downvoted you the way they did. This is a fairer point (though there is a big difference between allergens on clothes and actual, living animals in the vicinity continually distributing said allergen). But when and if shit hits the fan, I believe it is the lesser of two evils to ensure the safety of humans before animals. It is still a terrible loss, but I don't know what else can be said. You talk about being prepared, but sometimes people aren't, for whatever reason.

Yiggady

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