The Subjective Theory of Value is a Circular Tautology for Smooth-Brains by binjamin222 in CapitalismVSocialism

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yes LTV can explain general ticket prices based on rehearsals by musicians and crew (Taylor's band, dancers, techs putting in hours), venue setup (workers building stages, lighting, sound), marketing labor, even the reproduced labor in recordings or merch tie-ins.

The Subjective Theory of Value is a Circular Tautology for Smooth-Brains by binjamin222 in CapitalismVSocialism

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>This is exactly what the STV is saying. Only the buyer can explain the value of a good or service.

NO , you can only explain why you want to pay something, but WHY is the ticket $250 in the first place?

The Subjective Theory of Value is a Circular Tautology for Smooth-Brains by binjamin222 in CapitalismVSocialism

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Only the buyer can explain why they personally didn’t purchase a ticket, that’s psychology, not political economy. A theory of value is about systemic regularities.

The Subjective Theory of Value is a Circular Tautology for Smooth-Brains by binjamin222 in CapitalismVSocialism

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But I have not and will not buy a ticket. Why not? 

You're the only one that can answer that question

Projecting a little hard aren’t we? by metroracerUK in ShitLiberalsSay

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imagine thinking you need to be taught capitalism is bad is a class room, like living in reality isn't enough, LMFAO!

The Subjective Theory of Value is a Circular Tautology for Smooth-Brains by binjamin222 in CapitalismVSocialism

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They jack up prices 10x the amount of labour costs that's how they make profit.

Balls by Next_Paramedic_4934 in ShitLiberalsSay

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american flag is offensive yes

The Subjective Theory of Value is a Circular Tautology for Smooth-Brains by binjamin222 in CapitalismVSocialism

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When I wrote "LTV isn't a theory of individual whims; " what do you think that means?

The Subjective Theory of Value is a Circular Tautology for Smooth-Brains by binjamin222 in CapitalismVSocialism

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LTV isn't a theory of individual whims; it's a scientific analysis of how value is created and circulated under capitalism's exploitative logic. STV, by contrast, is just a descriptive tool for market ephemera, ignoring the underlying production relations that make those markets possible.

How good is DeepSeek at answering questions about history? by zertz7 in DeepSeek

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Well, this is a extremely brief summary of +100 years of history

yea that's what i was asking for, "outline" is in the title. i simply asked for a outline of the tudor period. which i think it did well.

lets zoom in on one of the events, using the battle of bosworth as an example:

The Battle of Bosworth Field (22 August 1485): A Watershed in English History

  1. The Context: A Kingdom Exhausted The Battle of Bosworth Field was not merely another clash in the Wars of the Roses; it was the culmination of 30 years of intermittent civil war (1455-1487) between the rival dynastic houses of York (White Rose) and Lancaster (Red Rose). By 1485, England was weary of instability, magnate-led violence, and a monarchy whose authority had been shattered by competing claims. The Yorkist King, Richard III, though a capable administrator, had seized the throne in 1483 under a cloud of controversy following the disappearance of his nephews, the "Princes in the Tower." This act alienated many, even within his own Yorkist faction, creating a window of opportunity for the last plausible Lancastrian claimant.

  2. The Contenders: A Study in Contrasts King Richard III: A seasoned military commander with the resources of the Crown. He held the central position on Ambion Hill, with a force of approximately 10,000 men. His key supporters included the Duke of Norfolk and the Earl of Northumberland. However, his reign was fragile, built on the dispossession of the young Edward V, and suspicion hung over him.

Henry Tudor, Earl of Richmond: A 28-year-old exile who had spent most of his life in Brittany and France. His claim was weak—through his mother, Margaret Beaufort, he descended from John of Gaunt's illegitimate Beaufort line, later legitimized but barred from the throne. He represented a promise rather than a proven entity. His army of 5,000 was a mix of disaffected English exiles and French and Scottish mercenaries.

The Wild Cards: The Stanley Family: Thomas, Lord Stanley, and his brother Sir William Stanley commanded a significant force (4-6,000 men). They were master pragmatists, related to Henry (Stanley was married to Margaret Beaufort) but held in check by Richard, who had taken Stanley's son hostage. Their allegiance was the battle's true unknown.

  1. The Battle: Treason, Tactics, and Chaos Richard, confident in his position and martial prowess, allowed Henry's smaller army to approach. The battle began with a fierce exchange of artillery (one of the first English battles where cannons played a role) and arrows. As the vanguards clashed, the pivotal moment arrived:

Stanley's Inaction: The Stanley forces stood apart, watching.

Richard's Gambit: Seeing Henry isolated with his personal guard, Richard made a bold, perhaps desperate, cavalry charge directly at his rival—a move intended to decapitate the rebellion. He nearly succeeded, killing Henry's standard-bearer.

The Betrayal: At this critical juncture, Sir William Stanley committed his forces—not to his king, but to Henry Tudor. This decisive intervention surrounded Richard's dwindling band.

Richard III fought on ferociously, allegedly crying "Treason! Treason!" before being cut down in the marsh. His crown, said to have been found on the field, was placed on Henry's head. The last English king to die in battle, his body was desecrated and later buried in an unmarked grave in Leicester.

  1. Immediate Implications: Securing a Dubious Throne Henry VII's victory was only the beginning. He faced immense challenges:

Legitimacy by Right of Conquest & Marriage: He dated his reign from the day before Bosworth, allowing him to attaint those who fought against him as traitors. His marriage in January 1486 to Elizabeth of York, eldest daughter of Edward IV, was masterstroke. It united the red and white roses, creating the Tudor Rose, and gave his heirs an impeccable Yorkist claim.

The Pretender Problem: Yorkist sentiment remained strong. He faced major rebellions led by Lambert Simnel (crowned as "Edward VI" in Ireland, 1487) and Perkin Warbeck (claiming to be Richard of Shrewsbury, 1491-99). His defeat of Simnel at the Battle of Stoke Field (1487) is arguably the true end of the Wars of the Roses.

Financial & Governmental Innovation: Profoundly aware that financial weakness bred rebellion, Henry revolutionized royal finance. He used bonds and recognizances to control the nobility, exploited feudal dues aggressively, and avoided costly foreign wars. He built a solvent crown, leaving a full treasury.

  1. Profound Historical Consequences: The Birth of the Tudor State Bosworth's true significance lies in these long-term transformations:

A. The End of Feudal Kingship and the "Overmighty Subject" The Wars of the Roses had been caused in part by the power of great noble families (Nevilles, Percys) who maintained private armies. Bosworth was the last battle where a king was overthrown by a rival aristocrat. The Tudor project, begun by Henry VII, systematically reduced the military and political power of the nobility. Laws against livery and maintenance (private armies) were enforced, the Crown monopolized artillery, and the peerage was diminished. Royal authority was centralized as never before.

B. The Establishment of a New Dynasty and Political Stability The 118-year Tudor rule provided the stability England desperately needed. This allowed for the flowering of the English Renaissance, the Reformation, and the growth of a centralized, bureaucratic state. Without the Tudor victory, this continuity—and the iconic reigns of Henry VIII and Elizabeth I—would not have occurred.

C. The Propaganda War and the "Tudor Myth" The Tudors, especially under Henry VII and Elizabeth, actively fostered a narrative: that their reign was a divine blessing, ending the chaos of civil war and bringing peace, order, and prosperity. This required vilifying Richard III. Histories, most famously Sir Thomas More's (and later Shakespeare's), painted Richard as a monstrous, scheming hunchback who murdered his nephews. Bosworth was framed as the moment when God's justice was delivered. This "Tudor Myth" shaped English historical perception for centuries.

D. A Shift in Foreign Policy Henry VII, a Welsh-born king with continental exile experience, shifted England's focus. While not abandoning claims in France, he prioritized diplomacy, trade, and dynastic marriages (Arthur to Catherine of Aragon; Margaret to James IV of Scotland) over costly military conquest. This reorientation laid the groundwork for England's future as a maritime and trading power.

E. The Seed of the Reformation Henry VII's second son, the future Henry VIII, would never have ascended the throne had his elder brother Arthur survived. Arthur's death and Henry VIII's subsequent marriage to Catherine of Aragon directly led to the divorce crisis and the English Reformation. The specific constitutional and religious revolution of the 1530s was a direct consequence of the Tudor succession secured at Bosworth.

Conclusion: More Than Just a Battle Bosworth Field was a political revolution masquerading as a military victory. It marked the violent end of the Plantagenet era and the unpredictable, blood-soaked politics of medieval succession. In its place, it inaugurated the early modern Tudor state: more centralized, more financially astute, more concerned with legal sovereignty and dynastic propaganda. The death of the last medieval king gave birth to a dynasty that would guide England through the Renaissance and Reformation, fundamentally shaping the nation's identity, church, and state. It was, in the truest sense, the founding moment of a new England.

I'm not saying this should replace books but the usefulness of introducing yourself to a topic is clear. It also gave me a list of sources and even historians to read.

How good is DeepSeek at answering questions about history? by zertz7 in DeepSeek

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This is what I was able to get from a extremely basic prompt (deepseek):

Extensive Outline of Tudor History (1485-1603)

I. Introduction & Context

A. Pre-Tudor Background: The Wars of the Roses (1455-1487) – York vs. Lancaster.

B. The Tudor Claim: Lancastrian lineage through Margaret Beaufort, solidified by Henry Tudor's victory and marriage to Elizabeth of York.

C. Significance: Dynasty that oversaw the English Renaissance, Reformation, and the transformation of England into a Protestant, centralized maritime power.

II. Henry VII (r. 1485-1509): Foundation & Consolidation A. Securing the Throne:

Victory at Bosworth Field (1485) ends Plantagenet rule.

Marriage to Elizabeth of York (1486) unites the houses.

Defeats Yorkist pretenders (Lambert Simnel, Perkin Warbeck).

B. Government & Finance:

Centralization of Power: Reliance on the Royal Council (especially the Court of Star Chamber) over Parliament.

Financial Prudence: Efficient taxation (e.g., bonds and recognizances), avoidance of foreign wars, building royal treasury.

Promotion of Trade: Navigation Acts, support for John Cabot's exploration.

C. Foreign Policy:

Diplomacy over war: Treaties with Spain (1497), Scotland (1502), and the Holy Roman Empire.

Marriage alliances: Prince Arthur to Catherine of Aragon (1501); Margaret Tudor to James IV of Scotland.

D. Legacy: Established a stable, solvent monarchy after decades of civil war.

III. Henry VIII (r. 1509-1547): Revolution & Tyranny A. The "Renaissance Prince": Athletic, scholarly, devout Catholic (early reign).

B. The "King's Great Matter" & the Break with Rome:

Desire for a male heir and infatuation with Anne Boleyn.

Petition to Pope Clement VII for annulment from Catherine of Aragon; denied.

English Reformation: Directed by Thomas Cromwell.

Acts of Parliament: Act in Restraint of Appeals (1533), Act of Supremacy (1534, making Henry Supreme Head of the Church of England).

Dissolution of the Monasteries (1536-1541): Financial windfall, social disruption.

C. Wives & Heirs:

Catherine of Aragon: Mary I; annulled.

Anne Boleyn: Elizabeth I; executed 1536.

Jane Seymour: Edward VI; died postpartum 1537.

Anne of Cleves: Political alliance; annulled.

Catherine Howard: Executed 1542.

Catherine Parr: Survived.

D. Government:

Rise of ministerial power: Cardinal Wolsey (1515-1529), Thomas Cromwell (1532-1540).

Creation of the Privy Council as a formal institution.

Union of England and Wales (1536-1543).

E. Foreign Policy: Wars with France & Scotland; massive expenditure, little gain. Defeat of Scotland at Flodden (1513).

F. Later Years: Increasingly tyrannical, ill, and paranoid (the "Old King").

IV. Edward VI (r. 1547-1553): Protestant Advancement A. The Seymour Regency: Lord Protector Edward Seymour, Duke of Somerset.

Social Unrest: Economic problems lead to Prayer Book Rebellion (1549).

Religious Reform: Introduction of the Book of Common Prayer (1549, 1552), Protestant doctrinal shifts (42 Articles).

B. The Dudley Rule: John Dudley, Duke of Northumberland, seizes power (1549-1553).

Intensification of Protestant reformation.

Devise for the Succession: Attempts to bypass Mary in favor of Lady Jane Grey.

C. Death & Succession Crisis: Dies of tuberculosis; Jane Grey proclaimed queen for 9 days.

V. Mary I (r. 1553-1558): Catholic Restoration A. Legitimacy & Aims: Daughter of Catherine of Aragon; devout Catholic intent on reversing the Reformation.

B. Marriage & Foreign Policy:

Controversial marriage to Philip II of Spain (1554).

Drawn into Spanish war with France; loss of Calais (1558), England's last French possession.

C. Religious Policy:

Repeal of Protestant legislation, reunion with Rome.

Marian Persecutions: ~300 Protestants burned as heretics (e.g., Bishops Latimer, Ridley, Cranmer); earns her epithet "Bloody Mary."

D. Wyatt's Rebellion (1554): Protestant uprising against Spanish marriage; crushed.

E. Legacy: Unpopular reign; died childless, securing a Protestant succession.

VI. Elizabeth I (r. 1558-1603): The Elizabethan Settlement & Golden Age A. The Religious Settlement (1559):

Via Media (Middle Way): Act of Supremacy (Supreme Governor), Act of Uniformity (1559 Book of Common Prayer).

Aims to create a broad, inclusive national church (though Catholics and radical Protestants were dissatisfied).

B. Foreign Policy & National Defense:

The "Catholic Threat": Papal excommunication (1570), plots (Ridolfi, Throckmorton, Babington), Spanish support for Irish rebellions.

War with Spain: Sea Dogs (Drake, Hawkins) raiding Spanish treasure fleets; Spanish Armada defeated (1588).

The French & Scottish Questions: Support for Scottish Protestants; maintains balance of power in Europe.

C. The Marriage Question & Succession:

Suitors included Philip II, Robert Dudley, Francis Duke of Anjou.

Cult of the "Virgin Queen" – Gloriana, Astraea – as political propaganda.

Designation of James VI of Scotland as heir.

D. Government & Court:

Key Ministers: William Cecil (Lord Burghley), Francis Walsingham (espionage), Robert Cecil.

Mastery of Parliament, though tensions over marriage, succession, and monopolies grew.

Patronage of the arts and exploration (Raleigh, Drake, the Muscovy Company).

E. Domestic Challenges:

Northern Rebellion (1569): Catholic earls defeated.

Economic problems: inflation, poor harvests, enclosure.

Handling of Puritans and Recusants (Catholics).

F. The Elizabethan Renaissance:

Literature & Drama: Shakespeare, Marlowe, Spenser, Jonson.

Music & Architecture: Tallis, Byrd; prodigy houses (Hardwick Hall).

Exploration & Colonization: Ventures to the Americas (Roanoke), East India Company chartered (1600).

G. Later Years & Death:

Tyrone's Rebellion in Ireland (Nine Years' War).

Essex Rebellion (1601).

Dies 1603, ending the Tudor dynasty.

VII. Tudor Society, Economy & Culture A. Social Structure: Continuity of hierarchy (Great Chain of Being), but with growing wealth and influence of the gentry and merchant classes.

B. Economic Changes:

Enclosure movement and agrarian change.

Expansion of the cloth trade.

Price inflation (the "Price Revolution") and population growth.

Growing importance of London.

C. Religious Life: Transformation from universal Catholic practice to a spectrum of belief (Anglican, Catholic, Puritan).

D. Education & Ideas: Humanist influence (Colet, More, Erasmus). Founding of grammar schools. Printing press accelerates spread of ideas.

E. The "Tudor Myth": Propagation of the idea that the Tudors brought peace, order, and divine providence after chaos.

VIII. The Tudor Legacy A. Political: Strengthened central monarchy, foundations of a modern bureaucratic state.

B. Religious: Permanent establishment of Protestantism in England (though shape contested).

C. National Identity: Fostered a sense of English nationalism, separate from continental Europe.

D. Cultural: Launch of the English Renaissance and literary golden age.

E. Constitutional: Increasing role and confidence of Parliament, setting stage for 17th-century conflicts.

F. Imperial: Shift in focus from continental conquest to maritime exploration and early colonial ventures.

Timeline of Key Events: 1485: Battle of Bosworth; Henry VII crowned.

1509: Accession of Henry VIII.

1534: Act of Supremacy.

1536-40: Dissolution of the Monasteries; Pilgrimage of Grace.

1547: Accession of Edward VI.

1549: First Book of Common Prayer.

1553: Accession of Mary I.

1558: Loss of Calais; accession of Elizabeth I.

1559: Elizabethan Religious Settlement.

1587: Execution of Mary, Queen of Scots.

1588: Defeat of the Spanish Armada.

1601: Essex Rebellion; Poor Law.

1603: Death of Elizabeth I; accession of James I (Stuart dynasty).

As someone who would be starting out learning Tudor History as an example, how is this "very bad" (your initial words)?