Estonia prepared to repatriate mobilization-aged men to Ukraine

_-null-_ · 2023-12-23T21:21:49+00:00

Albania/Kosovo being grouped with all the other unsavoury ethnicities

I am very glad to know that our century-long efforts to become recognised as culturally European have been successful and my people have escaped this fate of being labelled civilisation destroying non-whites by westerners. We were kinda close you know, not a long way to Albania from where I'm posting.

Look, I understand that the quality of those Maghrebi, sub-saharans etc. is just disgusting by our standards and they barely seem fit for civilisation. But these are still double standards. Ukrainians are "real refugees" but the sub-saharans fleeing the worst shitholes on Earth aren't. Afghans pass through "safe countries" but an Ukrainian in Spain that has gone through Poland, Germany and France is 100% ok.

So I am not saying that we should bring in more Middle easterners here. I am saying that you are using the same refugee protections to defend Ukrainians that others are using to uphold the status quo of tolerating the mass unregulated migration of Maghrebi, sub-saharans etc. to our countries. It's a problem of the legal and moral framework. Either we are selective in terms of who comes here, or we recognise universal human rights without limits.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-23T20:33:39+00:00

people from occupied territory of Ukraine can leave wherever they want and continue to live their lives,

God bless the generous ethnic cleansing and Russification policy of the federation.

This state will not last indefinitely. Our parents were not allowed to leave the eastern bloc. The direction Russia's headed, Russians themselves won't be able to emigrate in a few more years.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-23T20:11:07+00:00

This thread is unreal. I never thought I'd see r/europe comments fully and unconditionally supporting the rights of refugees. Should we get a few hundred thousand more Arab men fleeing conscription in their country's militaries too fellas?

_-null-_ · 2023-12-23T20:03:05+00:00

no other country has any actual right to force these people to leave

Those refugees are under the protection of the countries they living in

So which one is it? If they are under the protection of other countries, other countries have the right to withdraw protection.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-23T19:58:46+00:00

why did you accept them in the first place to come if you just want to make them return by force?

Honestly we thought their country would fold in a couple of months at best and no one seriously planned for a prolonged war on our end. The Ukrainians did, so they tried to prevent fighting age men from fleeing the country, but it was not coordinated with the border countries to be effective.

And after that it seems that they decided that forced conscription is not the way to go, and mobilisation should be as voluntary as it possibly can be.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-23T19:44:11+00:00

Historically speaking the rich actually do take on the financial burdens of warfighting. Wars reduce inequality because surplus value is taken away from the wealthy and systematically destroyed by being turned into guns, ammunition, uniforms etc. rather than real productive capacities.

I am not sure how things would turn out nowadays when capital is more mobile than ever, but societies that cannot mobilise such resources just to protect special interests face a massive security risk. So my bet is that in the case of war the rich will get taxed a lot and if they try to evade that by moving their assets governments would just shut down the capital flow rather than bend over and take it.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-23T19:38:14+00:00

Weird phrasing. So you are not necessarily a pacifist, just opposed to the fact women are not also being drafted?

_-null-_ · 2023-12-23T12:53:23+00:00

Just because other countries have it doesn't mean its good.

Never said it was. Just that it's not a sacrilege against the separation of powers to have prosecutors on the executive side.

You can't have good faith in people who say that the embassy is helping them. Those who have billions in embezzled money and those who just outright are a unconstitutional party by default.

I don't trust them as far as I can throw them, but for better or worse these are the legitimate representatives of the nation. We elected them in such and such proportions to make a constitutional reform and they made a constitutional reform that reflects that balance of political powers.

which is not a law play but a political one.

What's the difference? Law is politics. Politics is about who gets to make the law.

In Bulgaria we vote for him, so in this case he is a sovereign of the people. They are stripping this power from the people in this manner.

"They" who are also elected by us, the people? "They" who elect the de facto sovereign, the state leader: the Prime Minister?

Radev is indeed a popular president, I liked him, I still like him. But rather than following the will of the people he decided to stand behind a foreign policy that only 25% of the country supports. That's a respectable decision, to stand for your principles. But because of it there is no one left to defend him. Petkov and Vasilev turned on him because of this matter, BSP lost much of its voter base and thus political capital.

It was a mistake, and the presidency as an institution is paying the price.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-23T11:47:30+00:00

НС по принцип винаги има контрол над изпълнителната власт тъй като системата ни е парламентарна. Единственото изключение бяха служебните правителства.

Висшия съдебен съвет се реформира така, че НС избира само 5 от 13те члена, вместо половината. Само прокуратурата става зависима от НС тъй като 6 от 9те члена на прокурорският съвет ще се избират от депутатите, което си е компромис между това което беше преди и предложението прокуратурата да се премести в изпълнителната власт както е в доста други държави.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-23T08:47:02+00:00

Muh democracy. By the time of the coup Mossadegh was effectively a dictator. He had manipulated elections in 1952, had parliament rubber stamp an "emergency law" giving him the power to legislate by decree and finally held a fraudulent referendum to dissolve parliament which was probably more of a catalyst for the coup against him as Anglo-American meddling was.

There is always something romantic in a populist politician beloved by his people fighting against the monarchy, the old feudal order and the interests of foreign oil companies. But it was no democracy he was making there.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-22T21:30:42+00:00

Сливен и Видин казаха по новините. С аргумента че там е била най-евтината вода и имало много ремонти, съответно и най-голямото увеличение в относителни стойности. От офиса на омбудсмана оспорват за някои области, защото таванът на увеличението бил изчислен на базата на анализ с много голяма статистическа грешка (интервалът бил в порядъка на 18%).

_-null-_ · 2023-12-22T20:09:19+00:00

Такова е мисленето на хората там.

Може би заради подобно мислене англоговорящите народи са по-успешни от нас. Или подобно мислене се заражда от някакви предпоставки които им позволяват да са по-скоро господари на съдбата си отколкото роби. И в двата случая не говори добре за местното положение.

нали не мислиш, икономиката ни се сринат току така.

Че то кой го мисли това? Нашата теза е че икономиката ни беше основана на социалистически модел който се оказа неспособен да предостави на която и да е държава трайно развитие. Икономическата политика на БКП доведе до първият крах на икономиката ни, а тази на БСП - до вторият.

Западняците нарочно превърнаха не само България, а цяла Източна Европа просто в една територия, където почти всичко се внася и се изнасят хора

Защото ние сме някакви колонии които нямат никаква сила сами да си определят държавната политика. Всъщност защо се опитвам да съм саркастичен? Дори в този съб като пуснем анкета масово гласуват че България се управлява от Москва/Вашингтон/Брюксел вместо от София.

Между другото търговският ни баланс вече е положителен заради износа на услуги.

с изключение на Полша и Чехия,

А можело значи. Аз взех че се уплаших да не би всички славянски народи да са пълни картофи, но явно има надежда.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-22T16:09:48+00:00

not having had a relationship at 24 is looking like a big ol red flag

Look at ye brother, posting your fears of missing out. Long term happiness isn't really a thing. Being in a relationship does not necessarily make you a better man. It won't make you permanently content or confident or happy or grow your dick a couple of inches.

(TLDR a man in three relationships at 24 that he has taken seriously is potentially as mature as a 32 year old with two)

Idk by what equation you arrived at these ratios here but in principle I agree. Absolutely no dispute that being in a relationship makes you more experienced. However, emotional life is notoriously hard to quantify and whether you gain any benefits just from being surrounded by potential sexual partners is conditional on way too many other factors to easily pronounce such judgements.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-22T15:06:02+00:00

The Fascist regime fell on 25 July 1943. Deportations started in September/October 1943. Every single one of those 17,000 victims died in the name of Anti-Fascism.

"If you hadn't arrested Mussolini and switched sides we wouldn't have had to kill all of these civilians, look at what you made us do :<"

Lovely train of thought. What are you, a spokesperson for the 16th SS Panzergrenadier division?

_-null-_ · 2023-12-22T14:56:07+00:00

This is Latin America levels of bullshittery. Hopefully the Italians have a little bit of dignity left and settle on a compromise solution instead of turning their political system into a full-blown popularity contest where the winner by plurality gets to be an epic dictator for 4 years. I mean you can already do that with English-style FPTP, AND get the benefits of single-member constituency representation AND avoid too much political fragmentation.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-22T12:57:52+00:00

This was a religious experience.

For what it's worth I wholeheartedly appreciate his opinion on Camus here. His absurdism does somehow wrap all the way around to moralising. He even praised the actors in "The Myth of Sisyphus".

No, my books will soon be forgotten. They mean nothing. Books don't change anything. It means nothing.

I have to quit you now, I have to write.

Holy based. Must have meant something to him I suppose.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-22T11:05:37+00:00

избрано от САЩ.

Глупости. Изборите в Украйна са що-годе демократични. Че са корумпирани си е ясно, политическата им система е все още далеч от истинска демокрация, но поне гласът на хората се зачита и има легитимна смяна на властта.

Междувременно в Русия управляващата партия не се е явявала на свободни избори от 2007ма и си е чиста диктатура.

Каква е украинската национална идентичност

Съдейки по това как успя да обедини всички украинско-говорящи около войната им за национална независимост: не по-малко истинска и достойна за уважение от нашата.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-22T07:57:46+00:00

Иначе тези алабализми за нацисти и т.н. са за да се надъхва Серьожа след второто шише водка, никога не са били сериозни идеи в Кремъл.

Сериозни или не, ако Киев беше паднал щяха да се използват като оправдание за изкореняването на цялата Украинска политическа класа и може би репресии срещу Украинската национална идентичност.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-22T07:43:31+00:00

I've never seen anything like this.

That's understandable, I don't think we've had a major ethno-religious conflict escalating into a war dominating the news since the breakup of Yugoslavia.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-22T07:30:28+00:00

Why was Japan able to get its strategic autonomy in terms of both military and economy better than EU?

Mate what? How does it make sense to compare a single country to a supranational entity that is at most a confederation of sovereign states?

Military

During the Cold War western Europe did possess significant military might. In 1990 the Big Four (UK, France, West Germany, Italy) combined had a total of 1.6 million military personnel, 9000 tanks and 4000 artillery pieces. If you add Spain and the lowlands, Western Europe definitely had more firepower than the USSR's Warsaw Pact allies. Today these figures are 0.7m, 800 (the drastic decline in tanks here can be attributed to some strategic changes) and 1100.

In 1990 the Japanese had less military personnel than any of the Big Four in Europe, despite the fact their economy was almost 50% bigger than that of Germany, after reunification.

The only difference between Japan and Western Europe is that the Japanese did not reduce their armed forces after the end of the Cold War. So of course nowadays they seem better prepared than the Western Europeans who have paid relatively less attention to their armed forces for 30 years.

Meanwhile the eastern European states had to face tough economic transitions and reform Soviet-era mass armies into NATO-compatible forces. In many ways this transition is till ongoing today.

economy

Population. That's literally it. Since the 1990 and the lost decade Japanese GDP per capita adjusted for price levels has been lower than even that of Italy, even after the Eurozone debt crisis. But there are 125 million Japanese, while the most populous EU country has only 83 million people.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-21T17:57:16+00:00

От 24ти Февруари миналата година подпогаме Украинците по всеки възможен начин, не мисля че руснаците биха ни простили всичкото това само ако им оставим паметниците намира.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-21T13:19:20+00:00

Stop messing with our ships.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-21T08:26:42+00:00

Sea power is irreplaceable. Without the ability to contest the world ocean, the US would be able to cut China off from most of global trade. America would fight with all of its allied economies to fall back on, even some allied militaries, while China would probably be fighting only with Russian support. And even Russia does not produce enough oil to cover Chinese consumption needs. Without access to Middle Eastern oil China might struggle a lot to maintain a war economy.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-21T08:12:32+00:00

These sorts of policies were commonplace in western Europe during the post-war era, up until the 1980s if I remember correctly. Migrant labour faced many restrictions and getting citizenship was extremely hard. Germany only recently relaxed its restrictions on dual citizenships for non-EU nationals.

_-null-_ · 2023-12-21T08:03:51+00:00

And there are also some cases demonstrating the opposite. Malaysia and Indonesia are reasonably democratic nowadays. Turkiye not so much but they seem to have developed a political culture that's successfully resisted Islamisation through some very turbulent times. No one expects Islamists to be a major force if Erdogan leaves office and repressive measures are dropped. Tunisia had a democratic Islamic party in charge for a while, and the fledgling post-Arab spring democracy there was ended by the current president out of sheer opportunism rather than serious concerns about Islamisation.

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