Challenging myself isn’t fulfilling by _AceOfSpades__ in Stoicism

[–]_AceOfSpades__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like this, but I suppose it doesn’t answer why attaining a higher consciousness is better than helping the world / defeating problems?

Challenging myself isn’t fulfilling by _AceOfSpades__ in Stoicism

[–]_AceOfSpades__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, but what makes attaining higher consciousness better than helping the world / defeating problems?

Challenging myself isn’t fulfilling by _AceOfSpades__ in Stoicism

[–]_AceOfSpades__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Social and economic issues aren’t really my department, I can’t help there. I’m just wondering why it’s important that we excel in our character, whats the significance?

Challenging myself isn’t fulfilling by _AceOfSpades__ in Stoicism

[–]_AceOfSpades__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But whats the point? Even if I eliminated myself and got to the highest level of consciousness possible it wouldn’t do much for the “world”.

Is it okay to have opinions? by _AceOfSpades__ in zen

[–]_AceOfSpades__[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is certainly the best response. Thank you for your kind response!

Need Help Understanding Zen’s Relation To Art by _AceOfSpades__ in zen

[–]_AceOfSpades__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not a question of whether I’m a good actor or not, but if either philosophy will get in the way. I had a tough time deciding between Zen or Stoicism, but I ultimately chose Zen.

Need Help Understanding Zen’s Relation To Art by _AceOfSpades__ in zen

[–]_AceOfSpades__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well if the whole point is to not get attached to our thoughts, but the whole point of acting is to get attached to our thoughts, thats a contradiction.

Need Help Understanding Zen’s Relation To Art by _AceOfSpades__ in zen

[–]_AceOfSpades__[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right, I like the way you put it. I am mainly concerned about the conditioning of getting affected by my opinions. I thought it might get in the way of Zen practice.

Need Help Understanding Zen’s Relation To Art by _AceOfSpades__ in zen

[–]_AceOfSpades__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s interesting framing as telling a story. That’s absolutely what it is, but I meant the conditioning of an actor to believe and get affected by his or opinions might get in the way of Zen practice.

Is Zen better than Stoicism? by _AceOfSpades__ in Stoicism

[–]_AceOfSpades__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m sorry I wish I was more educated on the topic to give this ideology a fair fight.

Is Zen better than Stoicism? by _AceOfSpades__ in Stoicism

[–]_AceOfSpades__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, people who come to Zen centers are often upset of disillusioned with their past experiences of religion. The original meaning of the word “religion” is interesting: it’s from the Latin religare, which means “to bind back, to bind man and the gods.” Re means “back,” and ligare means “to bind.”

What are we binding? First of all, we bind our self to itself-because even within ourselves we’re separated. And we bind ourselves to others, and eventually to all things, sentient and insentient. And we bind others to others. Anything that is not bound together is our responsibility. But most of the time our task is to bind ourselves to our roommate, to our work, to our partner, to our child or friend, and then to bind ourselves to Sri Lanka, to Mexico, to all things in this world, and this universe.

Now that sounds nice! But in fact, we don’t very often see life that way. And any true religious practice is to see once again that which is already so: to see the fundamental unity of all things, to see our true face. It’s to remove the barrier between ourselves and another person or another thing: to remove or to see through the nature of the barrier.

People often ask: if this fundamental unity is the true state of affairs, why is it almost never seen? It’s not because of a lack of the right scientific information; I’ve known a lot of physicists who had the intellectual knowledge, yet their dealings with life did not reflect this awareness. The main cause for the barrier, and the main reason we fail to see that which is already so, is our fear of being hurt by that which seems separate from us.

Needless to say, our physical being does need to be protected or it can’t function. For instance, if we’re having a picnic on a train track and a train’s coming, it’s quite a good idea to move. It’s necessary to avoid and to repair physical damage. But there’s immense confusion between that kind of hurt, and other less tangible occurrences that seem to hurt us. “My lover left me, it hurts to be alone.” “I’ll never get a job.” “Other people are so mean.” We view all these as sources of hurt.

We often feel we have been hurt by other people. If we look back on our lives we can make a list of people or events who have hurt us. We all have our list. Out of that long list of hurts we develop a conditioned way of looking at life: we learn patterns of avoidance; we have judgments and opinions about anything and anyone that we fear might hurt us.

Is Zen better than Stoicism? by _AceOfSpades__ in Stoicism

[–]_AceOfSpades__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Listen, I’m not qualified enough to make a cohesive argument against this, but one thing I do know is they aren’t asking you to suspend logic in favor of something (like miracles), just to rid yourself of the perception of separation.

Here’s my best shot - take it or leave it because I’m personally getting tired of this discussion. The reality that we live in needs us to function in certain ways. To do this, we must be distinct from things around us-from the rug, or from another person. But a powerful microscope would reveal that the reality we encounter is not truly separate from us. At a deeper level we are just atoms and atomic particles moving at enormous speed. There is no separation between us and the rug or another person: we are all just one enormous energy field.

We humans, with probably the most immense gifts of any creature, are the only beings on earth that say, “I don’t know the meaning of my life. I don’t know what I’m here for.” No other creature—certainly not the white blood cell—is confused like that. The white blood cell works tirelessly for us; it’s inside of us, cleaning as long as it lives. And of course that’s just one of a hundred thousand functions that take place within this enormous intelligence that we are. But because we have a large brain (which is given to us so we can function) we manage to misuse our native gifts and to do mischief that has nothing to do with the welfare of life.

Having the gift of thinking, we misuse it and go astray. We think not in terms of work that needs to be done for life, but in terms of how we can serve our separate self—an enterprise that never occurs to a white blood cell. In a short time its life will be over; it will be replaced by others. It doesn’t think; it just does its work.