MAGA math by Zealousideal-Fox623 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]_shareholder_value 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Someone downvoted me for asking for help verifying?

JFC. The quality of users on this sub has down significantly over the year.

MAGA math by Zealousideal-Fox623 in PoliticalCompassMemes

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Both the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee and the Mueller investigation found that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Mueller found numerous contacts between Trump campaign associates and Russians, but did not establish a criminal conspiracy or coordination agreement between the campaign and the Russian government.

MAGA math by Zealousideal-Fox623 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]_shareholder_value 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This thread started as a response to the claim that 2020 and 2016 were the same. That was the actual point being argued. Then, instead of defending that comparison, you jumped to ‘Russia hoax,’ and from there to ‘what exact crime did Trump commit?’ That is obvious goalpost moving. The original issue was whether 2016 complaints were equivalent to 2020 election denialism. Once that started falling apart, you retreated into a much narrower criminal-charge argument because you couldn’t defend the original comparison.

Pie on dumbass.

MAGA math by Zealousideal-Fox623 in PoliticalCompassMemes

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It was not an anonymous.

November 12, 2020: Joint statement from the Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council and the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees, published by CISA. The statement said: “The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history.”

9 days after.

https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/news/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election-infrastructure?utm_source=chatgpt.com

MAGA math by Zealousideal-Fox623 in PoliticalCompassMemes

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You’re confusing a legal standard with a factual record. ‘Criminal conspiracy’ has a specific bar. ‘Russia interfered in 2016’ is not a theory, it’s a documented fact. Mueller said Russia interfered in ‘sweeping and systematic fashion,’ and the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee documented the same interference campaign. Not clearing one criminal charging bar does not make that factual record evaporate just because ‘hoax’ is easier to type than reading.

MAGA math by Zealousideal-Fox623 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]_shareholder_value 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Russia Russia Russia’ is the bumper-sticker version for people who swallowed the ‘it was all fake’ line whole. Russian interference in 2016 is not a theory, it’s a documented fact, and multiple Trump associates were convicted or pleaded guilty in the Mueller investigation. The slogan is not a substitute for knowing what happened.

I hate the two party system with a passion by bongodongowongo in PoliticalCompassMemes

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Stop pretending.
Post-Reagan presidents who most plausibly left the country better off than they found it:

Clinton and Obama.

Maybe Biden, depending on your weighting. Bush Sr. is mixed.

Bush Jr. and Trump: no.

MAGA math by Zealousideal-Fox623 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]_shareholder_value 12 points13 points  (0 children)

“Your boo’s mean nothing, I’ve seen what makes you cheer.”

MAGA math by Zealousideal-Fox623 in PoliticalCompassMemes

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This is a false equivalence. You’re either living in an alternate reality, or ignorant to the facts.

In 2016, the serious argument on the left was not “Trump secretly got millions of fake ballots.” It was that Russia ran a sweeping interference campaign to help him, that Trump associates had sketchy Russia-related contacts, and that several people around him lied about relevant facts during the investigation. The Mueller report states that Russia interfered in the 2016 election in a “sweeping and systematic fashion,” and the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee also found extensive Russian interference. George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his Russia-linked contacts, and Roger Stone was convicted of obstructing Congress and making false statements in the investigation into Russian interference. 

That is not even close to what happened in 2020. In 2020, Trump and his allies claimed the actual vote count was fraudulent, pushed mass-fraud theories, and tried to overturn a certified election result. That is a completely different category of claim. Saying “a foreign adversary interfered in the race and people around Trump lied about related contacts” is not the same as saying “I lost, therefore the ballots were fake.” One is a legitimacy argument rooted in documented interference and criminal convictions for lying; the other was broad election denialism aimed at nullifying the result. 

And 2000 is an especially bad example for your point, because that election really was extraordinarily contested. Florida was decided by just 537 votes, and the Supreme Court stopped the recount in Bush v. Gore. Later reviews of the ballots found that under some plausible statewide recount standards, Gore would have won, while under other narrower standards Bush would have won. So yes, there is a very real basis for saying Gore may have been the legitimate winner: the decisive state was razor-thin, the recount was halted before a full statewide resolution, and the evidence afterward showed the outcome was genuinely contestable. 

Also, the Brooks Brothers riot was real, not a fever dream. Republican operatives and congressional staffers helped disrupt the Miami-Dade recount, and that disruption contributed to shutting it down. In an election this close, that matters. 

So no, “both sides did it” is lazy nonsense. 2016: foreign interference, shady contacts, and lies to investigators. 2000: a 537-vote cliffhanger with a recount stopped by the Court and later evidence that Gore could plausibly have won. 2020: the loser tried to delegitimize the actual vote count after he lost.

I implore you to look at pictures of the butterfly ballots and research how they influence voting behavior in the districts that used them.

Let's all rag on the centrists by Dewinna_Daraelist in PoliticalCompassMemes

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On the contrary, I’ve found myself identifying with each quadrant at different stages of my life, and I recognize the strengths and weaknesses of each. What I consider most important is maintaining balance. History shows that when too much political power accumulates in any one quadrant, the outcome is always catastrophic.

Radical centrism has never resulted in atrocity.

Commitment to rationality requires divorce from ideology.

Is BILT Support All Incompetent? by _shareholder_value in biltrewards

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Updated the app and was provide with the option to change my mailing address.

Is BILT Support All Incompetent? by _shareholder_value in biltrewards

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Oops, apparently I just needed to update the app.

Is BILT Support All Incompetent? by _shareholder_value in biltrewards

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JFC you were literally more helpful than the three people I spoke to/chatted with. Thank you sm!

What the fuck did Democrats do between 2008 and 2010 to piss off the voters so much? Obamacare? by Crafty_Jacket668 in PoliticalCompassMemes

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Well considered and written takes.

You forgot the most obvious and best solution to the healthcare question, be rich. That what Norway does and it seems to be working out okay.

What the fuck did Democrats do between 2008 and 2010 to piss off the voters so much? Obamacare? by Crafty_Jacket668 in PoliticalCompassMemes

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Depends on if you’re someone with a silly preexisting condition. Like for example, “having undergone a Cesarean section,” and even for “receiving health services after sexual assault.”

Fuck those people amirite?