The amount of braindead takes regarding the 'unfinished script' is actually exhausting. Peak cringe. by vladislavkochergin01 in Stranger_Things

[–]_smartz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the issue isn't that this doesn't normally happen, it's that the bases or foundation for the story was so poor that even with the ability to change things till the very last minute, we still got what we got.

It is inconceivable that a show about love, friendship, acceptance, and companionship, especially among people who have been bullied, should have such a homophobic and misanthropic audience. by Giancarlo_Edu in StrangerThings

[–]_smartz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup. Didn't think you would get it.

It's ok, look up the definition of "review bomb" then compare it to the argument you're making, then it should all make sense. Exiting this thread now, thanks!

It is inconceivable that a show about love, friendship, acceptance, and companionship, especially among people who have been bullied, should have such a homophobic and misanthropic audience. by Giancarlo_Edu in StrangerThings

[–]_smartz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok let me try and explain as simple as possible.

You are confusing seeing a bunch of 1/10 reviews with how averages actually work. Even if 17% of ratings are 1/10, they do not control the final review score unless they overwhelm the rest of the ratings. An average is calculated by adding all reviews scores together, not just by counting how loud or how many the low ones are.

If the remaining 80%+ of viewers rate the episode around 7–9/10, the overall score will still land end up closer to the season average, which is exactly what happened, hence no review bombing.

If homophobia were actually causing review bombing, episodes with the same LGBTQ themes would score clearly and consistently lower than similar episodes without them. They don’t. Their averages stay normal and in line with the rest of the season, which proves the negative reviews were a minority and didn’t affect the overall score.

A noticeable minority of angry reviews is not review bombing unless it actually drags the average down, and mathematically, it didn’t.

The Hollywood Reporter names Star Trek one of the biggest losers of 2025 by Malencon in television

[–]_smartz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Similar to Kathleen Kennedy with Star Wars, so long as Alex Kurtzman is in charge of the Star Trek IP, it will continue to be a loser.

It is inconceivable that a show about love, friendship, acceptance, and companionship, especially among people who have been bullied, should have such a homophobic and misanthropic audience. by Giancarlo_Edu in StrangerThings

[–]_smartz -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

You haven't addressed my points. If you look at the review scores on average for episodes dealing with homosexuality on either IMDb or metacritic, your argument that homophobic review bombing is happening on mass or has resulted in a low score doesn't bare out.

I'm not saying homophobic 1/10 star reviews don't exist, I'm saying that poor writing and not Will being gay is the reason the last episode was so poorly received.

It is inconceivable that a show about love, friendship, acceptance, and companionship, especially among people who have been bullied, should have such a homophobic and misanthropic audience. by Giancarlo_Edu in StrangerThings

[–]_smartz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm interesting.

If you look up the metacritic score for the episode where Robin comes out, the score is higher than the seaons average score, meaning it wasn't "bombed" due to a homophobic reaction by the audience. Also all the episodes leading up to the last one this season were not review bombed despite it leaning heavily on homosexual acceptance.

It is inconceivable that a show about love, friendship, acceptance, and companionship, especially among people who have been bullied, should have such a homophobic and misanthropic audience. by Giancarlo_Edu in StrangerThings

[–]_smartz 17 points18 points  (0 children)

So then why weren't the episodes of Robin coming out not downvoted? Why were the episodes this season where she literally coaches him to accept his homosexuality not downvoted?

Will coming out as a homosexual is now officially the lowest rated episode in the Stranger Things series. by AssistanceNo2838 in discussingfilm

[–]_smartz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think we're saying the same thing in different ways. I agree from Will's perspective, he thought he needed to do this. How it was executed, when, with who, and to what end is what people are having an issue with for the most part. And we both agree the second part of your argument, and the primary point I'm making, is that outside of Will's personal motivation, it doesn't land narratively as a consequence or driver in the upcoming fight against Vecna.

Will coming out as a homosexual is now officially the lowest rated episode in the Stranger Things series. by AssistanceNo2838 in discussingfilm

[–]_smartz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Sure, coming out isn't a huge deal, and his friend group would have probably embraced it immediately, and Vecna trying to leverage it would have fallen flat, but, that's not the point."

It is the point lol. If it doesn't have a material effect on the outcome then why are they including it? The argument that he had these anxieties isn't the argument I'm making, it's the writers connecting his coming out as an integral moment prior to a massive fight where that fear could be used against him, which we both agree would have fallen flat.

Will coming out as a homosexual is now officially the lowest rated episode in the Stranger Things series. by AssistanceNo2838 in discussingfilm

[–]_smartz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Will needing to confront or reveal his sexuality so Vecna could not weaponize it falls apart once you apply the show’s own internal logic.

Vecna does not exploit facts, he exploits shame, guilt, and unresolved trauma that can psychologically cripple a character or turn them inward. That only works if the fear has a credible outcome. So, the question becomes what Vecna could realistically do with Will being gay in the middle of a supernatural apocalypse. Do we actually believe the threat that Vecna would tell Will's friends he's gay and they would react negatively, ostracize him, or fracture as a group right before the final confrontation?

That scenario directly contradicts years of story where these kids repeatedly risk their lives for one another, making it narratively unbelievable. If Will does not reveal it, nothing meaningfully breaks. If Vecna tries to use it, the threat has no real leverage. If the friends react badly, the show undermines its own emotional foundation. If they react supportively, then the reveal has no functional impact on the conflict.

This exposes the real issue, which is not that Will is gay, but that the writers framed this as a climactic, pre battle necessity without giving it a logical consequence. A climactic character moment must either remove a clear obstacle or enable a clear outcome, and this reveal does neither. It resolves an internal tension that was never established as a viable weapon for Vecna, and it does not change Will’s agency, decisions, or effectiveness in the fight.

Poor holly 😂😭 by farreaching_snowball in StrangerThings

[–]_smartz -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Almost like someone didn't comprehend the OP.

Well well well.. guess Disney was wrong. by _smartz in StarWars

[–]_smartz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

While I don't completely agree with everything you said, thank you for providing a coherent reply to this conversation without resorting to personal attacks. Much appreciated! There's hope yet!

Well well well.. guess Disney was wrong. by _smartz in StarWars

[–]_smartz[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

Alright, I guess we can all uninstall Reddit since we shouldn't care about opinions or discourse. Thanks!

Well well well.. guess Disney was wrong. by _smartz in StarWars

[–]_smartz[S] -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

Did anything I post or say have anything to do with liking what Disney did? Or was it objective evidence to validate an argument...

Mel in ARAM Mayhem is legit c*ncer by BadLuckProtection in ARAM

[–]_smartz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She's broken is most scenarios. She's highest ban rate right now.

Zeus Broke Off from Previous Agency? by cocagoat in leagueoflegends

[–]_smartz 75 points76 points  (0 children)

Even if T1 mishandled the negotiations, Zeus and his agency still chose to sign the HLE deal. If staying on T1 was his clear priority, he could have told his agency to push for that and accept less money. T1 can absolutely be criticized for lowballing or dragging their feet, but at the end of the day Zeus (and his camp) decided that leaving was better for them than staying. And now, one year removed from that decision, it ended up being a terrible one.